TC - Minutes 10-04-07ROSEMEAD TRAFFIC COMMISSION
OCTOBER 4, 2007
The meeting of the Rosemead Traffic Commission was called to order by Chairperson Knapp
at 7:00 p.m., in the Council Chambers, 8838 East Valley Boulevard, Rosemead.
PLEDGE OF ALLIGIANCE Commissioner Gay
INVOCATION Chairperson Knapp
ROLL CALL
Present: Commissioners Knapp, Masuda, Gay, and Chin
Excused Absence: Commissioner Hunter
1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Chairperson Chin requested that page 4, 5th paragraph, 2nd line: "going to..." be
amended to read "going through..." Also, paragraph 6 of page 4 be amended by
adding to the last sentence the following verbiage: .....including traffic calming
measures and working with the schools to find ways to modify driver behavior."
It was moved by Commissioner Masuda, seconded by Commissioner Chin, and carried
unanimously to accept and approve the amended minutes of the July 5, 2007, meeting.
Vote Results:
Yes: Chairperson Knapp, Commissioner Masuda, Commissioner Gay,
Commissioner Chin
Noes: None
Absent: Commissioner Hunter
Abstained: None
2. PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE
Speaking before the Commission:
Nancy Eng
3146 Jackson Ave.
Rosemead, CA 91770
Thanked all Commissioners on behalf of residents of the 3100 block of Jackson Avenue
as well as parents of students at Emerson for support of Jackson Avenue/Whitmore
Street crosswalk.
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Discussion followed regarding distribution of written materials from schools to parents
reminding them that caution must still be exercised by the children when crossing in a
crosswalk.
Commissioner Gay stated that at the last Council meeting he did discuss the matter with
Mr. Bob Bruesch who is passing it on to the superintendent of the school district.
Speaking before the Commission
Jim Flournoy
8655 Landis View Lane
Rosemead, CA 91770
Mr. Flournoy asked about traffic problems at Del Mar and Graves and if those issues
will come before the Traffic Commission.
Chairperson Knapp indicated the traffic signal modification was brought before the
Traffic Commission and City Council approved the modification, and then the school
closed. .
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki responded that with regard to left turns from Del Mar
onto Graves, this was brought to the Commission and a study was conducted. That
particular intersection is shared with Los Angeles County so they also had to review the
plans. She believes that review just about complete. The project has been funded from
the City's perspective. This traffic signal will be modified in the future.
3. OLD BUSINESS - NONE
4. NEW BUSINESS
A. REQUEST TO MODIFY LANE CONFIGURATION FOR WESTBOUND SAN
GABRIEL BOULEVARD AT GARDEN GROVE AVENUE.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki presented the staff report and study findings.
RECOMMENDATION
It is staff's recommendation that no striping or traffic signal modifications be made to the
intersection of San Gabriel Boulevard and Walnut Grove Avenue.
Commissioner Masuda asked about the benefit of painting "right turn only" on the street
surface of the two westbound right-hand turn lanes. Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki
responded it might be beneficial and something like that could be done. She noted that
Caltrans seems to be doing it now on the freeway
Chairperson Knapp requested that this be a added to staffs recommendation.
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Commissioner Masuda asked about modifying the signal delay for vehicles exiting the
freeway so traffic would have time to clear the intersection so that vehicles turning right
would be able to access the two left lanes.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki responded that Caltrans controls that intersection. It
has been a difficult process getting this problem resolved but efforts will continue to
work with Caltrans to get the intersections to work better together. There was additional
discussion regarding Caltrans involvement in this issue and of the City's further
attempts to work with Caltrans.
Commissioner Chin directed an inquiry to the Lt. Jacob regarding additional
enforcement of a restricted westbound right-turn movement that would discourage
illegal through movement. She asked about the number of deputies on hand to address
something like this. Lt. Jacob responded there are three motor officers assigned to the
City of Rosemead, one of which is off because of injury. So there are presently two
motor officers and one traffic deputy'that is on 24 hours a day. It can be requested that
the motor officers patrol the specific area during peak traffic hours and see what they
come up with. The Commission requested that this be done.
Speaking before the Commission:
Jean DeCocker
8617 Landis View Lane
Rosemead, CA
Representing: Landis View Properties
Ms. DeCocker lives at the intersection and is very familiar with all the problems at the
intersection. The "left lane Walnut Grove" sign (between bridge and freeway) is too high
and difficult to see. When vehicles exit freeway there is constant lane movement,
seems they don't know where they are going. Major problem is southbound up the hill
and the light at San Gabriel Boulevard. It seems many drivers do not see the light in
front of them at Walnut Grove and Landis View but instead react to the light at San
Gabriel and Walnut Grove. She added that eastbound traffic at San Gabriel at Walnut
Grove see lights at ramp and sneak.
Chairperson Knapp wondered if a flashing red light would help.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki responded it would be a conflict of what the controls at
the intersection are supposed to do. Flashing red means vehicles should always stop..
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki stated when light was changed to LED it got a little too
bright so staff will go back and look at it again and see if it needs to be adjusted a
different way.
Chairperson Knapp inquired about a "keep clear" sign at Landis View on both sides of
the street. Following discussion, Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki was asked to add
"keep clear" signs to the staff recommendation.
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Speaking before the Commission:
Jim Flournoy
8655 Landis View Lane
Rosemead, CA
Representing: Landis View Civic Action Coalition
Regarding the southbound Walnut Grove issue, Mr. Flournoy suggested keeping gas
station on green to limit through traffic. He also suggested removing the park and
adding a right turn lane, or build a median to force a right turn. Real problem is traffic
not going through but cutting in and blocking right turn lane.
Speaking before the Commission:
Helen Gunther
3654 Dubonnet Avenue
Rosemead, CA
Expressed concerns re westbound San Gabriel Boulevard when the green light is on,
not being able to see the lights there.
There was discussion regarding the park and its use by the area's residents.
There was discussion regarding lowering of signal at Landis View. Deputy Traffic
Engineer Itagaki stated there is a clearance issue; signal head must be 17 feet above
the street.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki expressed concerns about adding something in the
middle of the street to limit through movements from right turn lane. Need to allow
movements from the left from San Gabriel onto Walnut Grove. There are some safety
issues involved. Anything in the middle of the intersection would have to be very
specifically designed. If Commission is inclined to do something like this, it is suggested
that they direct staff to do a detailed design.
Chairperson Knapp asked for motion for recommendation of Deputy Traffic Engineer
Itagaki with the additional items. Commissioner Masuda suggested this item be tabled
until staff has an opportunity to further review the many suggestions offered.
Commissioner Masuda moved, and Commissioner Gay seconded, that this item be
tabled until staff investigates the suggestions that were offered in this meeting to
improve the intersection.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki reviewed the list of specific items to be looked at: 1)
right turn only pavement markings; 2) possibility of "keep clear" at Landis View and
Walnut Grove; 3) review of the signal heads and their visibility or need to cover visibility
for southbound movements; 4) median in the intersection to limit through movements.
5) Also work with Caltrans and look at signage on San Gabriel. 6) The Lieutenant will
take care of additional enforcement.
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Vote Results:
Yes:
Chairperson Knapp,
Commissioner Masuda
Noes:
None.
Absent:
Commissioner Hunter
Abstained:
None
Commissioner Chin, Commissioner Gay,
B. REQUEST FOR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ON WALNUT GROVE AVENUE
BETWEEN HELLMAN AVENUE AND GARVEY AVENUE
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki presented the staff report and study findings.
RECOMMENDATION
It is staff's recommendation that the Traffic Commission recommends the City Council
approve the installation of "KEEP CLEAR" pavement markings, limit lines, and "DO
NOT BLOCK" intersection signs for northbound Walnut Grove Avenue at Dorothy
Street. It is staff's recommendation that the Traffic Commission recommends the City
Council not install a crosswalk on Walnut Grove Avenue at Dorothy Street.
Speaking before the Commission:
Robert Diaz
3326 Walnut Grove Avenue
Rosemead, CA
(626) 307-7828
Mr. Diaz expressed his concerns saying that basically it's the traffic. Changes by
Caltrans caused much delay in just trying to get home; resulting in him changing to a
round about-way to get home. Walnut Grove between Dorothy and Hellman is totally
congested in the evening. He also wondered why trucks are allowed on Walnut Grove?
And why buses? He would like to see trucks and buses eliminated from Walnut Grove.
The speed is unbelievable at the intersection, vehicles trying to make the light. His
concerns are traffic, speed, and his need to get home.
Chairperson Knapp commented from personal observation that if a truck driver turns left
onto Walnut Grove to get onto the freeway, he'll never do it again.
Speaking before the Commission:
Ed Avatefi
3316 Walnut Grove
Rosemead, CA
(626) 476-7329
Mr. Avatefi lives near the intersection of Walnut Grove and Dorothy. There are a lot of
accidents not reported. Regarding the left turn lane, because of traffic he'll go down the
street and make a u-turn, hopefully before Garvey. Option two is the left turn option at
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Dorothy, a very small street to come out of because of visibility. Re-direction can take a
long time, sometimes 10 minutes. There is pedestrian traffic; students cross at mid-
block. They're not walking to Hellman or Garvey to cross. Mr. Avatefi suggests in-
pavement lights crosswalk.
Chairperson Knapp stated she had received a letter and a phone call from two
individuals. She read a letter received from Mrs. Clem Leyva, 3101 North Walnut
Grove, Rosemead:
"Attention City of Rosemead Traffic Commission: I am responding to the notice I
received concerning the meeting to be held October 4, 2007, at 7:00 .p.m. As I
will be unable to attend I will express my comments as to improvements of the
mad traffic on Walnut Grove. Yes, something has to be done. 1) Speed limit
should be lowered. 2) Set up a limit on curb parking. 3) Families with more than
two cars should not monopolize the parking day or night. I hope you will take my
comments into consideration. Sincerely, Mrs. Clem Leyva."
Chairperson Knapp spoke with Lillian Sacco, who went to Willard School and whom she
has known for many many years. When Chairperson Knapp spoke with her, Ms. Sacco
said not to put .a lane in the middle because there's not enough footage, and there
would be no parking area on both sides. It would be disastrous for the residents.
Chairperson Knapp went on to express that she knows what all the speakers were
talking about. She knows how long those blocks are. She told of why she became
involved with the City of Rosemead, and that was because of a child's death while
cutting across Walnut Grove. Chairperson Knapp does not want to ever see any
children going across Walnut Grove Avenue. This was made clear when the gates
were shut. There is a crossing guard at Hellman, and most parents are walking their
children to school, and doing it correctly, on Garvey and on Hellman.
Mr. Diaz indicated the morning traffic speed along the street between Hellman and
Garvey is unbelievable, maybe because of its long distance without any type of traffic
control.
Commissioner Gay stated that from Hellman to Dorothy it is one-tenth of a mile. But the
distance up to Garvey is like six-tenths, or seven-tenths of a mile, almost a complete
mile. So people that are in between are really in a tough spot.
Mr. Diaz again expressed his opinion that there is no need for trucks to use Walnut
Grove. They could use Rosemead Boulevard and San Gabriel Boulevard; both are
wider streets with left-hand turn pockets.
Commissioner Masuda expressed his concern about putting a crosswalk there
especially if it's a four-lane, high speed highway.
Discussion followed regarding the "keep clear" zone and Lt. Jacob indicated that people
tend to be more aware that drivers are going to be making turn movements.
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Chairperson Knapp stated that for the most part she sees the "keep clear" sign on
Hellman doing what the signage is intended to do.
Commissioner Chin stated that one of the benefits of the Traffic Commission is that
great ideas come about and the Commission tries to delineate between what was
originally talked about. But the recommendation from the staff is definitely a go.
Commissioner Chin thanked Mr. Diaz and Mr. Avatefi for coming out to speak with the
Commission.
Commissioner Masuda asked about the visibility with parked cars, red curbing on
Walnut Grove at Dorothy. People living there would have an opportunity to speak to
that.
Mr. Diaz spoke with Ray Rodriguez in Public Safety and told him about that one issue.
Mr. Rodriguez did send somebody out and they painted the curb red, but it was really
not enough.
Mr. Diaz also stated that when the new configuration was done, the west side of Walnut
Grove was painted red but on the east side south of Hellman, they put up one "No
Parking" sign and they left the curb clean, and people are still parking there.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki pointed out that the northbound, left turn lane was
extended and some parking had to be removed to do that. The sign on the east side
does not mean the curb has to be red as well. Usually it's one or the other. Signs were
put up or red curb to prevent people from parking where they're not supposed to. The
reason red curb was added to the west side was because there was some existing red
curb and a certain portion of it was extended. On the east side there was no red curb
but there were just signs and it was just continued with signs. But that's something staff
can look at.
Mr. Diaz suggested a universal no parking sign be used. Deputy Traffic Engineer
Itagaki stated that could be done.
Commissioner Masuda asked if there is some kind of sign so that people would realize
that there is a street, Dorothy, coming out to Walnut Grove.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki responded there is a black on yellow diamond shaped
sign that shows a "T."
Mrs. Nancy Eng stated all number of signs could be put up but with the traffic that's
going on, people will not read them. She suggested that something is needed to literally
slow down the traffic. Signs alone will not slow down the traffic.
Discussion regarding signs and radar trailer continued.
Helen Gunther asked why the school signs and stop signs have not been replaced on
Marshall between Janson School and the bridge. They were knocked down about two
months ago. East of Janson School and west of the bridge for eastbound traffic.
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Chairperson Knapp stated the reflectors are almost all gone on Marshall curve.
Mr. Flournoy stated that southbound on Walnut Grove into the second drive into Wal-
Mart, there was a truck (semi) going into that driveway and the driver decided he
couldn't make the turn so he swung over to the left and then made the turn into the
driveway. When he did that he pushed the car in the second lane across the line into
the northbound oncoming traffic lane. Trucks should be able to make that turn without
having to go over into the second lane to make a right turn into that driveway. He asked
if the apron could be made wider.
Mr. Flournoy asked Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki if the southbound turn pocket
project will help the northbound problem?
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki responded she didn't know if it would help. To clarify
the question, Mr. Flournoy is referring to the extension or lengthening of the southbound
left-turn pocket on Walnut Grove at Hellman. Ms. Itagaki does not see it as helping in
the northbound direction, for the area that they're talking about.
Chairperson Knapp stated it will not help the northbound traffic, but it will help
southbound.
Mr. Flournoy asked for the Commission to consider in about two months public hearing
on trucks on Walnut Grove and then make a recommendation to City Council.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki stated the City is currently looking at updating its
Circulation Element and truck routes is part of that. She will make comment to the
Planning Department that that is a concern that has been brought up.
It was moved by Commissioner Chin, and seconded by Commissioner Gay, to accept
the recommendation of the staff to install "KEEP CLEAR" pavement markings, limit
lines, advanced intersection warning sign, and "DO NOT BLOCK" intersection signs for
northbound Walnut Grove Avenue at Dorothy, and to add advanced intersection
warning sign and extend/add red curb on west side of Walnut Grove north and south of
Dorothy.
Vote Results:
Yes:
Chairperson Knapp,
Commissioner Masuda
Noes:
None.
Absent:
Commissioner Hunter.
Abstained:
None.
Commissioner Chin, Commissioner Gay,
5. STAFF REPORTS
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki reported that City Council at its last meeting heard the
issue with regard to Jackson and Whitmore. Council was concerned with just putting a
crosswalk so they directed staff to actually come back with the exhibit to show it as a 3-
way stop with a crosswalk. That will be on the Council Tuesday.
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6. COMMISSIONER REPORTS
Commissioner Gay asked where the Committee is in regards to the locating of the
center divider lines on Encinita and that whole process.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki responded it was going to be done when the City
Engineer realized there was a red curb issue so that has to go to Council. Possibly
before them on Tuesday.
Commissioner Gay asked if that included the Bot dots/rumble strip.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki did not recall that as being part of the recommendation.
Reference was made to page 5 of the July 5m Meeting Minutes wherein Bot dots were
not included in the recommendation. It was discussed but not included in the
recommendation. It was suggested that the Commissioner bring it up at the Council
and have it added.
Commissioner Chin had a question about the scope of the Commission. With regard to
school drop-off and pickup in front of Sanchez and Temple School, what is the
Commission's scope when a problem is seen with the flow of traffic in front of school,
yet the school has not brought it to the attention of the Commission.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki responded that is something that can be worked on
jointly with the school district and the schools. In fact the Deputy Traffic Engineer and
City Engineer did meet with both principals of Sanchez-Temple because of some
improvements that had to do with the new gymnasium. They were going to provide
some information to help look at the situation but they never followed up.
Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki stated that just because it's a different entity, different
agency, if there is a concern it should be made known and then that concern can be
addressed with the school district. She stated that she knows there is a concern down
there because there is no curb and gutter. Attempts have been made to get grants to
install a curb and gutter with school area grants that are available, but those attempts
have not been successful to date.
Commissioner Chin expressed her concerns that all these streets that pretty much
dead-end into the school; create a lot of congestion. Two crossing guards have been
hit. The one they currently have has been there two weeks only. She seems to have a
pretty good handle on things but then you still feel as though the light on Walnut Grove
and Fern should allow a few more cars to go onto Walnut Grove. Perhaps the timing
could be changed on that. Deputy Traffic Engineer Itagaki will look at it.
Chairperson Knapp wondered if there will be a delay getting the southbound left turn
lane due to the events concerning the City Engineer. Deputy Traffic Engineer will
attempt to get an answer for the Chairperson.
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7. ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the Commission, the meeting is
adjourned until November 1, 2007, at 7:00 p.m.
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STATE OF CALIFORNIA )
COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES ) SS.
CITY OF ROSEMEAD )
I,,Gloria Molleda, City Clerk of the City of Rosemead, do hereby certify that the
Traffic Commission minutes from October 4, 2007, were duly and regularly approved
and adopted by the Rosemead Traffic Commission on the 1" of November 2007, by the
following vote to wit:
Yes: Gay, Knapp, Masuda, Chin,
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: Hunter
loria Molleda
City Clerk