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CC - 01-26-93E, APPROVED CITY OF ROSEMEAD MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING DAT -9-93 ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL BY JANUARY 26, 1993 The Regular Meeting of the Rosemead City council was called to order by Mayor Clark at 8:03 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California. The Pledge to the Flag was led by Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch. The Invocation was delivered by City Treasurer Foutz. ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS: Present: Councilmen McDonald, Taylor, Vasquez, Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch, and Mayor Clark Absent: None APPROVAL OF MINUTES: JANUARY 12, 1993 - REGULAR MEETING Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch requested that his question on Page 13 regarding the intent of Resolution No. 93-02 be answered as "...and was told that this would be left to the discretion of the City Manager." MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VASQUEZ that the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of January 12, 1993, be approved as amended. Vote resulted: Yes: Bruesch, No: None Absent: None Abstain: McDonald Taylor, Clark, Vasquez The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Resolutions were presented by the City Council to Patrick Ahhing and Matt Koffler in recognition of their athletic achievements at Rosemead High School which led to full scholarships at USC. I. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE A. Jay Imperial, spoke in reference to stop signs at Burton Ave. and Ramona and asked to be notified when the neighborhood meeting is scheduled. B. Jonnie Matsdorf, 4833 N. Willard Ave., invited all to the PTA Founders Day celebration on March 9, 1993, at 6:00 p.m. in the Shuey School Cafetorium. C. Robert Breen, invited all to the Boy Scout reunion on February 28, 1993, at the Boy Scout Hut. II. PUBLIC HEARINGS An explanation of the procedures for the conduct of public hearings was presented by the City Attorney. The City Clerk then administered the oath to all those persons wishing to address the Council on any public hearing item. A. A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN APPEAL OF A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION REGARDING A REQUEST FROM JESUS O. SOTO TO CONVERT AN EXISTING RECREATIONAL ROOM STRUCTURE TO A SECOND SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING, WITH SIDE-, REAR-, AND MINIMUM YARD SETBACK AND STRUCTURE SIZE DEFICIENCIES FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 8357 WHITMORE STREET, ROSEMEAD (ZV 92-244) The Mayor opened the public hearing. CC 1-26-93 Page #1 6 0 Jesus Soto, owner of 8357 Whitmore St., asked approval of this request, stating the house is too small for the number of his relatives that have to live there, now. Speaking in favor of this project were Mr. Soto's neighbors Manuel Rodriguez, 8334 Whitmore St.; Joanne Cuellar; and Rosie Webster. Holly Knapp, 8367 E. Whitmore St., expressed some concern with this project. Speaking in opposition was Jack Jackson, 8341 Whitmore St., who reported numerous problems with Mr. Soto's tenants and with the family, citing loud parties at Christmas and New Year's that required calling.the Sheriff's Department on both occasions. Mr. Jackson also stated that the garage appeared to be an illegal residential conversion. Speaking in rebuttal, Mr. Soto stated the garage was being for storage only and apologized for the loud parties. Jorge Aguilar, Mr. Soto's uncle, supported Mr. Soto's request for approval of this item. There being no one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed. Councilman Taylor warned Mr. Soto about having loud parties in the future. Councilman McDonald determined that the setback was the only problem hindering this project. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch.made a statement regarding the potential of illegal garage conversions by future owners of this property. Robert Kress, City Attorney, noted that a covenant will be recorded against this property regarding the conditions of approval should this request be granted. Mayor Clark was concerned with setting a precedent that would allow a two-foot setback and asked that this be continued for further information. Councilman Vasquez stated that Mr. Soto was showing goodwill and had agreed to the covenant. Mr. Vasquez added that each case should be considered on an individual basis. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCDONALD, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH that the Council approve this request, subject to conditions outlined in Exhibit A. Vote resulted: Yes: Bruesch, Taylor, Vasquez, McDonald No: None Absent: None Abstain: Clark The mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Mayor Clark stated she had abstained her vote because she wanted more information and that this item should have been continued. Councilman McDonald requested that the Council skip forward and consider Item CC-D from the Consent Calendar at this time. CC-D REQUEST FROM ROSEMEAD YOUTH ASSOCIATION TO INSTALL BATTING CAGES AT ROSEMEAD PARK MOTION BY COUNCILMAN McDONALD, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH that the Rosemead Youth Association be authorized to install two (2) batting cages and utilize City electrical outlets and power. Vote resulted: CC 1-26-93 Page #2 Yes: Bruesch, Taylor, Clark, Vasquez, McDonald No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. III.LEGISLATIVE A. RESOLUTION NO. 93-05 - CLAIMS & DEMANDS The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 93-05 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $357,216.12 NUMBERED 4864 THROUGH 5030 MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VASQUEZ that Resolution No. 93-05 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Bruesch, Taylor, Clark, Vasquez, McDonald No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. B. ORDINANCE NO. 723 - ADOPTION OF A WATER EFFICIENCY LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE FOR CERTAIN LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD - ADOPT The following ordinance was presented to the Council for adoption: ORDINANCE NO. 723 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ADOPTING A STATE-MANDATED ORDINANCE REQUIRING WATER EFFICIENT IRRIGATION FOR CERTAIN LANDSCAPING PROJECTS IN THE CITY MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VASQUEZ that Ordinance No. 723 be adopted.' Vote resulted: Yes: Bruesch, Taylor, Clark, Vasquez, McDonald No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. C. ORDINANCE NO. 724 - CHANGING THE OFFICE HOURS OF CITY HALL - ADOPT The following ordinance was presented to the Council for adoption: ORDINANCE NO. 724 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD CHANGING THE OFFICE HOURS OF CITY HALL AND AMENDING THE MUNICIPAL CODE VERBATIM DIALOGUE FOLLOWS: BRUESCH: Move the approval. CLARK: We have three requests to speak on this. First, is Jay Imperial. CC 1-26-93 Page #3 JAY IMPERIAL, no address given: Madam Mayor, Council. The reason I requested to speak on this is because I realize we're under a pinch right now as far as funds are concerned but I don't understand how this will resolve that problem. If you're going to work 10 hours a day for four days, that's still 40 hours. We're using all the utilities of the City. You're paying the same wages. The only thing it does do is give the employees three days off in succession each week. Maybe somebody can explain to me why this would help the City in a pinch as far as money is concerned. BRUESCH: Madam Mayor. Simply put, other cities of our size have attempted this and because of the one day off on Fridays, or Monday or whatever they had, they showed a decrease in utilities, about $20,000 and again, like we said last time, it's not set in concrete. If there is no savings, if there's an outcry from the people that they want that day back we can go back. To me, it does help meet the requirements of the AQMP and the trip reduction plan. It could show some benefit financially through utilities but again, if it doesn't show that benefit, that $20,000 or so, and if there's too many problems, we can go back. CLARK: I'd like to say something just to clarify that., When I was reading the Minutes, Mr. Bruesch, you mentioned $20,000 or $25,000 savings and I believe staff mentioned only $5,000 would be the ballpark maximum savings. BRUESCH: The figure that was given to me was $20,000. CLARK: Well, it was written in the staff report because I believe Laverne has saved that much but they are a different size or something. There's some different factor in there. TAYLOR: Madam Mayor. If I may, clarification. Also, what you're saying when the comment was made that other cities are doing it, in that report I believe there were five cities listed. Was it...I know E1 Monte was one. Staff, can you tell us what the other four were? JEFF STEWART, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT: Baldwin Park, La Verne, Pomona, Azusa, Duarte and recently Bell Gardens went to four days. TAYLOR: Okay. Well, there's 85 cities in LA County so keep it in perspective how many have done it. McDONALD: Madam Mayor. Well, all the cities that are feeling the crunch in the last two years, Gary, are moving toward that and there's a number of cities that have it on the agenda this year. Jay, you very well know the way our staff works here. These folks have been working 10 hours a day for ever. So, there's meetings on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday type of things that go on, so we were open 10 hours before so we're not using any more utilities than we had been before. All we're doing when we shut down on Friday, nobody's here because you don't find any of the City meetings, if you look at all the San Gabriel Valley Association of Cities, Contract Cities, the League and stuff like that is up to Thursday. Friday is wide open. So, the City of E1 Monte ran an extensive study on that and they believe they're going to save somewhere between $55-65,000 just in utilities alone. But you're pointing out that we still work 40 hours in four days, City Hall was open almost to 5:30 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. because these guys were doing their work anyhow so we're not using anymore utilities. IMPERIAL: You're talking about people that were on salary. I could come in here... all those years I served this City...I could come in here and I can see Don Wagner, I can see Frank, staff, Jeff. I can see these people in here after hours but normally, at 5:00 p.m., the place is closed and people are walking out the door. Now, my concern is this. I've heard that Baldwin Park and five other cities do it, I certainly can appreciate it that works for them, but my real concern is this City. And I think we ought to do some kind of report. You know, E1 Monte's got a report. Sure, that's a different population, different city. I think we ought to some kind of report on number 1, CC 1-26-93 Page #4 0 IMPERIAL CONTINUES: how this is going to benefit this City but primarily how it's going to benefit the people and the people who are trying to do business in here, the contractors and what have you and see how it's going to affect them. To take one more day away from them. What's the turn around on a permit now? PETER LYONS, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING: can just volunteer, we've talked to like the idea that they can come in possible because as you know if you contractors are waiting in line out just come straight to our counter. It depends on the permit but if I some of the contractors and they early in the morning, as early as 've been here at 8:00 a.m., the the door until we open and they TAYLOR: Madam Mayor. Speaking of contractors and such, that may be a valid point for one selective group and the time that we have, the hour before and the hour after, a lot of that is transit time for people still going to work. They don't have that free time. If they have to be at work at 7 a.m. or 8 a.m. most of that's travel time. Coming home in the afternoon, it's the same way. I had asked, I've got a note here, that I would like to have a list of the current hours, how the employees... it's simple enough, if they're working an 8-hour day, five days a week, but we have effectively eliminated 20% of the work days and incorporated it into four 10-hours. I'd like a schedule of a breakdown of all the employees such as if it's Parks and Recreation, the maintenance of the parks, the traffic control, the code enforcement, does it in fact happen that all of our full-time employees, that includes Parks and Recreation and such, service as far as what's going on in the parks in the community, I'd like a copy of how this is going to be implemented and the dates of when the employees are going to be working because there's a 20% reduction in service days. Somehow that's got to show up. McDONALD: Well, there's 20% increase on, the days that the people can get here later in day or they can get here earlier in the morning. TAYLOR: We just disagree on that. MCDONALD: Well, that's fine. I don't think we need to pull out these statistics because you don't particularly care for the program. I think Council can vote on that. TAYLOR: Wait a minute. I think it's only fair that we show what these schedules are going to be because there has been 20% of service days eliminated to the community. CLARK: I'm going to interject here. I'd like to ask Mr. Burbank what about the Parks and Rec staff? MICHAEL BURBANK, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION: We will continue to staff all five days and rotate on Monday and Friday. One of my supervisors will be here on Monday, she will be off on Friday. A different supervisor will rotate through that. CLARK: Would that person be in City Hall? BURBANK: No, at the different sites. CLARK: How many of our 35 employees are Parks and Recreation? BURBANK: My guess would be 20. CLARK: 20 of our full-time employees are Parks and Rec? BURBANK: My guess would be that. CLARK: So, we're only talking 15 people that are going to be... TAYLOR: No, he's saying that they will still have the four but they'll rotate the days which is... CC 1-26-93 Page #5 BURBANK: We would not cut services. We will just staff differently.; Instead of shutting down all of our operation on Friday, we will continue to operate... TAYLOR: Keep in mind that there's 20 employees working five days a week.. BURBANK: Half of the employees will be working four days. TAYLOR: What are they working right now? BURBANK: Five. 10 will work Monday through Thursday. TAYLOR: okay. Let me finish my train of thought. During the week, those five days, during the high time use of the parks, from 8 to 5, there would be 20 employees available. Is that correct the way it is now? BURBANK: That is the way you explained it. TAYLOR: Now, on Mondays there's only going to be 10 available because they're going to be working Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. BURBANK: What we've done is we've set down with my staff, had a number of meetings, and tried to pick the high usage days during the week. The slowest day that we have is Friday, so you will see five maintenance men here on Friday. You'll see 12 here the rest of,the week. TAYLOR: Okay. I'd just like that schedule broke down. It has to be worked out. DONALD J. WAGNER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER: Mr. Taylor. We are in the process of developing a program, I mean a staff plan to implement this 4-10. For example, to carry your concerns further, there will be Building Inspections on Friday. Although, the Building counter will not be open, building inspections will be scheduled Monday through Friday, as they always have. CLARK: But will they be coming in here to get plans? I mean staff. WAGNER: Yeah, I imagine the Building Inspectors will come in here and you know pick up their schedules or whatever it is they have to do before they go out in the field and maybe some of them won't. It just depends. CLARK: So, we will have the lights burning then. One of the cost savings was the utilities would not be on on Friday. We would save one-fifth of the utility cost. That was the whole point, I thought. WAGNER: That's true. When someone comes in here, they'll turn on the lights and when they leave, they turn them off. Just like on Saturday. CLARK: And you use more electricity with fluorescent lights, firing them up than you do leaving them on. I know that for a fact. So that's not going to be a savings if you're going to have people coming in and going out. WAGNER: Well, Margaret, I'll probably come in here on Fridays and turn the lights on in my office so I mean... CLARK: I'm trying to see where the savings is coming from. WAGNER: We feel there will be a major savings in the utilities because we're not going to have the air conditioner compressor turned on. The system won't be turned on. As you suggested we can analyze it, Jay, after_a four-month period. CC 1-26-93 Page #6 IMPERIAL: That's like a tax, Don. Once you inject a tax into the'.: community then that tax is going to stay there. You're going to play hell to get it out. All I'm asking for is to do your homework and come up with all the facts and figures that will say number one will this be a savings or not and will it impact onto the community at large and I'm primarily thinking about the citizens in this community and how will it affect them. Once you make that decision and with all these facts, that's up to you but I would go on record as saying I'm against this. I don't think it has anything to gain, a lot to lose. Thank you. CLARK: Thank you. BRUESCH: Just to reiterate a point that I brought out the other day. The first time I even mentioned this was a reaction to somebody coming up to me and asking me if the City Hall had Saturday hours and I said no they don't. Well, how does a working person ever get in there. I leave my house at about a quarter of eight in the morning and I don't get home until about 5:00 in the afternoon. I can never get into City Hall, I have to take time off. And that started my wheels thinking the AQMP and the trip reduction plan both ask cities to do this, well maybe this might be a way for not the contractors but people who live here who can't make it to City Hall to do the business unless they take a day off. I thought it was a very good way to kill about four birds with one stone. I for one if we're proven wrong that there isn't a savings,.that there's a massive outcry of the constituency, that they want that Friday day open, I'm willing to go back. The only thing is is that when we have our trip reduction plan and our clean air element installed in our planning document it's going to be a lot harder if we don't do these type of things. I've been working long on all these things. I've been going to the meetings for the last four or five years as these develop and this is the year that we have to have those elements in our planning document. Why not do some of these things now in preparation for that element because we have to do them. CLARK: I've been thinking about this a lot in the last two weeks and if we have 35 employees but 20 of them are Parks and Rec and going to different sites, they're not all coming to the same place anyway. Your trip reduction thing is people coming to one site and they want either stagger them or get them off the freeways or whatever but it doesn't seem to apply in our situation. BRUESCH: But the element states that if you have a trip reduction I mean a staggered hour or 4-10, that complies with AQMP. CLARK: But why can't we explain to them we only have 15 employees coming to the City Hall. BRUESCH: You have to do it in some way. If we don't do it in-this way then we have to find it another way. ROBERT L. KRESS, CITY ATTORNEY: And it may be that some of the contract employees count for those purposes. I think that's still to be decided. BRUESCH: You see this is one of the ways they suggest. If you don't take this you have to do it in another way. What other ways are there? There's other ways that are a lot more painful to our City. IMPERIAL: You say we have to do it in one way or another and I'd like to take into consideration when you think about that that you're thinking about your Dial-a-ride, your Shopper shuttle, where these people don't drive within this City. We have one bus that carries them. So, as far as I'm concerned that should meet the needs of AQMP even if that comes into the picture at this point. BRUESCH: It doesn't. CLARK: I have two more speakers. Mr. Angles. CC 1-26-93 Page #7 i 1 • ROBERT ANGLES, 9147 VALLEY BOULEVARD: It was very interesting hearing your discussion about this motion to adopt and I see that there is quite a bit of confusion on the Council. I have been told that one of the reasons for changing to a four-day workweek is to save some money. I feel Mr. Imperial said it quite well, forty hours is forty hours. I see the disarray about what a schedule is. I think that in regards to the motion that's before you is that I don't see how there can be any kind of a savings of any consequence. You're going to have problems paying for forty hours holidays, one thing and another. The single biggest thing that I see is that the residents of Rosemead are going to lose a day of service. I propose that you rethink, I'd like to see City Hall opened a half a day at least on Saturday, even if you're going to take off the regular work day. It might be something to consider because many people cannot come to transact business in the City Hall during your business hours. Many people don't get home until after 6 p.m. I have a couple of suggestions. We're going.to save some money. Now this is tax money that we're talking about. I have a recommendation. Number one is that the City Council cut its salary by 50%. I have number two that the City Council and the employees delete all members of their family not themselves, but all members of their family, from any type of City paid insurance. I think this will result in quite a savings. Noticing the honorable councilmembers it is to my knowledge that nobody is in business for themselves therefore if they are working, they are employees. So, and if they're over 62 certainly you're receiving social security benefits. It is my belief that the Council, that this is not a way of life. You are here to serve the City, to be responsive to the City but not necessarily to make a living since you all volunteered for the seats, not make a living off of your wages. Well, this is what I see. CLARK: You see somebody living off these wages? McDONALD: Mr. Angles, do you know that this City out of 51 cities is the lowest per capita amount of money spent for the services in the State of California? Do you know that in the same population as the City of Rosemead, is the lowest per capita for the services that are being provided. ANGLES: I'm glad. I believe that leadership requires leadership. I believe that the taxpayer and the residents cannot continue to pay, pay, pay. We have heard continuously these are bad times and certainly they are but I notice that it's just the Indians are the ones that going to be cut down not the leaders, not the Indian Chiefs and I take exception to that. I think we all have to pull together in a time of need and I don't believe the City Council or the employees or the staff or whatever should be exempt from making a sacrifice that we the citizens are being called on to do. I think you people earn your money but I also think many working people earn their money and they cannot keep coming up with more taxes, less services. We need you here. We need the City Hall open, I said, I think it should be open longer, at least on another day. We need your services. But you can't just keep cutting down on what the people are getting. McDONALD: You want to tell us what we're cutting down on? What you're not getting as far as service? ANGLES: Yes. One day of the week. McDONALD: We haven't even done that yet. ANGLES: Oh. Well, I see on the door there that you're notifying people that you're going to be closed as of March 1st. McDONALD: But what service are you losing? What service have you lost? ANGLES: The availability of coming to the City Hall on any given day and let's say any normal working day which normally is Monday through Friday. CC 1-26-93 Page #8 McDONALD: What other services have you lost, that we've been cutting back and cutting back? You want to elaborate on those. ANGLES: No. You're asking me certain things that I am not in a position to know. I do not have access... McDONALD: You just said that you're paying more and more and more, right? And you don't what you're paying more and more for? And you're accusing us of raising those costs? ANGLES: Yes. If you want to know what more and more is, it would have to do with cost of living, various little perks. McDONALD: Nobody got cost of living, no employees in the City of Rosemead got cost of living. BRUESCH: For two years we haven't had cost of living for employees. ANGLES: Okay. Fine. I'm glad of that. I haven't had a raise either. BRUESCH: Is that a sacrifice? Two years with no raises, no cost of living? ANGLES: Things are tough, aren't they? BRUESCH: Yeah. ANGLES: Okay, fine. I'm saying we all have to bite the bullet is what I'm trying to tell you. I'm not trying to attack each of you, I am trying to attack the system we have and it seems that the leaders are the last to make any sacrifice. You know, you're entitled. BRUESCH: I resent that, Mr. Angles. I've been hearing you saying that we don't sacrifice. I don't take this insurance in this City. I never have. ANGLES: Good. I was not aware of that so... BRUESCH: Then why do you say that? ANGLES: Then why do you take exception? .I don't know what your personal life is. I know that the City pays for insurance. Is that true or not? BRUESCH: Yes, for their employees but not for me, sir. ANGLES: If you do not get it all you have to say is Bob, I don't get any insurance. BRUESCH: If you talk in generalities get your facts straight. ANGLES: I would like very much to have some of the tax... CLARK: Excuse me. We need to get back to the issue which is whether we're going to close City Hall on Fridays. ANGLES: Ladies and gentlemen and councilpeople, you know where I stand. I think.we have to all look at ourselves not just you looking at us, is what I'm trying to tell you. We need your services. Thank you. CLARK: Mr. Nunez has a request to speak on this. JUAN NUNEZ, 2702 DEL MAR AVENUE: Maybe I don't know, this is just a suggestion, maybe you could stagger the days for staff. Some will work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday and others will work Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. CC 1-26-93 Page #9 • TAYLOR: That's what they're going to do, Mr. Nunez. Mr. Burbank already said that. You mean keep it open five days? NUNEZ: But he was only talking about the parks. TAYLOR: I'm sorry. You're correct. NUNEZ: In the City Hall, we will need somebody to get a hold at one time or another, maybe not me but I'm sure that some of the other people that live. in the City I don't know whether they bug the City as much as I do but I think that we have to have somebody to get in contact with if these days are going to be taken off when there's a holiday on a Monday, then instead of being three days, it's going to be four days and usually most of the holidays fall on Mondays. So, I think that the days should be staggered so there'll be somebody that we can get a hold of in City Hall and those people will want to trade off monthly and so they can get their days or whatever, that when I make a judgment on but I think because I've called the Sheriff's Department on some things that they say well we'll get to it or call City Hall. I can't call City Hall on a weekend and some things that I've had to call happen on a weekend so the same thing would happen on a day of the week if the hours are changed., So, as Jay and Robert mentioned, there are a lot of things that will come and we may not see them right now but and it will be we'll need somebody to talk to or get some kind of information. You know for a fact that I've called on animal control and how long does it take animal control to pick up an, animal. You've seen that. And I've come here to the Council and bring up my complaint to the Council and as I say if we can't get somebody in City Hall to act something that maybe I don't know whether these departments don't care about getting a citizens complaint or what. Sometimes maybe it does take somebody with a little bit more pull from City Hall to give these people a little shove and get onto it. So I think that but you have the vote and thank you. CLARK: Holly? HOLLY KNAPP, 8367 WHITMORE STREET: I didn't ask to speak but thank you for recognizing me. I'm sure that the staff put quite a bit of time, didn't you, into looking at this thing. I think that the idea of,having the hours extended for the four days is a really good idea for the sake of those contractors that need to come in. That's who you're dealing with on a daily basis here within the City. Since Parks and Recreation will be going for the five days and sometimes it's even six days because there's things that are planned in the City for Saturdays and Sundays and since most of the problems that occur, usually had to do with Parks, right, as Mike can attest to, my one suggestion would be that perhaps in an emergency situation whether you did it through the Sheriff's Department perhaps having an answering machine which I know we have but for that Friday where calls could be directed perhaps through to the Parks and Recreation. I assume that Mike is going to be working these Fridays or Mondays or he'll have supervisors under him. What I'm saying is that in some sort of an emergency situation that the calls could be referred to Mike and then he in turn would have someone, Jeff, Don or Frank, to cover for those weekends so you guys can't party all weekend, right? WAGNER: Let me assure you, Holly, the Friday that City Hall is closed will be like the Saturday and Sunday, they always get a hold of Frank, myself, Jeff. We always get 'a hold of Michael. Believe me, there's no problem with getting a hold of any of us: KNAPP: I know you guys can't plan too many long weekends. But that would be my only suggestion. WAGNER: You're saying then have another outside line open to the public on Friday? Is that what you're saying? KNAPP: Well, some sort of an answering machine that would tell them the new hours and for any emergencies. CC 1-26-93 Page #10 WAGNER: See, they can still get a hold of us, though. They can still call Temple Station. Temple Station will get a hold of Frank, myself, Michael, Jeff. KNAPP: In other words, they would assess the situation and then relay it to you. WAGNER: Like for example, the types of emergencies that we'll get related to the parks is the sprinkler line broke or something of that nature and we have a 24-hour maintenance man that handles that. TAYLOR: Where do the complaints go for the trash pickup or the sweeper or the broken water lines or just general City service? As far as the contractors, they're the bonus babies of this whole thing is what it sounds like. WAGNER: Those types of complaints, Mr. Taylor, would be handled from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. hours, those four days. TAYLOR: That's correct. But then for the next three days ...trash pickup goes on Saturday, when there's complaints... McDONALD: Consolidated published their number to call for any type of complaints you have against the trash people. TAYLOR: How many calls do we get at City Hall? STEWART: Three a week. KNAPP: I just wanted to show you have my support with just the idea of,having some sort of a backup system that the people are aware of. TAYLOR: You had a motion by Mr. Bruesch on this? CLARK: Bonnie would like to say something. BONNIE CULBERTSON, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE: I just want to let you know that anytime your line is busy or people can't get through because it's a holiday we get your calls. We will still be happy to handle city calls on Friday because we are not going to a 4-10 week. I'm very jealous you see but at no additional charge on our service contract. CLARK: I have a comment to make on this issue. I voted in favor of this two weeks when it came before us and it's partly my fault for not studying the staff report more carefully. The staff report said that there would be a $20-25,000 saving based on what other cities were getting. And it's not the staff report fault, I'm not faulting the staff at all. I assumed that that meant ours would be that kind of a savings and the staff has since told me that it would be in the neighborhood of $5,000 and the more I hear about it the more problem I have with it because if there are Parks and Rec people here, at least at other sites, and they come in, coming and going, and the Building Inspectors come and go I don't see that there's going to be even that $5,000 savings. The other thing was the trip reduction and now that I learn that 20 of our 35 staff is Parks and Rec, that doesn't have the same impact on me as it is 35. WAGNER: But we're only going to be working four days, though. BURBANK: There's 12 maintenance men on site. They will mostly be here Monday through Thursday. CLARK: So, there's no maintenance going on on Fridays? BURBANK: For the trip reduction they would all arrive at one spot at one time just like they do now. CLARK: Monday through Friday, they come here? WAGNER: They make four round trips. CC 1-26-93 Page #11 E n U BURBANK: They make four round trips instead of five. CLARK: What if we need something done on Friday, though? BURBANK: We will have maintenance men here on Fridays but there will only be four of them just to cover Zapopan, RCRC, Garvey and Rosemead. CLARK: That still doesn't, I mean I understand where you're coming from but it just doesn't... The other problem that I have is I don't want to see only 4/5 of the work going out. In other words, will we be serving only 4/5 of the people that want to in one week. I don't want the work delayed. If someone has something that they want done on their house for example and they are finally coming in to get the permit because the contractor's finished and they want an inspection, they're turned away on Friday and I want to be sure that we are not delaying them 20%. In other words, making them wait another extra day to get that job done. So, I and something happened this morning. My husband got an advertisement from an eye doctor that said 8 a.m. to such and such and he went in at 8:30 this morning to get a replacement contact lens for our son and the thing was posted on there, we're not open until 9 a.m. Well, he couldn't wait a half an hour but he came home furious and I realized that this is the reaction we're liable to get from a lot of residents that don't realize. They're going,to come in on Friday and boom, it's not open. So, I am just not going to vote in favor of this but just in case there are three votes for it which it looks like there might be I would like to if it goes along with the wishes of the Council that this be only until June and we evaluate it with the new budget coming to see what the actual savings are. I want to see the case loads of the, I discussed this with Frank this afternoon and he doesn't have a problem with this, of the way we can monitor how many people in the Building Department is by the sign-in sheets and we will be able to specifically tell how many people we've served in this period of time last year and this period of time this year. So, I want that to be carefully documented so that we see if we are in fact doing the same amount of work and I would prefer.'.. McDONALD: Madam Mayor. There's a difficulty with that. People are stopping doing developments. Right now, it's slowed way down so if you compare it against last year... CLARK: But last year wasn't much better. McDONALD: I could care less about the developers. I want to see how many citizens we're actually serving. CLARK: How do you propose to monitor that? I asked Frank this afternoon and he... McDONALD: Citizens. I could care less about the number of developers. They're going to have to come in when it's convenient for them. CLARK: Okay. But how are you going to monitor if you are serving the residents if they are in fact coming in here at 7 in the morning and at 6 at night? McDONALD: How were you going to compare it to since you don't have any statistics from last year? CLARK: I know. But I'm asking you how do you plan to see if this is really serving the community? If more people actually are coming in? McDONALD: Haven't we sent out the notices? Aren't the notices going out? Why don't we see just what the big hullabaloo that comes down and because people certainly they get this information in their trash bill. CLARK: But I'm asking you how are we going to monitor if this is actually serving the community better than when we're open five days a week. Let's develop some kind of criteria so when come in June are we going to say Josie said it was better but... CC 1-26-93 Page #12 • 0 McDONALD: The only thing you can do is check how many people come.in from the 7-8 a.m. and how many people come in after 5:00 p.m. because those are people that you wouldn't normally have because we close and if we are serving people in those hours and you don't have the citizens complaining... CLARK: Can we keep a log of people that come in on those hours? WAGNER: Yes. CLARK: Okay. McDONALD: ...then it's working. KRESS: Telephone calls. CLARK: Or telephone calls. WAGNER: We can monitor I mean it's easy I might beg your indulgence though if you want to go through June, then we want to look at the months of March, April, May and we wouldn't get the utility bills probably for May until the end.:of June, so it would probably be July before we could do a real analysis because I want to see what we're paying in utilities over that period of time. McDONALD: Well, let's just go through the end of the fiscal year which is June 30 and then we can... CLARK: I would like to throw out an alternative but I don't know if it will fly. I think Holly or someone mentioned the fact that we are open anyway on some of the week nights, Mondays for Planning Commission and Tuesdays for Council. And I'm wondering if we could achieve the same service to the residents which ultimately we're supposed to be trying is to give them a chance to come in after work or before work and if we extended the hours only on Monday since Planning commissions are on Monday, so you had the hours 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. let's say and then shaved off two hours on Friday which a lot of people do if you work downtown you're off Friday afternoon, 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. on Friday. Take the two hours from Friday and put it on Monday. KRESS: You're still going to have to comply with trip reduction. CLARK: Well, I'm not convinced that trip reduction is really going to solve anything in this size of a City. If AQMD comes down and says you have to do this next year then maybe I would be willing to study this again but I don't see that they made a mandate this year. I just have a problem with it. McDONALD: Madam Mayor. I'd like to move the adoption with the checking for the next four months, 7-8 a.m. citizens or people coming in and from 5-6 p.m. VASQUEZ: Madam Mayor. Before seconding that motion I'd like to say that I do respect every councilmember's decision here and your concern and opinion if you're voting no or yes and also from the audience but I think there's going to be some tough decisions we have to do. We don't know how the year 193's going to end and how 194's going to be but I'm.voting for it and I'm seconding it. BRUESCH: Again, I'll follow Mr. Vasquez in saying that having looked at the menu of strategies that cities are being asked to adopt in the AQMP this and other ones are pretty innocuous compared to some of the things that they're asking us to do and to me having something like this on our books already gives us a little bit of hedge against inflation if you know what I mean. I don't want us to be caught coming into June when we have to adopt some of these regulations not having done the preparation. TAYLOR: Call for the question. CC 1-26-93 Page #13 CLARK: It's been moved and seconded to adopt Yes: Bruesch, Vasquez, McDonald No: Taylor, Clark Absent: None Abstain: None 0 Please vote. CLARK: Just for the record to go with the Minutes of last time, I'd like this item verbatim. TAYLOR: Madam Mayor. I'd like the record to show my no vote is pretty well detailed in the last meeting as far as the minutes are concerned. END VERBATIM DIALOGUE D. ORDINANCE NO. 725 - IMPOSING AN INFRACTION PENALTY FOR VIOLATION OF THE CITY'S GARAGE SALE REGULATIONS - INTRI The following ordinance was presented to the Council for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 725 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD IMPOSING A PENALTY FOR VIOLATION OF THE CITY'S GARAGE SALE REGULATIONS Councilman Taylor expressed the opinion that the fee for the first offense was excessive. Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar"Avenue, agreed that persons who violate the ordinance should be penalized. MOTION BY McDONALD, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH that Ordinance No. 725 be introduced on its first reading and that reading in full be waived. Vote resulted: Yes: Bruesch, Clark, Vasquez, McDonald No: Taylor Absent: None Abstain: None. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Taylor stated that he was in favor of this ordinance but that the fee for a first offense was excessive. E. ORDINANCE NO. 726 - AMENDING REGULATIONS REGARDING SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL - INTRODUCE The following ordinance was presented to the Council for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 726 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD AMENDING THE REGULATIONS REGARDING SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL Councilman Taylor requested that this ordinance be deferred to allow the amendment to specify that any roll-off bins used in the City must be obtained from the City's franchise trash hauler. There being no objection, this was so ordered. Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar Avenue, stated that a resident should be able to choose the cheapest method of trash removal available. Note: CC-D was handled at the beginning of the meeting. CC 1-26-93 Page #14 • IV. CONSENT CALENDAR (CC-B AND CC-E REMOVED FOR DISCUSSION) CC-A ENGINEERING PROPOSAL FOR TEMPLE CITY BOULEVARD RESURFACING AND TRAFFIC SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS AT INTERSECTION OF TEMPLE CITY BOULEVARD AND LOFTUS DRIVE CC-C AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND THE CALIFORNIA PARRS AND RECREATION SOCIETY CONFERENCE IN SAN FRANCISCO, LARCH 11-14, 1993 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY MAYOR CLARK that the foregoing items on the Consent Calendar be approved. Vote resulted: Yes: Bruesch, Taylor, Clark, Vasquez, McDonald No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. CC-B RENEWAL OF MEMBERSHIP IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WATER COMMITTEE INC. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch expressed the opinion that there is no need for the City to continue this membership at this time. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VASQUEZ that the City terminate this membership. Vote resulted: Yes: Bruesch, Taylor, Clark, Vasquez, McDonald No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. CC-E 1993 - FOURTH OF JULY/CITY ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION AND APPROVAL OF CONTRACT WITH J.A. BLASH SHOWS, INC. Holly Knapp reported on the parade preparations as of this date and stated the cost to the City should be about $7,000 and was in favor of charging admission to the Park on July 4, 1993, to help offset the cost of the day's activities. Councilman McDonald noted that no funds were budgeted for this parade and staff was directed to prepare a budget and present it on a future agenda. Councilman Taylor was concerned with the enforcement of the admission fees at the gates on the 4th and how the public will be made aware that such a fee will be charged. Michael Burbank, Director of Parks and Recreation, stated that staff is placed at the four gates used to enter the Park on the 4th and hand-stamps will be used. Mr. Burbank added that all advertising, including flyers and signs, will stress the fact that a fee is being charged. Mayor Clark proposed that the fee be waived for Rosemead residents but after some discussion, it was decided that there was no reasonable method to implement this suggestion. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MCDONALD, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VASQUEZ that the Council authorize the execution of the agreement by the Mayor and authorize the $3.00 admission charge for adults on July 4, 1993. Vote resulted: Yes: Bruesch, Taylor, Vasquez, McDonald No: Clark -Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. CC 1-26-93 Page #15 • 0 Mayor Clark requested that the residents be notified in the next Newsletter that a $3.00 fee per adult will be charged for entrance to the Park on July 4, 1993. V. MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION & ACTION A. FENCING OF THE DINSMOOR HOUSE VERBATIM DIALOGUE FOLLOWS: TAYLOR: Madam Mayor. I asked that this be put back on the agenda because I'd been aware of three incidents as far as it's a matter of liability now to the City. There is no main supervision of what goes on in that backyard and there's a fish pond in the back that's open and exposed for small children if they get back there, if there's God forbid that if somebody falls in that pond there. One of the last incidents we had was I was called to come up and there was a disturbance at one of the houses and I went across the street and looked over and there was two young boys there, gangmembers, and a young girl also, 15-16 years old. They were drinking beer and wine in that yard and I think we have to make a reasonable effort to close off the property so we're not held liable for it. I don't see a problem with a fence being there. It doesn't have to be a block wall. They've got wrought iron between the house and the garage and I think we could put a wrought iron. We're just open to so much liability and the fact that things do go on there. The residents brought it to my attention and they told me the number of times that it had been going on so it's not just a fluke or a one-time deal. I think we need to do this just for the liability end of it. •MCDONALD: Well, I would wish we would save up enough money to have it an attractive fence with maybe wrought iron... TAYLOR: Well, this is what I'm saying. You can make the wrought iron, whatever they were going to use between the house and the garage, Dennis, of course it should be the same. It doesn't have to be a $4,000 block wall. What is it, 20 feet? WAGNER: What's the dimensions on that, Michael? TAYLOR: It's on here. But the other suggestion... WAGNER: You know, that slump stone with the... TAYLOR: It's 23 feet. But I'd also like to make another recommendation that if there's functions going on in the back yard, utilize that and move the gate from the back of the garage or the fence to the front of the garage and then you could utilize the backyard for any functions you want. If you put it at the back of the garage it appears you've got an alcove that's really not going to be usable. But again I think it needs to be some type of a security fence there. BRUESCH: The reason why the wall is at the back of the garage is because you create a little unseen cubby hole there if it's in front of the garage. McDONALD: Don't you have anything to say on this, Juan? I move to approve the fence and maybe you can come back with I move to approve the fence. TAYLOR: I'll second the motion. As far as whether it be wrought iron or... BRUESCH: Madam Mayor. The comment was made by a staff member that would this create a hindrance to accessibility by the public? McDONALD: We're just going to make it an attractive fence around the area. It shouldn't be any... CC 1-26-93 Page #16 0 • BRUESCH: In other words, would the Dinsmoor House and lawn and like that be less accessible by families who wanted to say picnic in the backyard because of this fence. TAYLOR: Madam Mayor. Anybody using that backyard should go through the caretaker. Nobody should be free to arbitrarily go back in there and use that again, from a liability standpoint, and from the caretaker's standpoint. That's how these kids were getting back in there. As far as who goes in unknowing and has functions in that... that's not what yard was designed for. BRUESCH: Gary, who is the caretaker, anyhow? Is there a caretaker in that immediate area? TAYLOR: Doesn't someone live in the house? BRUESCH: No. WAGNER: Really, the person who can address that is our City Treasurer, Hugh Foutz. He had to leave early. BRUESCH: No, nobody lives in that house. It's closed up tighter than a drum. I've been there many times, trying to get in and it's closed up tighter than a drum most of the time. You have to call ahead in order to get accessibility. All I'm saying is that this wall and gate they would be...the gate would be locked, am I correct? At all times? So, what you're doing is closing off that whole area there except on those days where there is accessibility granted by the caretaker or the historical society or whoever. CLARK: My problem with the wall is that the kids are going to get in anyway. They're going to fin, I'd rather if there's a liability, I'd rather see removed. I think this is an expenditure, $4,000, maybe cancelling a parade for $7,000. I think we little more and maybe give our Treasurer a little that are abusing it i a way to get and the fishpond we're talking about need to study this a bit more input. McDONALD: We've enclosed some of the parks that we've had problems with people and only let them in certain hours. CLARK: I realize that. I'd like to defer this until our Treasurer is able to give us some more input on this. TAYLOR: Madam Mayor. I'd like this in the Minutes verbatim. CLARK: We did vote this down in the Redevelopment Agency. You remember that? TAYLOR: Yes, and I asked that it be put back on the City Council agenda specifically for that purpose of liability and you have your option but I'd like it in the Minutes verbatim that there has been activity over there that we need to protect ourselves against. This is fact, it's not theory of how many people may come in for a picnic or such. There is a distinct liability where as I said the occurrences have happened and once the residents know and again that was brought to my attention, that was the reason I went up there and looked at it. I hope nothing happens but the potential is there. So, what was your ...you asked for it to be deferred? CLARK: I would like to but I think we have a motion already. BRUESCH: There's a motion. TAYLOR: I'm sorry. The motion and the second was...? McDONALD: To approve some sort of fencing... TAYLOR: Okay. Call for the question. Vote taken from voting slip as follows: CC 1-26-93 Page #17 Yes: Taylor, McDonald No: Bruesch, Clark, Vasquez Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion defeated and so ordered. VI. STATUS REPORTS - None VII. MATTERS FROM OFFICIALS - None There being no further action to be taken at this time the meeting was adjourned at 10:43 p.m. in memory of Mildred Janson. The next regular meeting is scheduled for February 9, 1993, at 8:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted: APPROVED: ty Clerk MAYO. CC 1-26-93 Page #18