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CC - 09-11-90• APPROVED CITY OF ROSE'.MEAD MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING DATE 10- ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL SEPTEMBER 11, 1990 RY The Regular Meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called to order by Mayor McDonald at 8:01 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California. The Pledge to the Flag was led by Councilman Bruesch. The Invocation was delivered by Pastor Charlie Corum of the Olive Branch Outreach. ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS: Present: Councilmen Bruesch, Imperial, Taylor, and Mayor McDonald Absent: Mayor Pro Tem DeCocker APPROVAL OF MINUTES: AUGUST 14, 1990 - REGULAR MEETING MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL that the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of August 14, 1990, be approved as submitted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: AUGUST 28, 1990 - REGULAR MEETING MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of August 28, 1990, be approved as submitted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. A proclamation was presented by the Council to West San Gabriel Valley Consortium naming August 27-September 3, 1990 as "NATIONAL JOB TRAINING PARTNERSHIP TRAINING ACT ALUMNI WEEK." A second proclamation was presented by the Council to Bonnie Culbertson, Executive Vice-President/CEO of the Rosemead Chamber of Commerce, in honor of her many years of service to the Rosemead community. The Council presented a cake and gift to City Manager Frank Tripepi in honor of his birthday. 1. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE A. Mark Mayemura, representing the Southern California Rapid Transit District, solicited the Council's support and ideas for solutions to the traffic congestion in Los Angeles County. B. Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar Avenue, reported a transient sleeping in an abandoned Winchell's Donut shop located on the corner of Del Mar and Garvey Avenues. II. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ORDINANCE NO. 668 AMENDING THE ROSEMEAD MUNICIPAL CODE TO PROVIDE REGULATIONS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF OAK TREES CC 9-11-90 Page #1 The Mayor opened the public hearing. 1. Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar Avenue, was concerned with the expense of maintaining the trees and who would have to pay for the licensed abortionist. 2. Dolly Leong, 9554 E. Ralph Street, asked if the property owner would be liable should a tenant damage one of the protected trees. There being no one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed. The following ordinance was presented to the Council for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 668 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD AMENDING ARTICLE IX, PART XXIII, OF THE ROSEMEAD MUNICIPAL CODE TO PROVIDE REGULATIONS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF OAK TREES Councilman Taylor stated that while he supported the concept of this ordinance, he was opposed to the severity of the restrictions. Mr. Taylor suggested that Section 9130.1(d) be changed from 17" circumference to 12" diameter; Section 9130.3(a)(1) 9" in circumference changed to 9" in diameter; and a simpler review process. Councilman Imperial preferred keeping the ordinance as simple as possible. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that ordinance No. 668 be tabled. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, Imperial No: McDonald, Bruesch Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY MAYOR McDONALD that Ordinance No. 668 be returned to the Planning Department for redrafting. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch No: Imperial Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Bruesch requested that when the ordinance is returned it should include a list of all cities in the area that have adopted similar tree preservation ordinances. III.LEGISLATIVE A. ORDINANCE NO. 667 - APPROVING A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM R-3 TO P-D FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 8723-8739 MISSION DRIVE - ADOPT The following ordinance was presented to the Council for adoption. ORDINANCE NO. 667 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD APPROVING A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM R-3 TO P-D FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 8723-8739 MISSION DRIVE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that Ordinance No. 667 be adopted. Vote resulted: CC 9-11-90 Page #2 Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch No: Imperial Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Chairman declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. B. RESOLUTION NO. 90-49 - CLAIMS & DEMANDS - FY 1989-90 The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 90-49 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $40,282.66 NUMBERED 30661-30676, 31895-31896, 31899, AND 31932-31933 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that Resolution No. 90-49 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. C. RESOLUTION NO. 90-50 - CLAIMS & DEMANDS - FY 1990-91 The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION N. 90-50 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $556,252.74 NUMBERED 30560-30657, 31875, 31893-31894, 31897-31898 AND 31900 THROUGH 31931 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that Resolution No. 90-50 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Chairman declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. D. RESOLUTION NO. 90-51 - AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING THE USE OF $190,000 FROM FUTURE YEARS FAU APPORTIONMENTS FOR THE MISSION/WALNUT GROVE STORM DRAIN The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 90-51 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD, CALIFORNIA, AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING THE USE OF $190,000 FROM FUTURE YEARS FAU APPORTIONMENTS FOR THE MISSION/WALNUT GROVE STORM DRAIN MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that Resolution No. 90-51 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None cc 9-11-90 Page #3 The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. E_ RESOLUTION NO. 90-52 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD CONSENTING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PORTION OF GARVEY AVENUE/RAMONA ROAD FROM WESTMINSTER AVENUE TO POTRERO AVENUE WITHIN SAID CITY AS A PART OF THE SYSTEM OF HIGHWAYS OF THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 90-52 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD, CALIFORNIA, CONSENTING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PORTION OF GARVEY AVENUE/RAMONA ROAD FROM WESTMINSTER AVENUE TO POTRERO AVENUE WITHIN SAID CITY AS A PART OF THE SYSTEM HIGHWAYS OF THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY MAYOR McDONALD that Resolution No. 90-52 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. F. RESOLUTION NO. 90-53 - ALLOWING REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY PAYMENT FOR STREET AND STORM DRAIN IMPROVEMENTS IN ROSEMEAD PLACE (GARVEY/NORTH OF HERSHEY) The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 90-53 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD MAKING CERTAIN FINDINGS AND DETERMINATIONS WITH RESPECT TO REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY PAYMENT FOR STREET AND STORM DRAIN IMPROVEMENTS IN ROSEMEAD PLACE FROM GARVEY AVENUE TO FOUR-HUNDRED FEET (400') NORTH OF HERSHEY STREET MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL that Resolution no. 90-53 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. G. RESOLUTION NO. 90-54 - CLAIMS & DEMANDS FY 1990-91 The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 90-54 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $276,146.89 NUMBERED 30680 THROUGH 30799 AND 31934 THROUGH 31953 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that Resolution No. 90-54 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None cc 9-11-90 Page #4 E 0 The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. H. ORDINANCE NO. 669 - ADOPTING BY REFERENCE REVISION TO LOS ANGELES COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCE - INTRODUCE AND SCHEDULE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 9, 1990 The following ordinance was presented to the Council for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 669 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ADOPTING, BY REFERENCE, LOS ANGELES COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL AND CARE REGULATIONS MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY MAYOR McDONALD that Ordinance No. 669 be introduced on its first reading, that reading in full be waived, and that a public hearing be scheduled for October 9, 1990 at 8:00 p.m. in this room. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Bruesch requested clarification of the new office hours. Councilman Taylor requested clarification of the fines and punishments for violation of this ordinance. Mr. Taylor also requested that, staff obtain an alternate proposal from the San Gabriel Valley Humane Society to provide animal care services. I. ORDINANCE NO. 670 - SETTING COUNCIL SALARIES - The following ordinance was presented to the Council for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 670 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD SETTING CITY COUNCIL SALARIES MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL that ordinance No. 670 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Imperial No: Bruesch Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Bruesch stated that in view of cutbacks from the State, it was unwise to accept a salary increase at this time. J. ORDINANCE NO. 671 - ADOPTING LOS ANGELES COUNTY BUILDING, PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL CODES - INTRODUCE AND SCHEDULE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 9, 1990 The following ordinance was presented to the Council for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 671 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ADOPTING BY REFERENCE, THE UNIFORM BUILDING CODE, 1988 EDITION, CONTAINED IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY TITLE 26; THE UNIFORM PLUMBING CODE, 1988 EDITION, CONTAINED IN FOR LOS ANGELES COUNTY TITLE 28) AND THE UNIFORM MECHANICAL CODE, 1988 EDITION, CONTAINED IN FOR LOS ANGELES COUNTY TITLE 29 CC 9-11-90 Page #5 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL that Ordinance No. 671 be introduced on its first reading, that reading in full be waived and that a public hearing be scheduled for October 9, 1990 at 8:00 p.m. in this room. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Taylor requested a copy of the actual changes to the Codes. R. ORDINANCE NO. 672 - GRANTING AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS TO THE CITY'S CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS - INTRODUCE This item was deferred for more information including a detailed explanation of the current procedures and an opinion on the City's liability position regarding staff issuing citations. L. ORDINANCE NO. 673 - AN URGENCY ORDINANCE PROHIBITING NOISE DISTURBANCES AND PROVIDING FOR THE ABATEMENT AND ASSESSMENT OF COSTS ON ACCOUNT OF SUCH NOISE DISTURBANCES - ADOPT The following ordinance was presented to the Council for adoption on an urgency basis: ORDINANCE NO. 673 AN URGENCY ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD PROHIBITING NOISE DISTURBANCES AND PROVIDING FOR THE ABATEMENT AND ASSESSMENT OF COSTS ON ACCOUNT OF SUCH NOISE DISTRUBANCES Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar Avenue, expressed gratitude for this ordinance. Anthony Jaime, 3118-20 N. Isabel Avenue, asked that discretion be used in the enforcement of this ordinance. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that Urgency Ordinance No. 673 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. A five-minute recess was called at 9:20 p.m. and the meeting was reconvened accordingly. IV. CONSENT CALENDAR (CC-A REMOVED FOR DISCUSSION) CC-B REQUEST FOR TO SHERIFF'S YOUTH FOUNDATION CC-C REQUEST FROM GARVEY COUNCIL PTA FOR REFUND OF CARNIVAL PERMIT FEES CC-D AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT OFFICIALS - 1990 NATIONAL CONFERENCE, OCTOBER 7-10, 1990, MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA CC-E AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND 92ND ANNUAL LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES CONFERENCE, OCTOBER 21-24, 1990, ANAHEIM CONVENTI1 CENTER CC 9-11-90 Page 16 CC-F AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND CALIFORNIA CLEAN AIR AND NEW TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE, LOS ANGELES, OCTOBER 15-17, 1990 CC-G ENGINEERING PROPOSAL FOR STREET AND LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENT IN VALLEY BOULEVARD (MUSCATEL/LOMA) AND CONCRETE REPAIRS ON VARIOUS CITY STREETS MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that the foregoing items on the Consent Calendar be approved. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. CC-A AMENDMENT TO SPEED SURVEY WALNUT GROVE AVENUE (RUSH/SAN GABRIEL) Councilman Taylor verified that the speed limit signs would be moved to a location north of Rush Street. Councilman Bruesch questioned the methodology used to determine the speed limit. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY MAYOR McDONALD that the Council approve the recommendation. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. V. MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION & ACTION A. MODERN SERVICE RATE INCREASE No action was required on this item. Councilman Bruesch asked that the Council be provided with a copy of the new bill, showing the total amount, the amount of the subsidy and the amount that the resident must pay. B. BUDGET REQUESTS - ROSEMEAD BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, GREATER EL MONTE GIRLS CLUB, WEST SAN GABRIEL VALLEY FAMILY COUNSELING, AND ASIAN PACIFIC FAMILY COUNSELING VERBATIM DIALOGUE FOLLOWS: McDONALD: We have discussed this in previous meetings and the sheets that you have in front of you, the summary sheets, shows the amounts of monies that have been appropriated in the past. When this first came up last time and we had a good discussion on it and Gary made some fairly salient points that I thought were important. At that time I drafted a little proposal and gave it to staff and staff is still working on it. What it is is the point that Gary made is that once we start into subsidizing organizations within the community, it seems like it's an increase on a yearly basis, sort of like having a staff and it just keeps increasing, increasing, increasing. The point that I made in my proposal was if we wish to continue supporting organizations such as these worthwhile organizations we have here this evening we certainly need an individual year grant proposal that each organization fills out on a yearly basis and we maximize that. For certain ones it could be $5,000, for others it could be $10,000, for somebody else it could be $20,000. But I capped it at $20,000 just for making up the proposal and each year each one of those organizations would again reapply and there would be some stipulations cc 9-11-90 Page #7 McDONALD CONTINUES: that that amount of money that we subsidize couldn't be more than a certain percent of their total budget so we're not subsidizing the entire organization. But it was a concept I think that brought Gary's point home that it would not increase from that point. We'd maybe have only two grants or three grants that each one of these organizations could apply for and each year they had to have their audit, they had to have their financial report intact, they had to have their programs listed there that were current with the major funding sources like United Way and what the priorities were for those. But it gives us something that we can say these aren't going to increase in the years to come. This is a grant program that we offer and we can't necessarily give it to one without giving it to the other so that anybody can apply for those grants and then it's up to this body to make the decision if they want to appropriate those but that's the type of concept is something if we wish to continue this type of program is what we need to do so. It does not, like the subsidizing for trash, almost get into the point where it's taking unbelievable amounts of money from other things that are priorities within the community. The proposal that we have before us for 1990-91 through the loss of Ingleside with the four organizations, The Rosemead Boys & Girls Club, The Greater E1 Monte Girls Club, and the two organizations which wish to take over the responsibility that we saw that Ingleside was fulfilling for this community they have an amount there of $123,000 or $131,000. Last year the funds, since we did not give to the West San Gabriel Family Counseling or the Asian-Pacific but we did give in the 89-90 to Ingleside, we had an amount of $75,000. But as you notice also in the Staff Report there that the State legislature this year and of course next year and the year after that are going to use the city funds to balance the budget, taking from us and giving to the counties rather than making tax cuts possibly that they should make in the long run up there in the state. I don't think there are too many cities or any other cities in the San Gabriel valley that are financially stable as the City of Rosemead. But our pockets aren't gold-lined and we need to keep restraints on those and I think if we can look at that grant proposal in the next six months or so and look at that I think we ought to implement that in some fashion. But at this point we don't have that and we have to look at the costs that they are asking of us now and like Mr. Tripepi pointed out in his report here we have lost about $200,000 alone in the budget accounting of the state by asking us for booking fees and other fees that we normally don't have on our budget. IMPERIAL: $326,000. McDONALD: $326,000? Okay, it was the $200,000 that I was looking at..... TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. If I may, as far as the state budget this year, I don't imagine most people are involved with the actual process or understand what goes on there and I don't we do totally either but I made reference a little while ago about an annual ten percent increase on an average, call it cost-of-living, merit increase or whatever, but in actuality what the state does again, they went for the almost automatic ten percent increase. They need 5 billion more dollars this year and that's roughly ten percent. And you go back and check the budget each year and that's kind of the rule of thumb that they use. They throw in the cost-of-living and whatever their schedule is but they had to come up with that 5 billion dollars and it's kind of the laws of compounding. They don't give a flat increase as such. It's ten percent across the board and that's a big chunk of money. It was on the news last night the LA School Board, they adopted their budget of approximately 4 billion dollars and in order to do that the teachers, they got a roughly eight percent increase and a couple of months ago or'so it was on the news that they were going to discharge, lay off, or fire a 1,000 janitors and cleaning people and the lower echelon you might say of the employees which in fact they're going to do because they need that extra eight percent increase and 90 percent of their budget goes toward salaries and such. So, when you start tacking on those kinds of percentages and increases nobody really analyses where they're going to get it from, totally, it's just in the budget that says we've got to do this. But it doesn't look at the cc 9-11-90 Page #8 TAYLOR CONTINUES: policy or the philosophy of how they're going to do it and they say well just pass it on to the taxpayer and that's generally where it comes from so the city or the state upped their budget 5 billion dollars and you may not be aware of it or not but one of the first grab bags they reached into was well let's go to the City of Rosemead and we'll take away their vehicle license fees and subventions and the items they wanted to take from the City of Rosemead directly was 1.7 million dollars. They did this on their own and they did it to other cities, too and that accounts to I think 11 or 13 percent of our budget, annually. So, as Mr. McDonald said it's a grab bag up there and they're passing it on to the cities well we'll take it from those lower down to keep our services going. And it's going to get it can't do anything but get worse. That's the nature of some bureaucracies so we're at the point now, getting back to this particular item, and last year I'm going to refer to a couple of items here, the Boys Club initial fee there was $20,000 and it came back for a 25% increase to $25,000. The partial fee to the E1 Monte Girls Club was $8,000 for 88-89, now it's a request of $14,400 and I don't understand the $22,000 it says or $22,280. McDONALD: In the program, $22,000 was a five day week program. TAYLOR: If we chose to go to the five day program. I don't criticize any of these groups. Believe me, they do try to serve the people but I don't see the end to it and it's not these groups it's just in general. There's just so much that cities can do and it just seems like the City will take over the raising of the boys and the girls and it's surprising the more you take over the more the parents seem to let go. And I don't have the answer. It's very complicated. But the money's running out and I hate to choose between all the organizations. There's another dozen of them that haven't even come in for funds. The Rosemead Rebels requested $8,000 this year, a one-shot deal because part of the year they were shut down for an extra nine months due to construction but in their request they stated that it was a one-shot deal and I voted for that particular one and I'll sure vote against it when it comes back next year but I respect the organization. I think it's a great organization. But it's almost automatic that when you get a source of funds and sure you have a cost increase go back and apply for more and that's going to happen. And I'm reluctant. I can't vote for these programs not because of the administration or the idea but I think the funding should come from another source. McDONALD: Okay. I'd like to make a proposal then. As far as my grant proposal is concerned, I capped it at $20,000. We were anticipating one or two organizations doing what Ingleside had been doing. I would make a proposal to fund each one of the organizations at $20,000 which would make an expenditure of $80,000. BRUESCH: I'll second that proposal. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. What happens when the other organizations come in next year or the following year? McDONALD: We have to make a decision every year when they come before us. Just like we had to do with the trash subsidy this year. Mr. Bruesch. BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. Talking about a squeeze of funds. Again, I deal with families and kids that use all the services of these groups and I hear that through the state, through the county, the money has been cut in half or thirds and this program's going to have to be wasted and this other program has to be cut in half and I see the services that at least through my school district, that were there for quite a long time, and servicing families in tremendous need not being there anymore and I know for a fact that school districts because of the budget constraints aren't going to be able to service these type of programs. I hate to keep on bringing up a personal thing but just today we received one kid that has had tremendous emotional problems for over two years. The funding was dried up and he is going back into a regular classroom and the mother is very fearful because the cc 9-11-90 Page #9 BRUESCH CONTINUES: last time he was in a regular classroom the kid almost went to pieces. This is the cold, cruel world I realize that but we're talking about 50% cuts through the county to mental health programs directed toward families and kids. If the schools aren't going to do that oh by the way also I understand that United Way is pushing all organizations to be more on their own, raise their own resources through their communities. If these community programs are being cut through their state funds and their county funds and are being told by the United Way you've got to go out and garner more community resources and if those community resources aren't there to provide the services then the services won't be there and I know that the cities are being squeezed by the governor but these organizations are being squeezed by the governor and for a person who sees the benefit from all of these programs to all the families and kids that I deal with there's got to be an answer. There's got to be a way that these services can be continued to these families who are in crisis need. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. I'd like to make a clarification when I made a comment a while ago that the State tried to reach in and take the 1.7 million dollars out of the City of Rosemead. There were several other cities in the State, I believe one city was 23% of their budget, well, it was the old back door trick. When these cities discovered over the weekend what they were voting on the state did not get away with it but it's just the idea of what's going on with funding and it's at all levels of government, the federal, the state, the county and Mr. Bruesch is right. They're finding out they can only fund so much. They started the trauma centers that they're closing. They cannot fund the bills they just keep mounting and mounting and they just said enough's enough. And I don't think that the cities, once we get started, it gets awfully hard to stop and cut them off and that's why again I can't support this because we're starting to pick and choose between many good organizations and I think they all have merit but they also have their other funding sources to work from even though it's not as much money as they would like. McDONALD: Mr. Imperial. Any comments? IMPERIAL: My only comment is I can't agree with the proposal that was made to, give $20,000 to each organization. I would think maybe the need for one organization is more critical than another if we're talking in terms of percentages or what have you. I would agree to go into a study session and talk about this some more but I will not agree with the $20,000 across the board to four organizations because there's no guarantee that next week another organization's going to come in and say I've got rights, too. I'll go for a study session. I will not go for a one-time $20,000 kicker because a one-time kicker to other organizations could really put us in a bind. McDONALD: It was my point to make that it's got to be a yearly kicker because there's going to be times that if we have an earthquake that flattens us here we just we appropriate monies as we have them and I don't think we need to worry about who's going to come in next week. We just have to consider that when it comes to us. But that was my proposal. I made the proposal of $20,000 across the board. Each one of those services I think is important. I think we got the two clubs for the kids that are very important. I don't know, I just have an affinity for kids is all and we have what Ingleside was doing for us that's invaluable for all age groups and we have two organizations who would vie for those funds that I think are just as important to the City so it's difficult for me. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. Again, the Ingleside Hospital program had been going on for I'm going to have to say ten, fifteen years, whatever it was. Then the Rosemead Boys & Girls Club was funded three years ago I believe. Then last year the El Monte Girls Club came in. That made the second organization. Then the Rosemead Rebels came in and asked for assistance. That was the third organization. Now, we've got the West San Gabriel Valley, the fourth organization. The Asian-Pacific, the fifth organization. I know of a dozen more out there that could sure use the funds, too. CC 9-11-90 Page #10 • 0 McDONALD: We're going to sit here and make decisions on each one of those, Gary. If we think they're appropriate and we do have the money at the time, we make that decision. I don't think that we don't provide any services because too many people are going to come in here and ask for funding for different services beyond that. TAYLOR: I think the thing about is that they're well respected organizations. They'have been standing on their own two feet. And I commend them for that. And it just overwhelms me that once they start coming in for public funding then the community involvement becomes less. They're no longer working with the private enterprises and such because it's much easier to go to a City Council or someone and get the money given to us basically. It's the easiest place in the world it appears to get the money. McDONALD: I think if you looked at the budgets of any one of these organizations they don't get their money from local city governments. They get a stipend from local governments but they raise funds through special fund raisers. They go out and have campaigns for people donating the money. We don't agree. I can see we don't agree but I think these are services that we haven't for example the E1 Monte Boys & Girls Club that came in, as soon as they opened the doors they had 60 young girls in there. As soon as they opened the doors. So, the services are needed in the community. If we don't think we can...I don't think we need to evaluate.... what we need to evaluate is is that service a priority? Do we have the money to do it? And not worry about what somebody else tomorrow's going to come and ask for money because we're going to evaluate that as soon as they walk in the door and see if that's a priority and if we have the money we could provide that service. If we don't have the money we can't provide the service. BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. I don't think I'm too far off base in saying that most of these groups that are before the Council have done studies on funding bases within various communities and time and again it's been said that the funding base isn't in Rosemead. There are not enough large and medium size businesses and so forth to provide a funding base for all the activities. It's just not there and we're not going to get... the organizations are not going to get it from private donations of the populace so you're going back to United Way because everybody makes big corporate donations to United Way. Well, United Way is telling each organization to go back to your constituent businesses and corporations in your cities and the businesses and corporations are saying well, gee we just gave to United Way. It's like a catch all there, Catch-22. You're expected to go out and develop your local sources yet some big organization has come in and tapped those resources and then by the time it trickles down to the local organizations there's very little left. And these organizations are being strangled financially by all these funds cut backs including through the United Way agencies. I think we have a comment out there. McDONALD: I just want to say one thing. We work with a 35 million dollar budget here with all the monies in both the Agency and the City here and we're talking here under a hundred thousand dollars and you wonder about the investment in maybe one child's life as compared to surfacing a street. But I don't think we have to cut any monies to provide these services in the City. When we have to start cutting services that touch everybody I think that's when you can say no but if we have the money per se and you're talking about a few kids or a few older folks that you're giving something to let's say mentally straightening them out so they're going to go down the straight and narrow and maybe be a productive citizen in our community. I think you have to weigh that a little bit. And I think if we can afford it we ought to provide it. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. I don't think any one of us and I've stated it over and over again that I commend these organizations and they're fairly self-sufficient but every one of us in this room could do more if we had more money. We're getting by, our families, we're existing, call it whatever you like. But whenever the public trough is there to go take the funds from and it's just amazing the crisis that our cc 9-11-90 Page #11 0 0 TAYLOR CONTINUES: Country is in basically and everyone is looking to the government for more funds to bail it out. We had a comment a little earlier about a program that was on television last night and it was called THE GOVERNMENT, THE SOLUTION OR THE PROBLEM. And the comment was get more money from the government. It was a two-hour program and more programs and continually it was a bottomless barrel and when you look at what is actually going on in society they talk about the homeless, the single parent family, approximately it's approaching a 50% ratio as far as and I said this at the budget session, it's not easy. We're not going to find the answers. But if we're getting to a ration of a 50% single parent family, 65% of the marriages in California every year, 65% end in divorce, another 15% failure, that's almost an 80% failure rate. Then we get down to the family and the pregnancies, the terminations, 40% of all pregnancies end in abortion. Again, it's just a public policy and philosophy that government says well we'll make it easy. A few years ago they passed the marriage laws that because of irreconcilable differences and bingo they doubled within that time frame. McDONALD: But don't you think that we as a city if we have the monies ought to be able to help these people out that are in that situation? TAYLOR: No. McDONALD: We can educate the young ladies, help the young ladies in the Girls Club or a Boys Club to find out about how you get pregnant and what to do to stop it, etcetera. Or to work with the people who are mentally ill who have problems. Don't you think.... TAYLOR: They have been trying that already and it's become a total failure, almost. It hasn't gotten any better with all of these programs it's gotten worse. And that's why I say it's not an easy solution but pumping more money into all these organizations ...the comment was made they're closing down the mental health facilities because they can't fund that. There's more homeless people on the streets because for whatever reason the housing market collapsing, they can't afford to buy homes. I mean it's a whole spectrum. The government isn't the answer just to pour more money into them. McDONALD: I don't think it's a matter of we're pouring more money into them. I think all we're doing is offering a service as long as we have a little bit of money that we could use for that. I don't think... TAYLOR: We're exceptional, Rosemead, you're correct. We do have a little more money but the other cities and county and state and federal, look what they're trying to do to get more money. Just because we've been prudent doesn't mean that okay we'll follow the rest of them now and start these and again I'm not criticizing these organizations it's just the steps we're taking. McDONALD: I don't think we can say that we're not...I don't see the relationship where you say down the road we're going to have to give this money, we're going to have to give that money. I think we're intelligent enough, as we evaluate these things, if we don't have the money, we don't fund it. TAYLOR: No, that's... McDONALD: I don't think we're going to dig ourselves into a hole. TAYLOR: We're opening the door in the sense that you made the comment that well they come, we will evaluate it. And you're a very soft hearted gentleman in this sense. You haven't turned down any of them and we've gone from Ingleside, Boys Club, Rebels, E1 Monte Girls Club.... McDONALD: Ingleside and Rebels were here before I was. TAYLOR: That's correct but each one of them that has come in and I've stated the RYA up here has 500 boys and girls, they've been going for cc 9-11-90 Page #12 • 0 TAYLOR CONTINUES: almost 30 years. They could certainly use the money. The Rosemead Little League and such. They've got roughly 500 boys and girls there. They're excellent organizations helping out again and you talk to the coaches and the managers, single families, single-parent families, the underprivileged children and they do a tremendous job and I commend them for it but they're just as entitled to come up here and ask for the money. McDONALD: Well, they certainly are but they haven't have they? TAYLOR: RYA came in and asked for $8,000 and got turned down. McDONALD: When? TAYLOR: Prior to you being on the Council. McDONALD: We have a philosophical difference, here and I don't think it's going to be resolved. I think if we have the money to provide the social help that's given through these organizations we ought to do it. I don't think we ought to worry about what's down the road. We've got the money now and we have good investments. The city is still climbing, is looking good. We've made some efforts to make a little bit more money in the developments that we put in here and I think the service ought to be plowed right back into the community and I think this is one of the valuable ways of doing it. I think it's an excellent way of investing in the people of the community. I don't think a trash subsidy does beans. BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. Then I'll defer to Gene. One of the things we keep on hearing over and over is all the activities that various organizations within the city service for kids and their families. But the sad fact is that these groups out here are servicing those kids and families who do not participate in these whether by choice or by not being able to afford it whatever the case is it is those families that are in what I call, stages of disintegration, that don't become involved in these organizations. These are the very people that are on the fringes and again, philosophically, I see the city as more than buildings, roads and grass areas. I see the city as people. I just can't see us cutting those types of people away without help when we are helping say even the Little League which I've been involved with for 11 years, they don't have to pay for their lights and that's a big, big cost. They're being subsidized in a way by the City. They're using city parks and they don't have to pay the fee that other people have to. All I'm saying is there's got to be something there for those families that don't participate in recreation like that and we're not the only city that does it. Other cities around here are supporting these type of organizations and we've done the survey before, what the other cities are doing for these types of organizations. I won't go over the results of those things but each city is doing something. I'll defer the rest of my time to Gene. GENE BOYD, 3603 Earle Avenue, Rosemead: Mr. Mayor. I'd like to address my comments to Gary. I picked up, Gary, on your 50% divorce rate. Check a little further, you'll find that 70% of them remarry. So, it's not quite that bad. TAYLOR: And then the next year 65% divorce, again. That's every year, Gene. BOYD: I wanted to make a comment on the Rosemead Boys & Girls Club. Three years ago I became a Director on that. There was a little over 200 kids. Now, these kids are. kids, citizens of our community and I would say most of them, nearly all of them, are what we call latchkey kids. You've got a four-hour spread from the time they get out of school until such time as their parents get home from work. Most of them, in order to maintain their family, have got a mother and father both working. I can't from a logical standpoint understand how we could consider the money that we donate for taking care of those kids, providing services for them, to be an expense. I think it's an investment. I think it's a darn good investment. It amounts to, we cc 9-11-90 Page #13 • 0 BOYD CONTINUES: started with, when I went in there, we had a little over 200 kids. We've got over 400, now, maybe 425. At the $25,000 that was asked, that that would be a $1.00 a week per kid. Imagining how much damage those kids could do if they were loose for that 4-5 hours every day, I don't think a dollar a week would enter into it. I think the City's gaining tremendously by that. I don't have an answer to your argument, Gary, that all these clubs would be eligible to come in and ask us for money. I don't have that. But I don't think that where we're investing in the youth of our community, we are investing. That's not an expense. And as long as we have the money, I think all of us would do well to give it plenty of consideration before we withdraw or cutback funds on an instrument such as is taking place now. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. Let me make a statement to what Mr. Boyd is saying. What is the difference now there seems to be a misconception here about the family status or the children that play on the RYA baseball teams, the Rosemead Little League baseball teams, the American Soccer Association teams, the Rosemead Rebels football players and such. Are these four organizations, are they all elite, well to do families? BOYD: I'm not saying they're... TAYLOR: What family status do you think they have? BOYD: They have a much higher family status than the children that attend the Rosemead Boys and Girls Club. TAYLOR: I beg to disagree with you, one hundred percent. They are average families that do not have a lot of money. Some of them do, maybe ten percent. My point is that these people take great pride in their organizations and being self-sufficient. They almost defend that pride that they have and that is something that I think is excellent and they've been going on for many, many years. Are you on the Board of Directors for the Boys Club? BOYD: Yes, I am. TAYLOR: What happened to the survey that was made with the businesses, the corporate businesses, and the large businesses in the City of Rosemead who were approached to fund the Boys Club? Why didn't they contribute? BOYD: That was before I was a Director. TAYLOR: That was two years ago? BOYD: More than that. Gary, I lived across the street from a family that had two boys on the Rebels and believe me there was no such a thing as worrying about where those kids were at for four or five hours a day. Their father spent nearly every minute of his spare time.... TAYLOR: Their father, but not most fathers. BOYD: ....Well, this I know from an actual experience. Their father spent nearly every minute of his spare time during football time with those kids. You're faced here with another group of kids that are entirely different. To me it's apples and oranges. You're talking with a family whose parents both work, who are struggling to survive, who don't have the time to spend with those kids like that. That's where we're stepping in and giving them a hand. And I certainly.... TAYLOR: I have nine children, Gene. And seven of them played on these baseball teams and if you don't think over fifteen years that my wife and I didn't get to know families then you're missing the point. These were poor families and single-parent families but they chose to participate with the organizations. Good organizations, good people. I'm not criticizing a single individual. As Mr. McDonald says we're talking about policy and philosophy of I don't believe the government is the solution to all the problems. CC 9-11-90 Page #14 • BOYD: I don't think the... McDONALD: Gene, that's enough. Sit down. C~ TAYLOR: Well, Mr. Mayor, I think we've hashed it out. McDONALD: We know where we disagree. My motion wasn't seconded so... BRUESCH: Yes, it was. I seconded it. TAYLOR: Was it seconded? McDONALD: At least we'll vote on that and then we'll move on here. Go ahead and vote gentlemen, if there's no further discussion. As you recall, it was a 20-20-20-20 proposal. Yes: McDonald, Bruesch No: Taylor, Imperial Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None McDONALD: Okay. Do I here a secondary proposal? TAYLOR: Mr. Bruesch or Mr. Imperial had a recommendation for a study session. I think that's where we need to go now. BRUESCH: Would the grant proposal idea be fleshed out by that time? Could it be? FRANK TRIPEPI, CITY MANAGER: You were talking about for the budget, right? BRUESCH: At least with an outline? McDONALD: That's actually for the budget process but I guess we could show a concept of it. I don't know if that's got any more, that's got just as many holes as my other proposal. Okay,, Mr. Imperial, would you like to repeat your motion. IMPERIAL: After this died for lack of a majority I would like at this time to take this to a study session by the Council to take.a look at this project and determine whether we want to fund it or not and just not at this point I'm not willing to say I don't want to fund anybody but I do feel that there are some inequities of the previous proposal where one organization might deserve more money than others if we're going to give any money and I just want to look at this from a fair perspective so if this Council wants to go into a study session at a projected date I'd be willing to do that. McDONALD: Do we have a second on that Mr. Taylor? TAYLOR: That's fine, Mr. Mayor. McDONALD: Any further discussion? Please vote. Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: None McDONALD: Let me direct staff to come up with some proposed dates on the study session. I would like to mention to each one of those folks in the community that are here today from those organizations that it is a tough situation from both sides of the fence here. We did lose a little over $300,000 out of our budget by the state demanding more fees and allowing the County to assess more fees on things that hadn't cost quite as much as before but there's other areas that it appears that we're having a fairly good year as far as the monies coming in from the businesses in the community and some of the investments that we've had in the community for some time. So, it's just something that we have to deal with with four members on the Council here and cc 9-11-90 Page #15 • 9 McDONALD CONTINUES: try to hack out some sort of resolution that would satisfy or partially satisfy each and every one of us. So, staff is directed to come with a couple of dates and get it before we get to the next meeting. BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. I would like for some of the organizations that have had feasibility studies and I know most of them have, to at least be able to share with us some of the results of those because I've seen the results of two and it's pretty bleak in Rosemead about the ability to raise money from business community and I'm not decrying the fact the business community because I know that the Chamber has been extremely supportive of all these organizations but the fact of the matter is that the base of support is not there for these organizations and what worries me is because the support is not there does that mean that these families in need will not be serviced. And I sure would hate to say yes to that query. McDONALD: Staff is directed to... TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. No, my comment, you feel strongly on this and I can see your reasoning for it and I feel strongly on my side of it and because I think this is such a strong natured item, I'd like the conversation in the minutes, verbatim. I'm not voting against any children and I'm sure that your intentions are well made, just as each one of us, our intentions are not against any child. END VERBATIM DIALOGUE VI. STATUS REPORTS - None VII. MATTERS FROM OFFICIALS A. COUNCIL Mayor McDonald presented a letter from Mayor Pro Tem Robert DeCocker asking to step down as Mayor Pro Tem but remain as a Councilman. MOTION BY MAYOR McDONALD, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that the Council accept the letter and appoint Councilman Imperial as mayor Pro Tem. Vote resulted: Yes: Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch No: None Absent: DeCocker Abstain: Imperial The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. B. MAYOR McDONALD directed staff to prepare a proposal on a pilot program for the disposal of green waste and using it to cover the dumps instead of using dirt. C. MAYOR PRO TEN IMPERIAL noted that he will be absent from the meeting of September 25, 1990. VIII. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS A. Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar Avenue, asked about recycling programs. There being no further action to be taken at this time, the meeting was adjourned at 10:35 p.m. The next regular meeting is scheduled for September 25, 1990 at 8:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted: APPROVED: C' y Clerk MAYOR CC 9-11-90 Page #16 S APPROVED MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING CITY OF ROSEMEAD ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL DATE-q-/--//- AUGUST 28, 1990 RY~~ Cc~,2r The Regular Meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called to order by Mayor McDonald at 8:03 p.m. in the council chambers of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California. ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS: Present: Councilman Imperial and Mayor McDonald Absent: Councilman Bruesch - Excused Councilman Taylor - Excused Mayor Pro Tem DeCocker - Excused There being a lack of a quorum the meeting was adjourned at 8:04 p.m. The next regular meeting is scheduled for September 11, 1990 at 8:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted: ~APPROVED: 2~G2~ ~~~~l2eit~ C' Clerk MAYOR CC 8-28-90 Page #1