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CC - 03-13-90• • APPROVED MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING CITY OF ROSEb4EAD ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL DATE 5-~- Q MARCH 13, 1990 I3Y The Regular Meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called to order by Mayor McDonald at 8:06 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California. The Pledge to the Flag was led by Councilman DeCocker. The Invocation was delivered by Pastor Charlie Corum of the Olive Branch Outreach. ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS: Present: Councilmen Bruesch, DeCocker, Taylor, Mayor Pro Tem Imperial, and Mayor McDonald Absent: None APPROVAL OF MINUTES:. FEBRUARY 27, 1990 - REGULAR MEETING MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL that the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of February 27, 1990, be approved. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. PRESENTATIONS: A Resolution honoring the Rosemead Soroptimist Club was presented by the Council. Bonnie Culbertson accepted on behalf of the Soroptimists and thanked the Council. I. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE A. Olga Fisher, 8334 Park St., questioned a Notice of Substandard Property that she received and noted that she has applied for a grant loan to make the needed repairs to her property. B. Margaret Glancy, 7433 E. Garvey Ave., and representing the mobilehome owners, reported a problem with excessive utility bills being received by some tenants. III.LEGISLATIVE A. RESOLUTION NO. 90-16 - CLAIMS & DEMANDS The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 90-16 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $225,029.76 NUMBERED 28835-28868 AND 27341 THROUGH 27470 MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that Resolution No. 90-16 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Bruesch requested a memo to explain the voided checks. CC 3-13-90 Page #1 • IV CONSENT CALENDAR (CC-H and CC-I REMOVED FOR DISCUSSION) CC-A AUTHORIZATION TO SEER BIDS FOR THE HOME HANDYMAN PROGRAM - 36th BID PACKAGE CC-B EXTENSION OF AGREEMENT FOR SPORTS LIGHTING EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE WITH AMTECH LIGHTING SERVICE CC-C ACCEPTANCE OF STREET EASEMENTS FOR FERN AVENUE (FALLING LEAF/SAN GABRIEL), NEWMARK AVENUE (FALLING LEAF/PINE) AND CHARLOTTE AVENUE (GARVEY/SOUTH END) CC-D RED CURB AT 8935 MISSION DRIVE CC-E AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND ANNUAL WE-TIP 27-29, 1990 IN LOS ANGELES. , APRIL CC-F AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND ANNUAL CALIFORNIA CONTRACT CITIES ASSOCIATION SEMINAR, MAY 17-20, 1990 IN PALM SPRINGS CC-G APPROVAL OF PARCEL MAP NO. 19720 - 2438 SAN GABRIEL BOULEVARD CC-J AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES MAYORS AND COUNCILMEMBERS LEGISLATIVE BRIEFING, MARCH 28, 1990 IN CC-K ACCEPTANCE OF WORK FOR CONCRETE REPAIRS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS CC-L SUPPORT OF SB 1837 (Hart) - DISTRIBUTION OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS FROM VENDING MACHINES MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL that the foregoing items on the Consent Calendar be approved. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. CC-H INSTALLATION OF MARKERS ON WALNUT GROVE AVENUE CC-I ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC SAFETY MEASURES ALONG WALNUT GROVE AND GRAND AVENUES Howard Masuda, 4846 N. Walnut Grove Avenue, requested the Council's support of these items. Councilman Taylor requested that item CC-H be amended to have the edgeline placed 7' from the curb instead of 61. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL that CC-H, as amended, and CC-I be approved. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. V. MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION & ACTION - None VI. STATUS REPORTS - None CC 3-13-90 Page #2 VII. MATTERS FROM OFFICIALS A. CITY OF ROSEMEAD PARTICIPATION IN THE PROPOSED LOS ANGELES COUNTY METROPOLITAN AREA WASTE-BY-RAIL SYSTEM VERBATIM DIALOGUE FOLLOWS: McDONALD: Mr. Bruesch has one item and we also have a member of the audience that would like to speak on that, Mr. Nunez. Would you like to come up and speak on that, Mr. Nunez before we.....? BRUESCH: Why don't I run down what it's about, first. FRANK G. TRIPEPI, CITY MANAGER: There's no action required. BRUESCH: There's no action. McDONALD: Oh, there's no action? BRUESCH: As some of the members of the Council know, I've been working with the San Gabriel Valley Association of cities under Solid Waste Taskforce. About three years ago, Mayor Nancy Manners from West Covina, brought in front of the combined thirty-nine cities of the Valley here an idea that the way out of our dilemma, losing our waste space, our dumps, is by putting it on trains out to the desert, to various areas. The railroad companies are extremely interested in it because it's a way for them to make money. Kaiser Steel is interested because they're in bankruptcy and they need a way to make money. And the Valley cities were concerned with where they're going to put all their trash because we're not going to get any more space up at Puente and possibly the County might not even get anything out at Elsmere, which is out in the "other" valley as we call it. So, for three years they studied the waste-by-rail issue. It is a very costly way to get rid of trash. The technology is there. It could be operational within eight years. The pluses are that it would guarantee a way for us to get rid of our trash, if and when any other place were to close down. Of course, the minuses are, on face value, that the dump fees, the tipping fees, would go from approximately $21 a ton to approximately $50 a ton, but that's in today's dollars. Who knows what the tipping fees are going to be and the transportation fees are going to be in the next 10-15 years. One of the questions that was brought up, continually, in the last four months was that if we set up a transfer station for these trains, and they do recycling there, would that count as our quota according to 939, the new trash recycling bill. I just had a conversation with Lucy Killeah, who is writing legislation that recycling at transfer stations will count as part of the quota for a city and their 25-50% recycling requirement. I place this before you mainly to get a sense of the Council. You can look at it and say it looks good and file it; you can look at it and say bring it back with a resolution that we support it in principal but we don't want to commit anything to it; or you can direct to staff to say yes, we like to do it, this is a hedge against the future, let's make this a part of our RFP when we go out for a waste hauler. You can do what you wish with this particular thing. I just got notice that Pomona has passed a resolution that they are going to join the Joint Powers Agreement. There are four other cities that are deciding tonight whether or not to join the JPA or even pass a resolution in favor of it. What I'd like to do with this material is have my colleagues on the Council, look it over, study it. If you need any more materials I've got a desk full. I can give you memo after memo on all the technical data that you need. I'd like to bring this back at our next meeting and see if there is the desire to support this Joint Powers Agreement or whether we file it with all the other ideas that they have right now to help us out with our trash dilemma. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. I think it's a viable concept. But we're talking about a trash rate right now, Rosemead residents are paying $5.63 or $5.73 and Mr. Bruesch is correct in his $50 per ton. The residents don't really realize that we're subsidizing. The true cost is like $12 a month. So, we're subsidizing about $6 a month per resident. But what happens with this is it goes from $5.73 a month up to $30 a month for trash. CC 3-13-90 Page #3 • BRUESCH: The thing that we have to think about in future costs is what will be the cost for dumping at Ellsmere if it is opened up. What is going to be the cost of the transportation of that. These are the things that we don't know. TAYLOR: That's true. But we still have a problem as far as when the cities do join up, how many, they're talking about a minimum of 24 tons here to make it viable. Once you get the 24 tons and other JPA members join this that's going to relieve all the local dumps to a certain degree, which is fine. But again, what happens when the recycling programs go into full operation. We don't know. I would like that information. BRUESCH:- That is one of the biggest questions. What happens if you commit to a ton a week and your recycling cuts in 75-80 tons a week, per year, on that. We'd have to pay extra. According to the way it's written up if you are over by 10% or under by 10% you will pay a penalty. That is the question that has been brought up time and time again. The answer, of course, is that you get your recycling started before you begin putting the tonnage on. TAYLOR: This is one reason that I'd like more information. Rather than go in next week and obligate ourselves on first page,.... McDONALD: I think the point being made here though is that... I've sat as the Mayor, as each of you have in turn, on the Sanitation District and Gary, with the closings of the dumps coming in the next 4-5 years they see the trash costs going up to $50-$75 a ton. I think, Bob, if we're talking here, I think everybody sees this as a viable alternative concept. At this point, I would certainly be willing to go along and pass a resolution that it looks like a good concept but at this moment in time, because there's a lot of questions we'd like to ask about this ...the matter of getting credit, can you bank the tons that you haven't used and then when you start delivering more are they going to give you the credit for that. That wasn't in there at all. They weren't going to give you any refund of the money so they say you sell the excess that you don't use to some other city but I would really like to bank that in the concept. I think the rest of us, trash hauling transfer stations are the most important piece of the whole concept of trash haul either to Ellsmere Canyon, which they're going to try to open up or out to the desert. Even though we agree and do all this stuff if no city allows the sites for transfer stations, we're in a problem. As Gary pointed out, the concept is there. This is a viable concept and we want to be able, down the road, have alternatives like either going to Ellsmere Canyon or hauling it out there. I would like to see a resolution.... staff put a resolution that we would....I would make the motion or a concept consensus vote that we ask staff to make a resolution that we support the concept at this time but we're not going to commit. BRUESCH: But don't commit to.... okay. I'll go along with that. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. I want to bring up a point. Two years ago we had a discussion about selling some notes. And you recall our discussion there whether to sell $25 million in short term notes or to sell two short term notes and I appreciate the Council's consensus. The first time it came up the Council voted four to one against me. We didn't have all the information. The very next meeting I provided information which was never in our packets of interest of $44 million that we would have had to pay. The only reason that I bring that up is this same program, the consensus. The thing is you get your foot in the door and as soon as they get their 24 ton minimum, they're going to move this program and I'm not condemning the program. The residents of this community.... how are we going to pass on that $360 a year trash bill? McDONALD: Gary, we're not passing anything on, here. All we're doing is coming up with a resolution that the concept looks good. The idea of a JPA. We're not agreeing to any prices. We're not agreeing to any tons. CC 3-13-90 Page #4 • BRUESCH: I think the proviso could be put in at the end of the resolution that this resolution in no way commits our City to providing tonnage to this program. We're agreeing, in concept, that it will be a viable way of..... McDONALD: We're not agreeing to anything and I don't think it's a foot in the door. TAYLOR: All right. Do what you want. But I'm going to make an issue of it. I'm going to put it to.the residents and say beware we're getting in to a program..... McDONALD: We're not getting in to anything, Gary. All we're doing is passing a resolution to support the concept. TAYLOR: Make your resolution and keep them moving, then. The concept, I'm in agreement with. But..... McDONALD: Then why can't you give a resolution to accept the concept, to give all the work that these people are doing ...you don't attend the Sanitation District's meetings that shows what they . project as the cost because of the closings of the dumps. They see the costs going up higher than $50. They see it at $75 a ton within the next five years. TAYLOR: I sit outside, more or less, as a member of the private sector. It's in our minutes. I would like staff to research and provide you the minutes what happened with the subterranean metrorail system when I opposed that and brought an issue to the Council, why I was opposed to it, because they lowballed the figures and now they're fighting among themselves.... McDONALD: We're not agreeing to anything, here Gary. All we're doing is..... TAYLOR: You encourage them to go ahead and do it without having the facts. McDONALD: We all have problems that we've gone through before. If you recall I was the one that said we ought to leverage the $20 million. You recall that? I said something could significantly happen that would make it a risk to buy bonds in the City of Rosemead, for us to leverage that later on. And what happened two weeks later, after we signed at the lower rate, of the numbers of money that we had? We had an earthquake which now people say the bonds in Rosemead are risky. We all have those things. But in this case all we're doing is giving them support of a resolution. They've done a lot of work. They've had experts come in and work on this stuff so they see the projecting of costs down the road. All I'm saying is we're in favor of the concept. Do you think we need more information to make a favorable move to a resolution? TAYLOR: You're in favor of the concept. And I'm in favor of it being one of the concepts. This isn't the only one. BRUESCH: Absolutely. McDONALD: I'm working with the Sanitation Department on trying to get the Ellsmere Canyon opened up for a dump out there. TAYLOR: That's right. We had that back again. McDONALD: Because they're going to close these other dumps. We're not going to have these dumps that are local, here. BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. I spent the weekend down at the conference in Del Mar on Solid Waste Management and Gary, you're absolutely right. It's one of the pieces of the puzzle. It's not the answer. I stood up a dozen times at San Gabriel Valley Association meetings saying the exact same thing you're saying. Recycling is part of the answer. This is part of the answer. Opening Ellsmere is part of the answer. Reduction of waste, changing your household habits so that you don't CC 3-13-90 Page #5 BRUESCH CONTINUES: throw out as much, that's part of the answer. But we've got to start taking some steps in doing these things. We can't step back because the window of time that we're dealing with is becoming smaller all the time. McDONALD: We can hold off. Gary, what specific information would you request? TAYLOR: As I stated, as far as getting some true, factual costs in. I don't know how they're going to get them on a recycling program. Theoretically, we don't know what we may get back. McDONALD: Mr. Bruesch. Why don't you bring in all that information that you have. Give it to staff and let's give it to Mr. Taylor and the rest of the staff here. BRUESCH: It's going to be a lot of.... TAYLOR: But it's got to be a realistic cost breakdown. Somebody must have it. BRUESCH: I've got it. I've got to warn you of something. This JPA has not selected a contractee. It has not selected a rail line. What I'm going to have to do is give you the cost breakdowns of one or two companies. Some of the cost breakdowns are privileged information that I can have but that I cannot release. TAYLOR: Cost breakdowns regarding what? BRUESCH: How much the cost of the trains are going to be; how much the cost of the redoing of the mines out there are going to be; the excavation out there; how much..... McDONALD: Why are those confidential? BRUESCH: I really don't know. There was one company that made all that stuff confidential. IMPERIAL: If they're that secret, we shouldn't be voting on it. McDONALD: Sounds good to me. Juan, come up here and say a few words. Juan? Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar, requested clarification of this item. END VERBATIM DIALOGUE B. MAYOR MCDONALD 1. Directed staff to investigate the possibility of relocating the stop sign on Glendon Way/10-freeway on-ramp at Rosemead Boulevard to where the traffic actually stops. Alfonso Rodriguez, City Engineer, noted that this location is within Caltrans' right-of-way and that Caltrans would be notified. VIII. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS A. Hugh Foutz invited all interested persons to attend the Community Prayer Breakfast on Saturday, March 31, 1990, at the Rosemead Community Center beginning at 8:30 a.m. There being no further action to be taken at this time, the meeting was adjourned at 8:56 p.m. The next regular meeting is scheduled for March 27, 1990 at 8:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted: APPROVED: C(i Xtl)aAi2ci✓_ C' y Clerk MAYOR CC 3-13-90 Page #6