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CC - 09-26-89APPROVED MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING CITY OF ROSENIEAD ROSEM.EAD CITY COUNCIL DATE SEPTEMBER 26, 1989 'BY The Regular Meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called to order by Mayor McDonald at 8:04 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California. The Pledge to the Flag was led by Mayor Pro Tem Imperial. The Invocation was delivered by Councilman Bruesch. ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS: Present: Councilmen Bruesch, DeCocker, Taylor, Mayor Pro Tem Imperial, and Mayor McDonald Absent: None APPROVAL OF MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 12, 1989 - REGULAR MEETING MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of September 12, 1989, be approved. Councilman Bruesch requested the following additions be made to the minutes; on Page #1 regarding the presentation to Ingleside Hospital... "Councilman Bruesch noted that the public needs to be aware of the crisis in the funding of mental health programs." and Page #3, eighth paragraph, "Councilman Bruesch reviewed the parking space per room ratio and the results of an informal poll taken on the vacancy rate of motel rooms in Rosemead showing an average occupancy of less than 50%;....." There being no objection, this was so directed and vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: McDonald The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Mayor McDonald noted that he had been absent from that meeting. PRESENTATIONS: The Council presented framed reproductions of the program from the dedication of the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial to the families of the soldiers memorialized. A proclamation was presented to Vern and Leanna Chesterton, Go-Go Dodgers Fan Club, for their work with youth groups in the City. Mr. Chesterton thanked the Council and complimented the participating young people on their deportment. I. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS A. Robert Angles, 9147 Valley Boulevard, reported a problem with a tree at his property's sidewalk. Mr. Angles stated that he had written to the Council and City Manager previously, but had not received any response. Mayor McDonald directed staff to meet with Mr. Angles to investigate and resolve the problem. II. PUBLIC HEARINGS An explanation of the procedures for the conduct of public hearings was presented by the City Attorney. The City Clerk then administered the oath to all those persons wishing to address the Council on any public hearing item. CC 9-26-89 Page #1 A. A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FROM GENE-JAC, INC. FOR TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 47576 IN ORDER TO SUBDIVIDE AN EXISTING PARCEL INTO 8 LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY PURPOSES; ZONE CHANGE CASE NO. 89-167 FROM R-2 TO R-1 ZONE; A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT FROM OFFICE TO LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION; AND ZONE VARIANCE CASE NO. 89-198 TO PERMIT 42 FEET IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED 50-FOOT LOT WIDTHS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7504 THROUGH 7528 COLUMBIA STREET, ROSEMEAD The mayor opened the public hearing. Speaking for the applicant was Chuck Lockman, Civil Engineer, requested approval of this project to allow residential rather than office use at this location. Mr. Lockman stated the preference of constructing a cul-de-sac street with individual homes instead of a flag-lot development. Speaking against the project was Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar Avenue. Mr. Nunez was opposed to a 42-foot width being proposed for two of the lots in the project. Mr. Lockman rebutted that lot widths of 40-45 feet are common in that area and reiterated his opinion that a cul-de-sac is a more favorable project than using flag lots. There being no one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed. Gary Chicots, Planning Director, stated that the average width of the two lots in question were 42 feet and explained the process of arriving at that figure. Mayor Pro Tem Imperial was concerned with a 42-foot width being requested and the generation of additional traffic in the area. Councilman Bruesch requested that future owners be made aware that these homes could become surrounded by offices or commercial uses. Mr. Lockman responded that Mr. Bruesch's request could be added to the covenant required and made a condition of approval. Councilman DeCocker stated the preference of a cul-de-sac over the use of flag lots. Councilman Taylor was concerned that a precedent for a lesser width would be set by this action. Mr. Taylor also had reservations about having a residential project placed in a mixed-use area of the City citing a problem with parking on the street. Mayor McDonald commended the Planning commission on its evaluation of this project and stated the preference of a regular street as opposed to an association street. There being no further discussion, the following ordinance was presented to the Council for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 649 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD APPROVING A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM R-2 TO R-1 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7504 THROUGH 7528 COLUMBIA STREET MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DeCOCKER that ordinance No. 649 be introduced by title only and that reading in full be waived. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, McDonald, Bruesch No: Taylor, Imperial Absent: None Abstain: None CC 9-26-89 Page #2 0 The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Taylor and Mayor Pro Tem Imperial noted that they had voted against the project and were not asking for the ordinance to read in full. III.LEGISLATIVE A. RESOLUTION NO. 89-53 - CLAIMS & DEMANDS The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 89-53 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $390,922.92 NUMBERED 25058-25088 AND 26184 THROUGH 26282 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DeCOCKER that Resolution No. 89-53 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. B. RESOLUTION NO. 89-54 - AFFIRMING THE DENIAL OF AN APPEAL BY LIN MAY CORPORATION FOR A MOTEL ON MISSION DRIVE The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 89-54 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD DENYING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 89-446 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 92-ROOM HOTEL AND 4,000 SQUARE-FOOT RESTAURANT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 8930 E. MISSION DRIVE, ROSEMEAD MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DeCOCKER that Resolution No. 89-54 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Bruesch requested that staff be directed to contact this property owner with the thought of constructing a major supermarket at this location. Mr. Bruesch also directed staff to report to the Council on its progress toward this goal. C. RESOLUTION NO. 89-55 - AUTHORIZATION TO FILE APPLICATION FOR PARKS AND RECREATION GRANT The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 89-55 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD APPROVING THE APPLICATION FOR GRANT FUNDS FOR THE PER CAPITA GRANT PROGRAM UNDER THE CALIFORNIA WILDLIFE, COASTAL, AND PARK LAND CONSERVATION ACT OF 1988 FOR REFURBISHING/EXPANDING THE PLAY AREAS AT ROSEMEAD DELTA MISSION PARKS AND THE ROSEMEAD COMMUNITY CENTER CC 9-26-89 Page #3 MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that Resolution No. 89-55 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Bruesch suggested that $35,000 was a lot of money to pay for sand. Michael Burbank, Director of Parks and Recreation, responded that the sand would be used for several of the City's playgrounds. D. RESOLUTION NO. 89-56 - SUMMARILY VACATING A FUTURE STREET - RALPH/MUSCATEL The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 89-56 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD SUMMARILY VACATING FUTURE STREET PORTION NORTH OF RALPH STREET AND WEST OF MUSCATEL AVENUE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL that Resolution No. 89-56 be adopted. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. E. ORDINANCE NO. 650 - APPROVING TRANSFER AND ASSIGNMENT OF CABLE TELEVISION FRANCHISE FROM FALCON COMMUNICATIONS TO CENCOM CABLE TELEVISION, INC. - INTRODUCE The following ordinance was presented to the Council for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 650 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD APPROVING THE TRANSFER OF THE CABLE TELEVISION FRANCHISE FROM FALCON COMMUNICATIONS TO CENCOM CABLE TELEVISION, INC. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that ordinance No. 650 be introduced by title only and that reading in full be waived. Before vote could result, Mayor Pro Tem Imperial stated his dissatisfaction with Falcon Television's failure to honor its contract with the City, including the promise of a local office. Councilman DeCocker asked if any rate increases were contemplated. Bob Owen, Senior Vice-President of Cencom Cable, stated that no increases were being planned in the immediate future but that when there were any, the Council and subscribers would be notified in advance. Mr. Owen stated that any discounts currently in place for senior citizens or handicapped residents would continue to be honored by Cencom but that such discounts would not be offered system-wide. Mr. Owen also cited Cencom's belief in the local access concept and would be working with the residents to accomplish that goal. Councilman Bruesch requested that Cencom's philosophy regarding local access be given to the City in writing. CC 9-26-89 Page #4 0 0 Mayor McDonald requested that staff meet with Cencom to work out the remaining problems with the cable television provider. Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar Avenue, was concerned that the original contract with Falcon Television had not been honored. There being no further discussion, vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. IV. CONSENT CALENDAR (CC-D AND CC-G REMOVED FOR DISCUSSION) CC-A AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE MANAGEMENT IV CONFERENCE, NOVEMBER 6-8, 1989, IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA CC-B ACCEPTANCE OF STREET EASEMENTS FOR KELBURN AVENUE CC-C AUTHORIZATION FOR CITY CLERK TO ATTEND LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES NEW LAW AND ELECTION SEMINAR, DECEMBER 6-8, 1989, IN MONTEREY CC-E RED CURB FOR CURBSIDE MAILBOX AT POST OFFICE ON THE CORNER OF PINE STREET AND NEWMARK AVENUE CC-F REQUEST TO PURCHASE "DISCOVER ROSEMEAD" BANNERS MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL that the foregoing items on the Consent Calendar be approved. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. CC-D EXTENSION OF AGREEMENT FOR STREET TREE MAINTENANCE Councilman Taylor requested that in the future, paragraph 16, Cost of Living Adjustment, be removed from the contract. Councilman Bruesch stated the opinion that it was Council policy to put any contract out to bid after three years. City Attorney Robert Kress suggested that the Council approve this extension with the deletion of paragraph 16 and place the contract out for bid in one year. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL that the Council approve a one-year extension with Evan's Tree Service including a ten percent cost of living adjustment; remove paragraph 16 relating to cost of living adjustment from future contracts; and put this contract to bid upon expiration. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilman Bruesch asked that a list of maintenance contracts be prepared for inclusion in the budget packets, presented at the time of the preliminary budget study session so that the Council will be aware of what contracts will be expiring during that fiscal year with the beginning date of said contracts. CC-G AWARD OF BID FOR BUS SHELTER MAINTENANCE CC 9-26-89 Page #5 0 • Councilman DeCocker requested clarification that sidewalks in the shelters will be included in the once-per-quarter steam cleaning of shelters referred to in the bid specifications. Terry Slimmer, General Manager of Community Transit Service, agreed that the sidewalks would be steam cleaned, also. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DeCOCKER, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL that the Council accept the bids and award the contract to Community Transit Services, Inc. in the amount of $25,308.00. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. V. MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION A. REQUEST FROM MODERN SERVICE TO INCREASE DUMP FEE SUBSIDY Mayor McDonald presented a brief overview of the problems that trash collectors are experiencing with the lack of adequate dumping facilities. Councilman Taylor stated the opinion that dumps are becoming a monopoly and that the increasing rates being charged by dump operators are tantamount to price gouging. Councilman Bruesch noted that some addresses are taking advantage of the unlimited pickup policy and that these actions should be investigated. Mr. Bruesch also requested that Modern Service conduct a route survey to discover if a method can be determined to increase efficiency that would allow the trucks to reach the local dump before it closes. Another concern expressed by Mr. Bruesch was that there was no way to verify that the tonnage being charged to Rosemead actually comes from Rosemead, possibly by having someone physically follow the trucks for a limited period of time. Councilman Taylor requested a copy of the list referred to by Mr. Bruesch. Mr. Taylor agreed with the points raised by Mr. Bruesch but was unsure how they could be implemented. Jim Donohoo, representing Modern Service, presented information showing that Modern Service is paying more money to dump Rosemead trash than the amount it collects from Rosemead residents, including the City's subsidy, for picking up that trash. After some discussion, it was MOVED BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DeCOCKER that this item be tabled for thirty days; that Modern Service implement a load management program to allow the trucks to reach the local dump before it closes; that staff investigate to determine if residents are abusing the unlimited pickup service and, if so, to charge those addresses an extra fee; and to direct staff to develop a procedure whereby verification is provided that the tonnage being charged to Rosemead actually comes from Rosemead. At the end of the thirty-day period a retroactive increase would be considered. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so.ordered. In related action COUNCILMAN BRUESCH th collection no earlier in order to ascertain arriving at the dumps it was MOVED BY COUNCILMAN DeCOCKER, SECOND BY it Modern Service be allowed to begin trash than 5:30 a.m. for a trial period of thirty days if this extra time for pickup will aid in earlier. Vote resulted: CC 9-26-89 Page #6 Yes: DeCocker, No: Imperial Absent: None Abstain: None • Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch The mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. VI. STATUS REPORTS - None VII.MATTERS FROM OFFICIALS A. REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER TIRRE FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that the Council reappoint commissioner Tirre to a two-year term on the Traffic Commission. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. B. REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER KNAPP FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM IMPERIAL, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH that Commissioner Knapp be reappointed to a two-year term on the Traffic Commission. Vote resulted: Yes: DeCocker, Taylor, McDonald, Bruesch, Imperial No: None Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. C. "CITY PRIDE MOBILE BUY BACK PROGRAM" AND APPLICATION FOR STATE FUNDING OF PROGRAM VERBATIM DIALOGUE FOLLOWS: TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. In reading over this proposal, what is the quarterly pickup? I need that explained as far as what groups are going to be doing this quarterly pickup. BRUESCH: Let me give you a little bit of time line on this. First of all, there is a question of whether there will be enough work. Basically, during the first two or three months the program will be set up, getting all the printed materials, lining up the price for unintelligible and so on. The last three-quarters of the program would be the pickup of the recyclables, setting up the system of picking it up and taking it in to the recyclables. There also would be three, possibly four, of what we call the community pride clean sweeps. Part of the person who is in charge of the whole program, part of his job, would be to not only sell recycling but also sell community clean sweep to the various organizations that he deals with. Now, I'm not saying that every organization that recycles is also going to help with the community clean sweep. However, it's been the experience of for instance, Norwalk and Maywood, who have had programs very similar to this, that it's those very groups that we are dealing with with recycling programs that are also the groups which provide the manpower for the community cleanup.... TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. What cities have this program in operation, right now, as is? BRUESCH: This is.... none. None. But there are many cities that have programs that are supported by the Council for community clean sweeps. CC 9-26-89 Page #7 • • TAYLOR: So, there is no way we can actually monitor this or see how it's worked in other cities. BRUESCH: You can monitor mobile recycling centers in other cities because there are some. You can monitor community pride, community cleanup campaigns in other cities because they exist also, on a quarterly basis. TAYLOR: On a quarterly basis, you're saying. BRUESCH: Yes. They have them four times a year. Some cities have bi-year, sometimes they only have them once a year. TAYLOR: Now, there's a Boys Club in-kind portion. The Boys Club is going to donate or pay this fifteen-man work crew four hours for four days at $5.00 an hour? BRUESCH: In-kind means supervision which is attenuated function already being done. TAYLOR: Explain that. In-kind contribution. To me they're going to be paid $5.00 an hour. BRUESCH: No. These are volunteer people. TAYLOR: Then why is it even in here? IMPERIAL: Why is the Boys Club and maybe not the Rebels, also? And the RYA and.... BRUESCH: They all will be. TAYLOR: Why is it even in there? It shouldn't be in there. It's misleading. BRUESCH: No, it isn't misleading because....... TAYLOR: If it's all volunteer work then why list it? BRUESCH: I see that Don Riddle left but we are planning the third clean sweep and right now, all of the people that are participating in it are coming from the Boys Club. TAYLOR: Okay, that's in-kind. Let's go to the top of the page. Fringe package for the hired director, $4,000. Well, that's an in-kind. Is that volunteer or is that cash? BRUESCH: No, that's what the City would pick up under..... TAYLOR: Then how can you tell me that everyone of these is in-kind? Insurance for the vehicle, $3,000. This is City in-kind. All of a sudden, we get down to Boys Club in-kind, it shouldn't even be there. It should be blank if it's all volunteer. To me that says that there's going to be $2,000 come out. Anybody looking at this go to the middle section. Chamber in-kind portion; meals, rewards for clean sweep participants, $2,000. Vehicle for clean sweep, $250 per day, in-kind. All of a sudden your club, the Boys Club, those dollars aren't real. It's deceiving. It shouldn't be there. It should just be blank. And then, as Mr. Imperial says, the Rebels could have their organization; the RYA; the American Youth Soccer Organization.... BRUESCH: If I may explain it. When they're dealing with a funding agency, whether it be the State, the County or the Federal funding agencies, they expect a commitment on the fundee, the person receiving the funding. That funding can be either of real value or of in-kind value. What we're talking about is showing the reader of the program that there is that commitment already there. The reader of the program doesn't really care whether it's real dollars or volunteer dollars. That's what the purpose of in-kind is. To provide the reader of the proposal the information that the community will support it with manpower and a commitment of resources. That's all it is. CC 9-26-89 Page #8 TAYLOR: And then you get to the next page, here. Budget for grant. Director, $1,750 a month or $21,000 a year. Now, all year long if you have your volunteers coming in from the Boys Club one day every three months or whoever else gets involved, who is this director that's getting the $21,000 a year? BRUESCH: He will be the one that organizes the whole program. That program is not something that can be done on a volunteer basis. I think if you talk to the people who have been dealing with the city pride committee, it's just impossible to run something like that on a yearly basis only on volunteer efforts. You cannot run a recycling program and a community cleanup program on volunteer efforts, alone. What's going to happen is that this person who's going to be hired to do this, not only will run these two programs, but will also be allowed to get that data that we just talked about; about tonnages and where the trash is coming in from and reduction in tonnages; all those types of facts and figures that we need without hiring a consultant from outside. All that type of information about what is happening in the waste haul markets. All that type of information that when we go into contract RFPs in a couple of years, we probably will have to hand over, without this person being on staff, hand off to a consultant to the tune of $30,000 or $40,000. TAYLOR: All right, take off what the Boys Club in-kind contribution, $1,900. The program, as detailed here, is roughly $60,000, a little over. So, that still comes up with $58,000 and we can't use that in-kind contribution because the City's going to pay for most of their items. The Chamber's going to have to pay for most of theirs. It's a $60,000 cost, roughly, for the year. But it goes deeper than that. In reading the program, what happens say, if I was to save aluminum cans and get a couple of bags. Could I take them over to this center and get paid for it? BRUESCH: You could donate them to any of the groups that are participating. If you wanted to donate to the Boy Scouts, or who are participating..... TAYLOR: Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean? Donate to who? BRUESCH: To those groups that are participating. TAYLOR: Now, what if the average consumer resident in the City of Rosemead, when they're sorting out and a lot of this is going to come from those homes, aluminum cans and whatever, what if the resident saves it up and gets a couple of barrels or bags and wants to redeem them? BRUESCH: Okay. He has the choice of going to the local redemption center and get the money himself or under this program, donating it to a senior citizens group that is participating..... TAYLOR: Explain this to me. Under Section collection program shall pay any redemption redemption bonus to the consumer." I'm the resident of the City of Rosemead. Any drop is not eligible to receive any sum paid pur it.... 14573, "No drop off or value or any applicable consumer. I'm the off or collection program auant to Section and then BRUESCH: That is a commercial drop off program that is...... TAYLOR: It doesn't say that. It says consumer. BRUESCH: But that's what it is. TAYLOR: Now, the program in effect you street and they'll give you a penny for the Anita and they give me four cents a can. BRUESCH: Exactly. That's what I'm saying. go to Alpha Beta across the can. I go over on Santa There's a lot of..... CC 9-26-89 Page #9 • • TAYLOR: Let me read something else to you, now. On page sixteen. "The operator of_a certified and all these people have to be certified to get into the program, in other words, the local businessman, if he doesn't go along with the certification, then he doesn't get the bonus, penny or whatever it may be. BRUESCH: Absolutely. Does not. You're right. TAYLOR: It states here "The or any person having paid any aluminum as listed in the Ame paid for glass and plastic an the portion of the processing recycler as specified." operator of a certified recycling center amount above the scrap value for rican Metal Market publication or having amount above the amount identified as fees which are the costs for the BRUESCH: Get to your point, Gary. What exactly are you trying to say with this? TAYLOR: What I'm saying is the recyclers...you will take it to these people when you can go to the existing recyclers and get four cents a can compared to the State recycler across the street which is only giving a penny. BRUESCH: What this is proposing is exactly the opposite of what you're saying. This is exactly why the proposal's being put. If these people were to take it to the designated recycling centers in your stores, you're right, they would only get a penny. In order to get the optimum value for those cans and bottles, and even for the newspaper, whatever is part of the recycling program, they have to take it to Tyler Avenue or down at the Alcoa center. But they also have to go another place to drop off the bottles and another place to drop off the newspapers. TAYLOR: And they can do that today, and get the..... BRUESCH: They absolutely can. But the fact of the matter is that they aren't doing that. Ninety-nine percent, ninety-five percent of your people don't want to go all over town to take their recyclables.... TAYLOR: But when you make it a mandatory program and the.... BRUESCH: This isn't mandatory. TAYLOR: It never is. But the whole concept of it, the cover page by reference, mandatory recycling by 1991. All I'm saying is that when it does become mandatory these laws are already in effect and you're locked in to whatever the recycler..... BRUESCH: And if we have this program when it is mandatory, Gary, then you have your consumer not offered one choice of you separate and put it out in front of your house but now they have three choices. They either separate and put it out in front of their house, or they go around town in the little old car and get their money for each item, or they can give it to the local youth group or senior group that will allow them a little chance to help these groups out to make a little extra money for themselves. TAYLOR: I don't begrudge giving to anyone. I'm talking about the 14,000 residents in the City that will be bound by all the restrictions within this particular program. BRUESCH: What are the restrictions? TAYLOR: If you haven't heard them by now then you're not going to. IMPERIAL: We've been at this thing, round and round. As far as I'm concerned it's inadequate. It doesn't give an option to all the youth groups in this community. BRUESCH: It does give them an option. CC 9-26-89 Page #10 IMPERIAL: That's what you say, Mr. Bruesch. BRUESCH: I'm sorry, Mr. Imperial. It does. Because for the simple reason that when we set up this program, if we set up this program, if we even get the funding, any group can participate. Any group. IMPERIAL: I get the feeling it's being tailor made for just a certain group. BRUESCH: No, it's not. IMPERIAL: As far as I'm concerned it's not adequate. TAYLOR: Again, the biggest.... there's not a single city that we can and ask what has happened with the scrap metal dealers, what has happened with the certified recycling centers. I told you last week, Bob, I'm for the recycling but I don't want somebody to come in and get it locked in on a monopoly where the residents end up having to sort their trash in two years it's going to come to that. BRUESCH: Yes, it is going to come to that. Why not have a program in place so, when the State says you must do it we've already started it. And we don't have to follow what they say. We already have a program. This is what this is all..... TAYLOR: I don't approve of all.... when I asked for it last week... that's an inch thick. And to go through all the different sections, what has to be a certified recycler. If the market doesn't do it across the street they will be fined $100 per day. BRUESCH: But offering only one cent per..... TAYLOR: And I can go down the street and get four cents but if they don't join up the State will fine them $100 a day. That's garbage. BRUESCH: That's what we're talking about. TAYLOR: You either join our plan or you pay $100 a day. That's extortion almost. BRUESCH: That's what it's going to be. TAYLOR: Well, I won't go for that. And that's what's in this information. BRUESCH: This program operates on the idea that you don't have to go there and get the one cent. We can take those recyclables from any group, any group in the City, and go to anywhere where the price is the highest and help that dance club, that senior citizen organization, that youth group to get the highest price for their particular..... TAYLOR: Once you sign up to the program, as far as if you're in...you're working with a certified..... BRUESCH: A one-year program. TAYLOR: Well, show me where it's working. I don't want to be the guinea pig. I don't want the residents of this City to be the guinea pig. If it's working somewhere then we can.... BRUESCH: What does it cost us? TAYLOR: It's $60,000 to start with. BRUESCH: Where is that money coming from? TAYLOR: The typical taxpayer. BRUESCH: No. It isn't. The money is coming from all those deposits on containers..... CC 9-26-89 Page #11 TAYLOR: Baloney. How many did you say there were? There's $638,000 divided by how many cities? BRUESCH: They had 69, 70.... TAYLOR: And you mentioned that some of them get up to $90,000? BRUESCH: It depends on the cyclers. TAYLOR: So, you divide those numbers whether it be 70 into $700,000, that's $10,000 per city. BRUESCH: Not all cities get funded. TAYLOR: Some of them get $90,000. Are we going to get our $60,000? BRUESCH: We only applied for $30,000. McDONALD: Bob, why don't you withdraw this and get a summary on it so we.... BRUESCH: We can't. It's a funding thing. It has to be done this week or we don't go up to the State. McDONALD: Gary's pointed out some things taken out of context here since we don't understand the entire package because it is so thick. It looks as though it is forcing..... BRUESCH: We have just spent two hours arguing about the cost of a dump subsidy that is going to be a million dollars next year. McDONALD: Bob, you're on the trash committee. You understand that. You've been through this and understand this. From us perusing it and going over it, it looks like it locks certain people in.... BRUESCH: What does it lock in? There's nothing locked in. McDONALD: As far as the fines are concerned if someone doesn't get on there ...we see that down the road. BRUESCH: No. No. There is nothing.... this law is already on the books. They are already locked into this. TAYLOR: We're not locked into it, yet. BRUESCH: Yes, we are. That market across the street is locked into this bill. TAYLOR: That market is, you're right. They're paying one cent; the business down the street is paying four. BRUESCH: Yes, that market is. This is not locking us into this at all. TAYLOR: I disagree. I can understand you wanting the program but I won't vote for it until I can see it in operation for other cities. BRUESCH: Then well always be on the caboose of everything and we'll always be paying what the State tells us to pay. DeCOCKER: It's only a one-year program. Somebody has to start these programs, someplace. If you keep the attitude that you want to see what somebody else is doing, sometimes these things never get off the ground. McDONALD: And we're not sure that we would be getting a grant, anyhow, right? This is an application? BRUESCH: This is just an application. We may on the bottom or we may be on the top. Who knows. CC 9-26-89 Page #12 • i TAYLOR: The opening comment. Read the first paragraph. It states here "Resolution No. 89- Now therefore be it resolved that the City Council of the City of Rosemead fully supports all projects within this said proposal." One hundred dollar a day fine for business. BRUESCH: No. TAYLOR: Ah, baloney. It says we support this proposal and that proposal incorporates this inch-thick stuff. BRUESCH: That is already the law. That is already on the books. It is already the law for every producer of bottles and cans. Already the law. They're already under that law. It is already the State law. If you opened up a market and produced any bottles,, automatically you're under this law already. It was promulgated in 1988. If you have a market that sells bottles and cans you already have to comply with this. You think this is thick... it's already the law. McDONALD: Bob, let's cut this a little short. This is an application. If we say okay tonight and go ahead and try for the application and they offer us the grant we can always say no at the time they offer us the grant. So, why don't we, in the meantime, between the time that you apply and if there's acceptance with this there's going to have to be an adequate explanation of this program. So, make your motion, please. BRUESCH: I'll move that we approve the submittal. McDONALD: We have a motion on the floor to approve the submittal for application of this program. Do I hear a second? DeCOCKER: I second the motion. McDONALD: Vote, gentlemen. Yes: DeCocker, McDonald, Bruesch No: Taylor, Imperial Absent: None Abstain: None The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. I'd like this conversation in the minutes, verbatim. McDONALD: So directed. TAYLOR: This program has the State coming in and monitoring every glass bottle, every aluminum can, and only time will tell. We had our vote tonight and.... McDONALD: We haven't done anything except okay the application for the grant, Mr. Taylor. At the time we get.... Bob is going to make an effort to get us a summary of this and have the person in charge of the program..... IMPERIAL: I want the City Attorney to give us a written interpretation of this regarding the legality as far as locking in and what have you once we get this grant approved, if it's approved. ROBERT KRESS, CITY ATTORNEY: Why don't we defer that? If the grant is offered and awarded then there will be a complete analysis of the grant documents. END VERBATIM DIALOGUE D. COUNCILMAN DeCOCKER 1. Requested a progress report on the use of the Angelus Street property as a low-income housing site. CC 9-26-89 Page #13 Donald J. Wagner, Assistant City Manager, stated that the City Manager has been working with some financial consultants to work out an arrangement whereby the Agency can go out and sell some notes and possibly create a housing authority for the administration of senior housing. Mr. Wagner added that the City had been waiting for the lawsuit between the County of Los Angeles and the Agency to be settled before proceeding since that outcome could affect any sale of notes and now that a settlement has been reached, the City is able to proceed. Mr. DeCocker requested this information to be provided at the next meeting. 2. Asked if the City had considered purchasing the west slope of Walnut Grove Avenue from Caltrans. Mr. Wagner stated that this was a possibility that would be investigated. VIII.ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None There being no further action to be taken at this time, the meeting was adjourned at 11:03 p.m. in the memory of Murray Zwick, an entrepreneur for fifty years in the City of Rosemead and who recently passed away. The next regular meeting is scheduled for October 10, 1989, at 8:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted: APPROVED: ~Yct ee ~wt~2 e~/ zJ' Ci,W Clerk MAYOR CC 9-26-89 Page #14