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CC - 11-10-87MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL NOVEMBER 10, 1987 APPROVED CITY OF ROSEMEAD DATE I3Y The Regular Meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called to order by Mayor Cleveland at 8:01 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California. The Pledge to the Flag was led by Councilman Imperial. The Invocation was delivered by Pastor Paul Bengtson, Neighborhood Covenant Church. ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS: Present: Councilmen Imperial, McDonald, Taylor, Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch, and Mayor Cleveland Absent: None APPROVAL OF MINUTES--ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING--OCTOBER 20, 1987 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH to approve the Minutes for October 20, 1987. Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEN PRESENT VOTED AYE. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. APPROVAL OF MINUTES--REGULAR MEETING--OCTOBER 27, 1987 These Minutes were deferred to,the next Regular Meeting on November 24, 1987. I. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE A. Margaret Clark, 3109 N. Prospect, spoke on the man-made earthquake that had been conducted in Whittier recently. Ms. Clark felt that better notification should have been given to the residents in the area, as many had been frightened. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch agreed that the timing had been off and a letter should be sent to the United States Geological Survey citing their insensitivity in not having provided better notification. Councilman Imperial suggested that a letter to Congressmen and Senators might have more effect. The Mayor so directed. B. Eugene Boyd, 3603 Earle, presented information about a buffet sponsored by the Temple Station Booster Club to be held at T & J Restaurant on November 22, 1987, beginning at 1:00 p.m. with a Happy Hour and the buffet scheduled to begin at 2:00 p.m. The proceeds from this event will go to provide a Christmas dinner to show appreciation for the volunteers of the Sheriff's Department. II. PUBLIC HEARINGS The City Clerk administered the oath to all persons wishing to speak at the Public Hearings. A. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ZONE CHANGE FROM R-3 TO C3-D AT 8632 VALLEY BOULEVARD Mayor Cleveland opened the public hearing and asked that anyone wishing to speak on this item should now come forward. 1. Jim Kennington, 1603 Colavo Road, Auburn, California, stated that he was the owner of 8632 Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California. Mr. Kennington stated that a more suitable use could be made for this property if this zone change is granted. CC 11-10-87 Page #1 0 0 There being no one else wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed. The following Ordinance was then presented for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 615 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD APPROVING A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM R-3 TO C3-D FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 8632 E. VALLEY BOULEVARD (ZONE CHANGE 87-153) MOTION BY COUNCILMAN McDONALD, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH that Ordinance No. 615 be introduced on its first reading and the reading in full be waived. Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL VOTE ALL COUNCILMEN PRESENT VOTED AYE. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. B. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF GENERAL PLAN AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE E.I.R. Councilman Taylor asked that this public hearing be continued to the next meeting to allow more time to study the document. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch concurred with Mr. Taylor. There being no objection, this public hearing was continued to the next Regular Meeting on November 24, 1987, at 8:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California. C. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE MUNICIPAL CODE CONCERNING EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN THE M-1 ZONE Mayor Cleveland opened the public hearing, and there being no one wishing to speak, the public hearing was closed. The following ordinance was then presented for introduction: ORDINANCE NO. 616 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ADOPTING REGULATIONS CONCERNING AMBULANCE BUSINESSES Councilman Taylor questioned the intention of opening an ambulance business on Abilene Street, where a residential neighborhood is adjacent to this property. Mr. Taylor expressed concerns with regulating the use'of sirens, when a vehicle left in the middle of the night. Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that was one reason for the requirement of a Conditional Use Permit for this type of business. Each proposed location will be reviewed by the Planning Commission and any necessary restrictions will be written in as a condition before the application is granted and a public hearing will be held. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch also expressed concerns about the noise standards. Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated that this ordinance would allow applications to be made for the use of the M-1 zone as an ambulance dispatching site. The C.U.P. process will handle each application on an individual basis. This process is reserved for any unique form of business that may cause special concerns, and strict requlations requiring a Conditional Use Permit cannot be written in advance. CC 11-10-87 Page #2 a Councilman McDonald stated that based on his professional . experience, emergency vehicles, departing in the middle of night, will rarely utilize their sirens on the way to the site of the emergency. The flasing red lights, with limited use of the air horn, are normally more than sufficient for moving traffic, which is the point of the sirens. Councilman Taylor felt that there should be no problem, then, as long as the noise factors are monitored through the C.U.P. process. Councilman Imperial stated that he had reservations about allowing this type of business in a residential area, and felt that this type of business should be placed adjacent to the fire station. Mr. Imperial stated his intention of voting "NO" on this item. Councilman Taylor again voiced concerns with the possibility of the Abilene location since it is such a narrow street. Mr. Taylor felt that there might be locations elsewhere in the City better-suited for this type of use. Mr. Taylor stated that there was a need for this type of business and he felt that the M-1 zone was probably the best location for such businesses. There being no further discussion, it was MOVED BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH that ordinance No. 616 be introduced on its first reading and the reading in full be waived. Vote resulted: YES: Councilmen McDonald, Mayor Cleveland NO: Councilman Imperial ABSENT: None ABSTAIN: None Taylor, Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch, and The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Robert Kress, City Attorney, asked that the minutes reflect that Councilman Imperial's NO vote is not a vote intended to require reading in full of the Ordinance. The Mayor so directed. III. LEGISLATIVE A. RESOLUTION NO. 87-47 - CLAIMS AND DEMANDS The following resolution was presented to the Council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 87-47 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $401,328.14 NUMBERED 00511-00539/20719 THROUGH 20845 INCLUSIVELY Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch raised the issue of the use of Computran as a Cable Consultant once the cable television system is completed. Mr. Bruesch specified the continued use of Computran as a "watchdog" for the cable system to ensure that all committments by Choice Television are provided. Mr. Bruesch requested a memo from staff regarding the amount of money left in the original budgeted amount for consultant services. The Mayor so directed. There being no further discussion, it was MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN McDONALD to adopt Resolution No. 87-47. Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL VOTE ALL COUNCILMEN PRESENT VOTED AYE. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. CC 11-10-87 Page #3 0 • B. RESOLUTION NO. 87-49 - RESOLUTION APPROVING AN APPLICATION FOR FUNDS AUTHORIZED UNDER SB 821 The following resolution was presented to the council for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 87-49 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD APPROVING THE APPLICATION FOR BICYCLE AND/OR PEDESTRIAN FUNDS UNDER SB 821 AND APPROVING THE ADOPTION OF ITS BICYCLE AND/OR PEDESTRIAN PLAN Councilman Taylor requested that along with this item, the City should consider completing the sidewalk adjacent to the high school on Rosemead Boulevard. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch concurred with Mr. Taylor. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH that Resolution NO. 87-49 be adopted with the proviso that staff be directed to bring back a total package to the Council that would include the construction of sidewalk adjacent to Rosemead High School on Rosemead Boulevard. Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL VOTE ALL COUNCILMEN PRESENT VOTED AYE. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. IV. CONSENT CALENDAR (CC-A AND CC-B PULLED) CC-C AB 6 (CALDERON/TANNER) - DISASTER RELIEF CC-D AUTHORIZATION TO ATTEND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PLANNING CONFERENCE/ESCONDIDO, CALIFORNIA/JANUARY 21-23, 1988 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM BRUESCH that the foregoing items on the Consent Calendar be approved. Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEN PRESENT VOTED AYE. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. CC-A APPROVAL OF AGREEMENT WITH ROSEMEAD BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB VERBATIM DIALOGUE FOLLOWS: TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. I am in favor of this particular agreement. In reading it over, the cover letter, the second paragraph "In addition, Councilman Taylor requested that the Rosemead Boys and Girls Club supply detailed budgets for the last ten years; however, the Board of Directors only had the previous three years' budgets available." Who is in charge of keeping of the budgets? I'm just curious what happened to the previous budgets. CLEVELAND: Is there anyone in the audience who would like to come up and answer the question? Would you please come up? GARCIA: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Councilman Taylor.... CLEVELAND: Would you please give us your name and address. GARCIA: Tony Garcia. I live at 1113 N. Daisy, Santa Ana, California. CLEVELAND: Can you answer that question of Mr. Taylor's, Mr. Garcia? CC 11-10-87 Page #4 GARCIA: Yes, Mr. Mayor. Councilman Taylor, the reason that we only have budgets for the past three years is that the present Board of Directors for the Club has only been in existence for those three years. Greg Alvarado, who is our Executive Director, has been the Executive Director during those three years. It was because of his efforts, as well as this particular group of Board of Directors that we have been able to bring some degree of accomplishment to our efforts. McDONALD: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman McDonald. McDONALD: Tony, how long. has the Boys and Girls Club been funded by United Way? GARCIA: Just the three years. CLEVELAND: Any other questions of Mr. Garcia? TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Taylor. TAYLOR: What we have, Mr. Garcia, on the budget... you've got to have a more detailed budget than this? In other words, for three years, you have got one page, detailing all three years? GARCIA: The document that is before you represents the type of budget that we submit for funding through United Way. TAYLOR: Once we start donating $20,000.00 a year, and every organization that we assist in granting money to, there is kind of a line-item break out of what we have and what it is used for. What I see here, on this particular item, salaries $46,000.00 is what is proposed for June 1, 1987, to June 30, 1988; $7,000.00 in employee payroll taxes; employee benefits, another $4,000.00; that's $56,000.00 in the salaries. I know they have to be there, but I'm looking for what is actually going to be spent on the community. Conferences $2,000.00; office supplies $2,000.00; auto expense $1,600.00; programs and events $6,340.00; insurance $3,000.00. Again, I am in favor of donating some money; but I don't want to get locked in and just say, "Well, we'll put in another $20,000.00." Where is it going to go? How much is it going to be? Is it going to be more salaries, primarily? What goes back to the community? I'm not questioning your integrity, or your intent; but again, we are going to have other organizations and other youth groups and I intend to support them, but I am hesitant to just give you $20,000.00. IMPERIAL: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Imperial. IMPERIAL: I would like to reiterate my previous position on this, and not going back and trying to whip you Tony, with the previous Boys Club and the $128,000.00 in the two-year period, where this City had seen nothing tangible. That could be a point for debate, but there was nothing tangible, as far as I am concerned, and many other people ...I'd like to dwell on the point that you are only one organization of many in this City, and I feel that before we fund this thing, we ought to have representatives from all organizations in this City, which we represent, non-profit organizations, and have them have a chance at that time to say, yes, we want funding too, or no. Because we represent all the people in this community and all the organizations in this community, and not just one. So, I think we are putting the horse before the cart, is what we're doing. I don't intend to vote on this until I see that kind of action. CC 11-10-87 Page #5 9 ! GARCIA: No offense taken, Councilman Imperial. I just say that I know you expressed that sentiment before; when I think of $128,000.00 back in 19...over ten years ago, and put in an inflation factor to it now, what would it represent today. I'm just sorry that I wasn't involved then ...because you are right, that shouldn't have happened. IMPERIAL: I'd like to Council's attention at people involved in this GARCIA: I understand. point out that, and it was brought to this the last meeting, there were responsible thing... IMPERIAL: ...at that time there were responsible people involved, too, including a well known banker in this community, that walked up to me and thought that I was wrong in not endorsing it, and my question to him, at that time was, if one of your clients, one of the people in your bank, came up and said we're short $128,000.00, where is it at, and you said oh, everything is all right, taken care of; he wouldn't be in business too long in this community. I know we have got responsible people involved with it, now, but the fact remains that we had responsible people before. I would still like to hinge on the fact that before we do anything for the Rosemead Boys and Girls Club, we ought to be doing it for everybody or at least give them that opportunity. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Taylor. TAYLOR: Again, I have to question the fact that in 1985, the budget was $49,000.00. And, again, without ...you have the employee benefits, insurance and such; programs and events - $4,325.00 - so it's less than 10% is going out for programs and events. Again, I don't know the individuals, I'm not questioning that. But, it seems like that in an organization of this type it should be we could see the money going back directly to major use for the kids involved. Sure, the programs are going on but most of it is going into salaries. In 1986, the budget was $53,100.00 - programs and events $4,700.00 - so it's about 8% for that year. 1987-88, the budget is proposed at $75,000.00 - programs and events $6,300 - again, about 8% back into programs and events. GARCIA: Well, if I may, Councilman Taylor, I happen to work for a school district which shall remain nameless because of the relationship that has taken place in the past between the City Council and that particular school district. But, I do know that when I speak before parents and not just about`schooi district budgets in particular, but our own program that I do work in for that particular district - when you do a pie sharing chart and I describe my program to parents they see that almost 90% of my program is involved in personnel costs. My program, we provide certain services because of the personnel and even though it looks that, again with the Boys Club, that most of the costs are in personnel, it's in essence the personnel that are providing the program. TAYLOR: Excuse me. Personnel - does your budget break down the number of people and such, which is an important item to me. GARCIA: We didn't do that, because this is the type of budget that we present to United Way, but Greg, our Executive Director, is here. We don't have that big a staff, so Greg would be able to answer any questions relating to... TAYLOR: Mr. Bruesch is saying two people. GARCIA: Basically, in terms of full-time staff and then... TAYLOR: That's the salaries for...what do those two full-time people get paid? I mean it's in your budget... CC 11-10-87 Page #6 0 GARCIA: It's in our budget. • Greg? Would you be able to... ALVARADO: For the 87-88 budget, it was proposed for three people. We're talking about two full-time and one part-time person. TAYLOR: So for three people, it's $56,000.00, is what it adds up to. I need some more information on what this break down is, so we know where these funds are going to be going and a little more detailed explanation, and again, it's not questioning any individual - we're gun shy. TRIPEPI: If I may, Mr. Alvarado, I think what the council is looking for...could you just come to the microphone.... this is Mr. Alvarado, the Executive Director of the Boys Club. What is the salary of the Executive Director? ALVARADO: $24,000.00 1 TRIPEPI: $24,000.00 a year? ALVARADO: Yes, sir. TRIPEPI: What is the other classification? The salary of the other full-time position? ALVARADO: Salary is $12,000.00. TRIPEPI: And the part-time position? ALVARADO: Would be $7,000.00 for the year. TRIPEPI: Okay. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. I'm going to ask again, if those break downs, budget items, be given to the Council. This is not appropriate; we get it from the Chamber, we get it from Mrs. Wyckoff with her organization - what they're going to do with it; we get it from Ingleside Hospital; we get a break down - this doesn't justify what we're going to be doing. And, again, there's many other organizations that I think that they're entitled to funds, also. A lot of that, and you know as well as I do, is voluntary. We had a... I'm going to give an example - maybe it's out of line - but it..a member that is President of the RY Association - he just ran for an office and got accused of misappropriating $28,000.00 which he wasn't even there when it happened. And it is volunteer work. It doesn't affect what you're saying but these people volunteer a lot of time and take a lot of abuse and they have 500 boys and girls up here in the RYA, playing baseball. IMPERIAL: I'd like to back that up, Mr. Taylor. I can certainly agree with that. It's an all volunteer work. They have a lot of supervision there, a lot of time put in and even to the point, like for instance, in the Rebel organization, where they check their grades to make sure they have high enough grades, otherwise they cannot play ball or football, so what I'm saying in reality, there's a lot of effort and time put in there, too. And that's all free. BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Bruesch. BRUESCH: In terms of the difference between a voluntary and professional organization - in a professional organization, and anytime you put that word professional next to it, it connotes that you're going to have labor intensive budgets, you're going to have a CC 11-10-87 Page #7 0 • vast majority of your dollars going into the organization to pay for the professional staff, and they are professional staff because they are trained to work with the people they are working with. In this case, it's trained staff working with kids. One staff member, you see before you, is a trained person who.was sent by the Board to get further training and has been twice, I believe, to get further training. The other staff member is a person who has been trained in our schools, and has been working with kids for all of his adult life. We oppose this to a voluntary organization. when something goes wrong, there's a liability or whatever, it goes back to the Board and the Board is responsible. When you're talking about professional - it refers to the Board but it's the employee who is responsible and, therefore, the Board has the say over what is... actually takes place with the staff and personnel. That is why you have so much money in that sector called salaries. I've seen other youth organizations with the employees, just about the same thing, and you're always going to hear the complaint that gee, that money should be going for the kids. Well, it is because you're getting trained people. You look at the Girl Scout Council with their paid staff up in Sierra Madre, you look at just about any organization, even the Little League people who have their paid staff out in San Bernardino. They have people who are full-time employees to, basically, make sure that the voluntary efforts, and there are a lot of voluntary efforts in all these organizations, are on the straight and narrow, doing what they're supposed to be doing. Therefore, when you get down to one of these type of programs, the direct basis of our small community, you are going to have a very strong committment to salaries because you have a strong committment to providing the best people you can to service the needs of the kids in our community. That's basically why you see that type of money, there. I have no qualms about requiring a budget to have a break down, but I don't think it has to be now. I think it can be as we - our person that we select to sit on that Board - sits on that Board and gets that type of break down on the salary. I can see no reason why not to make that part of the requirement of the agreement. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Taylor. TAYLOR: Again, I'd like to stress more on the...I'm not questioning the qualifications of either of the gentlemen before us but when you take a look at the outstanding reputation and the progress that the Rebels have made and you take Mr. Jess Gonzalez, he's not a paid professional but I wouldn't trade him for anybody, as far as his ability and what he's done for the community. The other fellow that I mentioned, as far as Mr. Vasquez, he's on the Rosemead School Board system, volunteer work, President of the RYA for a couple of years - people like this, that are extremely qualified, dedicated people, they don't get a dime. Again, I'm not questioning that you get paid as professionals for what you're doing but I do question the City starting to fund organizations, and the Rebels are entitled to money, the RYA's entitled to it, if we have a soccer orgranization, they're entitled to it. That's the thing that we have ...we can't be partial. And they're going to be entitled to it; $20,000.00 to you - your paper talks about 500 children - RYA has 500 children every year, the Rosemead Little League continues in the City of Rosemead - they have 500. It's only fair. If we give you twenty, then we're up forty, to sixty, to eighty thousand dollars, and we're going to have to account for it. It's tough to sit here and say it's for the youth of the community and we won't give them money - that's not the issue. We're going to have to be fair and give it to all of them at some time or another. I have strong reservations about just donating $20,000.00 knowing that $50,000.00 of it is going to go to three salaries, or $56,000.00. BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Bruesch. CC 11-10-87 Page #8 o • BRUESCH: Again, there's a difference between a voluntary and professional organization. Voluntary organizations are generally gotten together and incorporated for specific purposes, for specific, narrow, needs of kids. A professional organization has to look at the more global issues - what is needed by the community - and set up programs according to those needs. You look at any other organization in the City and you're looking at an organization that is dealt with soccer, football, baseball - on a part-time basis. TAYLOR: Excuse me. Do you realize what those kids are learning? They're not learning sports, they're learning to get along with people, they're learning integrity, they're learning many, many things. The same thing that the Boys Club... the integrity and the initiative and the responsibility - it's just different ways of teaching them. BRUESCH: But I am talking about the full-time and part-time commitment. You're looking at a program that is a year-round program, that is going to be servicing kids that are not normally involved in sports because they don't participate in those types of sports - at times during the week and during the weekends and during the summer where activities, otherwise are not given to them or provided to them, you know. Basically, one that fills in the gaps that are left by all the other organizations and this is what we're looking at right here. One that has been in our community for at least three-and-a-half years and before - looking at those gaps that exist - those unserviced kids that are still out there with Rebels and all the other organizations, and looking to the community and saying, "Gee, what are we going to do to service these kids;" asking the community in a survey as to what type of programs are needed, receiving that survey and setting up the programs, accordingly. And continuing the survey of the community, changing those programs as the community sees fit. Now, I don't think any other program, in our City, does that like this particular group. I don't think you're going to go to say Rebels, "Well, we don't need football anymore, we need more committment to anti-drugs - let's turn Rebels into an anti-drug program." You can't do that. They're not set up that way. The Boys Club is set up that way so that they can provide those type of services when the needs come. TAYLOR: I think you missed an extremely valid point. The Rebels and those activities keep kids off of drugs. BRUESCH: I just used that as a case in point. I wanted to say that in particular. McDONALD: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman McDonald. McDONALD: Mr. Taylor, as far as the budget is concerned, United Way, anytime it supports any kind of organization within a community, sits down with an evaluation group to look over the entire budget and this actually is the superficial page that goes over the budget that this club or any organization that's sponsored or funded by United Way has to provide to United Way, on a yearly basis and that means it is not just given to them on a flat every year basis, they have to prove that they're providing these services, just like these gentlemen have to prove to us that they're providing the services to the community that we want. But I don't think, as Bob is pointing out, I don't think that you can compare a baseball team or a football team, a soccer team, the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts, and so forth - to the type of professional assistance that groups like the Boys and Girls Clubs provide - Okay, for those kids that don't play baseball, for those kids that don't play football, for those kids that don't have CC 11-10-87 Page #9 0 0 parents at home during the day to go home to, for those kids that are abused, for those kids that are on drugs - these people are trained professionals who give those kids assistance. Sure, you can go talk to your baseball coach about it, but he doesn't have that capability. Maybe he can refer you to something like that, but as we are looking at this club, here, remember that those services throughout the community, throughout southern California, throughout California, and says "Hey, these groups are doing something other than those groups that are supported by the kids and the parents and the volunteer hours and the volunteer monies and little cake sales, and so forth," help those organizations out. This is something that is entirely different - that I see. All right. And United Way sees it that way, and these people are coming to us and asking for some assistance, just to... as an example, the City of E1 Monte, which I am a part of, and I also happen to sit on the Board of the Girls Club director in E1 Monte. The City of E1 Monte gives $20,000.00 - $10,000.00 to the Boys Club and $10,000.00 to the Girls Club as a supportive group, but they don't support the E1 Monte baseball teams, they don't support the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and so forth because those people take care of themselves and they can do that, but this is a different, a different education, a different assistance, a different program, to help kids that aren't involved in those other things and really need it. I think the drug problem, like you say, all these teams, because the kids are part of a team, and a part of a group, they stay out of a lot of that stuff but some kids that aren't part of those groups, they get involved in drugs, need something, and I think the Boys Club and the Girls Club here in Rosemead is providing that. CLEVELAND: Thank you, Councilman McDonald. I'm very concerned about the youth of our community. We know that all of these organizations, such as the Rebels and what have you, are very active in the youth organizations, but they only cover so many people, in other words everybody's kid can't play baseball, they can't play football, and we've got many more children left in the community, here, that don't participate in these games, and I think we definitely should take advantage of every opportunity we have for the safety and the betterment of the community for our youth; and this, in my opinion, is going to be one of the better services that is conducted here in the City of Rosemead. Now, I'm going to vote for this allocation because if it saves only a few children from the use of drugs or the use of alcohol or getting involved in burglaries or any kind of action, that is an illegal action, I think it's well worth the money, and I rather hope that the Council will go along with me on this because I firmly believe that this organization is doing and will do a great job for the community youth. BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. I move that we accept the recommendation to approve, with the proviso that our, all members of the City Council, be provided a line-item budget each year of the expenditures of the Boys Club. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Taylor. TAYLOR: Clarification on Mr. Bruesch's motion, there. That line-item, that budget item. Again, there must be a better break down of what the program includes. And, that's what I've got to find out just where that money is going to be going so that it is going back.... I'm not going to kid anybody ...no director, you or myself, or anybody else can council 500 kids or else you'd be down working at Ingleside Hospital right now, getting a lot more than this. As I say, the program is good to...there are a lot of youths that can't play sports but sports wasn't the idea that I was trying to get across. It's community involvement, working with other kids; they learn a lot of character building, and there's no doubt that some of these kids need a place to go to, that's not the issue. That budget CC 11-10-87 Page #10 ! ! needs to be reviewed. I'm not going to belabor the point. The people who donate their hundreds of hours - some of them every year - tremendous people who don't get paid. That's a big trade-off and I've known these organizations for 10-15 years and year in, year out, those kids come year in and year out - they'll play for 5-10 years, some of them. They do get continually involved and I've seen some of them, just amazed.... I've watched them cry from their first game - the neighborhood kids who couldn't pitch, they got laughed at, they got ribbed, they got taken out of the game, crying, but I watched them eight years later, and just tremendous. There's character building, and again, I'm not stressing the sports,, I'm watching what happens to those kids. I'm sure that there will be a benefit from the program, I just don't know how we're going to monitor it. The one thing we can start with is the budget, to find out who's involved with it and how many people are working. The other thing, you talk about three people in your organization, primarily involved ...you go to any of these baseball, football, soccer, it doesn't matter, and you're going to have 40, 60, 80 adults involved; coaches, managers, assistant coaches - it's not to downgrade what you're doing, you will have certain volunteers helping you, but it's again, we have to manage the strings and when those people, the dollars, those people ask for money, we're going to have to, I think, share some with them, too, which is fine. Mr. Bruesch made a motion. CLEVELAND: Do we have a second to Mr. Bruesch's motion? McDONALD: I second it. CLEVELAND: It's been regularly moved and seconded that we approve the allocation proposed for the Boys Club. Are you ready.for the question? BRUESCH: Call for the question. CLEVELAND: Will you please vote. Vote resulted: YES: Councilman McDonald, Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch, and Mayor Cleveland NO: Councilman Imperial ABSENT: None ABSTAIN: Councilman Taylor TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Taylor. TAYLOR: I'd like the record to show my "ABSTAIN" vote, when we get those budgets, and I want to monitor the $20,000.00 and see what happens in the next year or two, because I have to say that when the other organizations ask for funds, it's only fair that we also give them money. IMPERIAL:, Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Imperial. IMPERIAL: I would like the record to show that my reason for the "NO" vote is I will not be comfortable on voting "YES" on this until such time as all organizations have been contacted and I would like to request the Mayor's chair direct the staff to send a letter out to all the organizations - non-profit organizations within the City - telling them of the availability of funds in this community. CLEVELAND: Well, do you really think this is necessary, Mr. Imperial? CC 11-10-87 Page #11 11 • IMPERIAL: I really think this is necessary, in all fairness, Mr. Mayor. McDONALD: Mr. Mayor. I'd like to object to that. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. I will not object to it. I think it is an idea that ...Mr. Mayor. I think...I don't know that I'd go to the extreme but Mr. Imperial has a valid point. I hate to see it come to this, to tell you the truth, but by the same token we have directly funded a youth organization in the City and how do we be fair about it? Do we just keep it quiet and hope that nobody finds out about it? BRUESCH: Mr. Mayor. CLEVELAND: Councilman Bruesch. BRUESCH: Far be it on my part to recommend against any type of cutting of programs that are going to be of benefit to kids and their families in the community; but, I think it was stated quite frequently here that there are many, many organiations in the State, in the City that do well on their own. I would not mind having an organization coming to us, hat in hand, saying, "Gee, we've tried and we are falling short, you know, we need more equipment," or something like that. Right now, like was mentioned, we are providing a new field to the Rebels, which I'm totally in favor of, because Rebels has struggled and struggled and struggled and given many dollars and hours of their time and effort to keep that field at least, playable. Each year, I see those guys down there, working. Now, we're going to take that strain off their shoulders; that financial strain and that logistic strain off their shoulders because we're going to be providing them a field. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. Let's put that in perspective. That property is owned by the Garvey School Board and it will be used by the Garvey School District during their school activities, and during school hours. The Rebels is a'subsidiary use, they don't control it. So, just put it in perspective, where it is. BRUESCH: Okay. Absolutely. I agree with you. If the school district wanted to be hard nosed about it, they could say, Rebels, take your game and go elsewhere, and they would have to. I don't think any school district is going to do that. But, albeit, we are still providing a tremendous facility for them, and they deserve it - I'm not saying that they don't. We're also providing the Little League with a field down there, which was a tremendous need. They're not going to have to go out and look for property as many, many other Little Leagues have throughout the L.A. area, as our expanding development takes in more and more spaces - they're not going to have to do that, they're not going to have to go and try to buy.a piece of property like some Little Leagues are doing. So, we're providing them that and saving them that expense. So, in a way, we are providing those types of financial remunerations in a roundabout way to those organizations, also. CLEVELAND: Thank you. TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor. Again, what Mr. Imperial was requesting, I think that this issue is important enough that this discussion, I'd like it verbatim, so we'll all understand what we're going to do when the other organizations ask us for help. CLEVELAND: Well, I have no objections to the organizations - if they need help to ask for benefits, so I'm going to direct staff to furnish the information - to send out the letters requesting... MCDONALD: Mr. Mayor. CC 11-10-87 Page #12 CLEVELAND: Councilman McDonald McDONALD: I would suggest that we have a Newsletter saying that we are supporting that we just took and the reasons that we any necessity... 41 write-up in the Rosemead the Boys Club and the vote are doing it. I don't see CLEVELAND: It looks like that should be sufficient. McDONALD: I wouldn't see any necessity for a letter and if the Council wants to make an action on the letter item, I would request that it be on the agenda next time. IMPERIAL: Mr. Mayor. I would request that it be on the agenda the next time, because I want to stand by my stand, that I think each organization should get a letter. So, we should make it an agenda item. CLEVELAND: Thank you, Councilman Imperial. Staff is so directed. Mr. Garcia, you have your first twenty now, spend it wisely. GARCIA: Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you and the members of the City Council for your support. I realize that the vote for funding wasn't unanimous, what I can take to my Board of Directors as being something, somewhat unanimous, is the thing that I've heard over the past few meetings, in terms of the recognition of the efforts of this present Board of Directors. To try, to maybe erase some of the bad taste that resulted from your experiences with the past Rosemead Boys Club. I've heard that, and it's been sincere, and it's something that I know that they will appreciate. I would also like to commend, Mr. Mayor, the members of the City staff which helped prepare.... which transformed what was basically my letter of request into a viable document contract, that would be acceptable to the members of the City Council. To them, I need to acknowledge my thanks and my appreciation on behalf of the Board of Directors, and I need to share with you that you heard some concerns expressed, and they're taken to heart and though they weren't presented before the actual vote for funding, indeed, please consider that those requests will be taken and will be made in an appropriate and timely manner for you. So, thank you very much. CLEVELAND: Thank you, Mr. Garcia. END VERBATIM DIALOGUE CC-B PROPOSED SHOPPER SHUTTLE ROUTE CHANGE Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch stated that he was in favor of this route change, but suggested that more stops were needed on Graves Avenue. Mr. Bruesch requested that staff investigate this possibility of additional stops on Graves prior to turning the proposal over to LACTC for approval. Mr. Bruesch also asked that a transfer policy be established in conjunction with the Monterey Park Trolley, thus allowing Rosemead residents to ride in Monterey Park and Monterey Park residents to ride in Rosemead. Jay Lynch, Community Transit Services, stated that there should be no problem with transfers, since both the Monterey Park Trolley and the Rosemead Shopper Shuttle have free ridership at this time, and transfers would not be necessary on either system. Mr. Lynch also stated that there should be no problem with the liability insurance - CTS, as the operator, would carry the liability. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch requested that staff get together with staff at Monterey Park and make this proposal public knowledge. CC 11-10-87 Page #13 • Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that there are currently three stops on Graves - at Jackson, Del Mar, and San Gabriel. There being no further discussion, it was MOVED BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN McDONALD to approve the recommendation and authorize the proposed changes in the Shopper Shuttle route, and recommend permanent free ridership. Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL VOTE ALL COUNCILMEN PRESENT VOTED AYE. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. The Mayor declared a five-minute recess at 9:20 p.m., and the meeting was reconvened accordingly. V. MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION A. BARTLETT AVENUE PROJECT Councilman Taylor asked that this item be deferred until all necessary signatures for dedication have been received, in order to avoid any problems should one or two not dedicate and insist on payment, while others have already dedicated. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch raised the issue of the drainage on this project. Mr. Bruesch asked if the easements necessary for this objective had been obtained. Donald J. Wagner, Assistant City Manager, stated that the . easements had not yet been obtained and that staff was still working on it. Councilman Taylor requested a memo on the status of the easement acquisitions; specifically why, if there are no problems with acquiring them, they have not yet been obtained when the project has been on-going for over one year. Mr. Taylor also asked that this item be deferred until all necessary signatures have been received. Councilman Imperial requested that the residents be notified as to this action. Councilman Taylor suggested that along with deferral, the reason for the deferral be given, of signatures received as opposed to the number required. The Mayor directed staff to comply with the requests and ordered this item deferred until s signatures have been acquired. VI. STATUS REPORTS A. CHOICE TELEVISION notification of the including the number of signatures still aforementioned zch time as all Donald J. Wagner, Assistant city manager, stated that this item had been presented for informational purposes only, and required no action. The City is waiting for the final report from Computran. Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch stated concerns that once the cable system was completely installed, some form of monitoring would still be necessary, and if Computran could continue in this capacity. Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated that should additional services from Computran be desired, the city should have no problem with establishing this. Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that Computran was still providing a valuable service to the City, and that as long as they were needed on a Consultant basis, he would continue to recommend to the Council, that their services be employed. CC 11-10-87 Page #14 LI VII. MATTERS FROM OFFICIALS A. COMMISSION REAPPOINTMENTS • MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL that Planning Commissioner Robert Young, and Traffic Commissioners Holly Knapp and Dan Tirre, be reappointed to their respective commissions for a period of two years. Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL VOTE ALL COUNCILMEN PRESENT VOTED AYE. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. B. FAIR AUTO INSURANCE RATES Councilman Imperial stated that the rates charged by Insurance companies continue to be exorbitant and the Council might want to consider supporting a resolution that is now pending that would allow auto insurance rates to become a ballot initiative. Councilman Taylor and Mayor Pro Tem Bruesch concurred. The council was in agreement that something needs to be done and staff was directed to get further information on this item. There are at least two bills pending in the legislature that the council might want to support and staff was directed to acquire copies of these when they become available. Councilman Imperial also asked for support of the petition that would allow this issue to be placed on the ballot. Staff was also directed to look into the issue of the anti-trust exemption that is afforded to the auto insurance industry and supply complete information on this to the Council. There being no further discussion it was MOVED BY COUNCILMAN McDONALD, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that the Council support this resolution for fair insurance rates, as well as the petition. Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL VOTE ALL COUNCILMEN PRESENT VOTED AYE. The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. There being no further action to be taken at this time, the meeting was adjourned in honor of all Veterans alive and those who died in the service of their Country at 10:00 p.m., to November 17, 1987, at 7:00 p.m. APPROVED: Respectfully submitted: Qe" 6-e AYO ty Clerk cc 11-10-87 Page #15