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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING
ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL
JULY 24, 1984 AT 8:00 P. M.
APPRO'v Ei)
CITY OIL ROSE:I7IEAD
DATE
BY
The Regular Meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called
to order by Mayor Taylor at 8:00 p. m.,.in the Council Chambers
of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Blvd., Rosemead, California.
The Pledge to the Flag was led by Councilman Bruesch.
The Invocation was delivered by Rev. Walt Jackson.
ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS:
Present: Councilmen Bruesch, Cleveland, Imperial, Tury
and Mayor Taylor
Absent: None
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: June 2, 1984/LAW ENFORCEMENT/VERBATIM
June 26, 1984/REGULAR MEETING
.July 10, 1984/REGULAR MEETING
July 17, 1984/CABLE T.V. STUDY SESSION
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TURY, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLEVELAND
that the Minutes of the June 2, 1984/Law Enforcement Section,
June 26th/Regular Meeting, July 10th/Regular Meeting, July 17th/
Cable T.V. Study Session be approved. Vote resulted:
UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEMBERS PRESENT VOTED AYE.
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PROTESTS.RELATING TO THE
IMPOSITION OF LIENS ON REAL PROPERTY IN CASES WHERE
RUBBISH COLLECTION CHARGES FOR SAID PROPERTY HAS
BECOME DELINQUENT.
Mayor Taylor stated that the Public Hearing was open and
inquired if there was anyone in the audience who would care to
speak regarding the subject matter.
Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated that the Council has
attempted to resolve a problem for the City that'had taken place
several years ago regarding the pick-up of rubbish. The Courts
have said the City must cause the rubbish to be picked up, and
the Contractor cannot stop the pick-up at individual addresses
for those people who do not pay. The City for awhile had tried
to bear the burden of what was thought to be a small amount of
delinquencies, and then it got to be an unmanageable, intolerable
amount. Those who pay their bills were really footing the bill
for the "deadbeats". For that reason the Council has adopted an
ordinance which basically states that if after billing letters
and notice of hearing, the property owner has not paid its just
bill for rubbish collection, his bill will be placed on the pro-
perty tax bill.
James Barrett, 8482 Garvey, stated that he received in June
a rubbish bill with a late fee on it and it was the first bill
he had ever received. It was a bill for 2 months service in the
amount of $87.50. He stated that Mr. Nye the owner of the pro-
perty takes care of the trash with a dumpster out inback of the
property for all of the businesses there that he owns. He stated
that he received a bill for a dumpster which he does not have.
Councilman Tury stated that this man's bill be pulled from
the list for discussion.
Kenneth Nye, owner of the property that Mr. Barrett spoke
about, stated that he has provided trash removal for his tenants
and he improved the size of the container to the 3 cubic yard
dumpster. This bill which arrived two months after Mr. Barrett
was there, is for a dumpster that isn't there and nor have they
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Councilman Tury stated that one of the things that the
Contract with Modern does allow is bin sharing.
Councilman Cleveland inquired if all four of the businesses
use the one bin that Mr. Nye pays for.
Mr. Nye stated that all four use the one bin, and is more
than adequate as it goes out half empty each time.
Ann Formanack, owner of property at 2614, 2616, 2618 River
Avenue, stated that she and her husband have owned this same
piece of property for thirty years.- Their business occupied
2616 River Avenue until 1978 at which time they retired and then
rented out the property. The property 2618 was also rented out.
She received two bills in the amount of $278.18 and one for $169.58
for a total of $477.76 for which no service was rendered. Modern
Service provided rubbish pick-up for all the time they occupied
the property, and when there were tenants they took over. On
July 1st, 1983 the tenant at 2616 vacated the property and has.
been vacant since. The bin is still sitting there, and has never
been picked up. The property at 2618 which was the front of the
property has never had trash service. These two bills,which were
the first bills she had ever received since she retired from busi-
ness in 1978, were received along with the City Ordinance which
she was not ever made aware of. She felt that she should have
been notified about it. She inquired when the Ordinance was
adopted.
The City Attorney stated that it was adopted on February
28, 1984.
She stated that the bills
1st to May 1st of 1984 for both
different amounts and she could
She stated that the bin at 2616
eleven months. She stated that
that has never been provided.
she had received were from January
properties, and,they,are.both in
not__understand -what. they..are for.
River had not been emptied for
she is getting billed for service
Councilman Tury stated that this should be handled at staff
level and requested that this also be pulled from the Assessment
Roll.
Councilman Bruesch inquired if service was automatic with
the ownership of a parcel of property.
Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated yes, as long as that
property is not vacant.
Mike Kalmikoff, 8728, 8734, 8736, & 8742 Ramona, stated
that he had called Modern Service and requested that they stop
service as the property is vacant; however, they have continued
to bill him for the service for all four.
Councilman Tury requested that this be pulled and then
handled as a separate item.
Mayor Taylor stated that Mr. Kalmikoff would be notified
as to the resolution of the problem.
William Nichols, 3806 Walnut Grove, stated that several
years ago Modern Service, stated that there would be no further
rate raises; however, two months later a rate raise became ef-
fective and he continued to pay the old rate. A few months went
by and a car followed the rubbish.truck and told the driver not
to pick up the trash. Letters have been written to Modern Service.
Mr. Nichols stated that he has not had service since 1975, and
they continue to send bills. He has had his attorney contact them
and for awhile things are quiet.
Mayor Taylor inquired how this trash has been disposed of.
Mr. Nichols stated that they have a compost pit in the back
yard and they bury all that cannot be disposed of in other ways.
The cans are crushed and taken to be recycled, and the newspapers
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Councilman Tury requested that Mr. Nichols name also be
pulled from the list and handled separately.
Donald Wick, 8464 Garvey, stated that they do not use Modern
Service Trash pick-up since in their business they have their own
trash trucks and one is sent to the dump daily. Approximately
every six months a bill from Modern is received for $600 to $800
for back monies owed which is three months in advance, and he
throws it in the trash He stated that this has been going on
since 1976 at which time service had been discontinued because
they have their own trash trucks. He stated that they do have
other property in the City and those bills are paid on time;
however, Modern wants their money three months in advance. He
doesn't like to pay for service until it has been rendered.
Mayor Taylor stated that the City had been paying the delin-
quent rubbish bills, and it started.out approximately four years
ago. The first bill was approximately $6000 that the City paid
out of taxpayers money for people would not pay for rubbish pick-
up and last year that amount was up to $40,000 of people not pay-
ing their trash bills. That was the main reason for putting it
on the tax rolls. These people were using the service, but not
paying for it. The Contract stated that it is an exclusive agreement
and that the Contractor must pick-up the rubbish. The taxpayers at
large were paying that bill, and that is why it has gone to the lien
procedure.rather than the taxpayers who have been paying for their
trash service.
Councilman Tury stated that Mr. Wick's name is not on the
list for a potential lien on his property.
Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that the Ordinance
is in effect already and the assurance that you have that a lien
won't be just slapped on your property is that you would be notified
the next time there was a Public Hearing to consider assessments
for trash charges. This process has to be held with a Public Hear-
ing to consider all those delinquents on the list. He added that
payments do not have to be paid three months in advance. As long as
you pay within a reasonable period of time following the month of
service you will be current on your bill and you will not be charged
a late charge.
Councilman Imperial inquired what type of business he was in.
Mr. Wick stated that he was a fence contractor.
Councilman Bruesch inquired how he handled his trash.
Mr. Wick stated that all the trash is separated. All the
lumber is taken to a place in Irwindale where it is recycled,
and all the solid waste is taken to the New Way Land Dump in
Irwindale, and all the other trash is taken to Puente Hills.
It is all construction material.
F. Bernard Dennis, partner, stated that they had a charge
account at the County Landfill and they run 40 tons a month,
and they don't feel the need for additional service. Modern
Service was used at one time; however, their equipment could
not handle the work.
Juan Nunez, 2702 Del Mar, stated that he had been billed
in the past for service not rendered; however, he added that
he was not.against having a lien placed on property when they
have received service and have not paid for their service.
Councilman Bruesch requested information regarding the
provisions for bin sharing and what is considered a vacant
piece of property. He stated that he had received a report
from the Solid Waste Management District of L.A.. County which
emphasized that they are trying to establish recycling as a
viable alternative to expanding waste dumps. Here people are
recycling and being penalized for it.
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Gene Boyd, 3603 Rosemead, inquired if an owner is notified
when a lien of this nature is filed on a piece of property, and
wanted to know if there was a law requiring this.
Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated that a letter was sent
to each property owner advising them of this new ordinance and
new arrangement, and those who were delinquent were given the
opportunity to come here and be heard. No.liens•have been attached
as yet.
Mayor Taylor inquired how they-were given notice to come to
the hearing tonight.
Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated that they were notified
by letter.
Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that by law the owner
has to be notified prior to placing a lien on the property.
Mayor Taylor inquired if anyone else wanted to speak regard-
ing this item.
No one came forward, and the Public Hearing was closed.
Mayor Taylor requested a change on the cover memorandum:
He requested that the date be changed to August 4th from July 31
in order to allow the full 10 day notice.
Councilman Tury,requested that the bin sharing policy be
clarified, and scrutinized.
Councilman Imperial inquired of the City Attorney if it was
a violation of the very intent of the contract with Modern Service
that they should be.billing people for many years of service which
they have not received.
Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated that at this point there
are two sides to all these stories and only one side has been
heard. It is necessary to review the records and bring back a
report, and probably most of the stories heard tonight are true;
however, some involve misinterpretations of the contract.
Mayor Taylor stated that 90% of the people on the delinquent
account list must feel that the charges are ;justifiable or they would
have been here at the Hearing to voice their opposition, and he felt
that the people that were here had very legitimate complaints. They
were not using the service and were being billed for it, and this-has
to be cleared up to stop it from happening again. The majority of-those
on the list are residential service. This was the most equitable
thing that the Council could do to remove it from the overall tax-
payers back.
Councilman Tury stated that when looking at the list for the
past five years many of the names are the same and the average citi-
zen is picking up that tab for those people. The people who owe
the bill should pay for it if they have received the service.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TURY, SECONDED, BY COUNCILMAN CLEVELAND
that liens be placed on those properties excluding those who have
not received service or have extenuating circumstances, those shall
be pulled and worked out individually with staff. Vote resulted:
AYES: Councilmen Cleveland, Imperial, Tury, and Mayor Taylor
NAYES: Councilman Bruesch
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: None
Whereupon the Mayor declared said motion duly carried and
so ordered.
Councilman Imperial
"yes" is because we have
that there are problems.
requested that the record show that his
an obligation; however, his feelings are
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Councilman Bruesch requested that the record show that his
"no" vote was predicated by two things, that he brought up about
this contract. First of .all, he does not believe in paying in
advance for services not rendered, and secondly, he does not think
it is fair that a person who can generate less trash or even no
trash,which is the way our Solid Waste Management District wants
us to go, is penalized when they say they don't want Modern's
service. Actually what the Council is saying to our constituency
is, "don't recycle, don't limit the number of pounds of trash you
put out".
Councilman Tury stated that he did not vote for the contract;
however, it is indeed an obligation of the City to do this as it
has to be done.
Councilman Cleveland stated that he felt that the Council has
been very fair on the subject because it is an ordinance and a law
that has to be enforced. The City is paying for any increases that
is being requested for trash collection in the future for residential
use. The delinquents in addition to the increases for the cost of
landfill use that the City is paying, is a little too much to expect
the City to carry. He felt that the Council has been very fair in
this contract because the City has agreed to assume all of the in-
creases in the rate of trash collections in the future.
Mayor Taylor stated that the comment has been made several
times that this Contract has been in force since 1965, and there
is another 7 years to go for an exclusive contract. He stated
that he felt that he had to vote for this item tonight, in the
sense that he was tired of the taxpayers subsidizing the costs
when knowing the people who can pay for the service are not. He
stated that although he had to vote for this item, in the ten
years he has been on the Council, he has voted against the Contract
each time. It was an exclusive contract that has never been put out
to public bid. The particular item that the Council acted upon was
for those who are using the service, over 90% of the delinquent ac-
counts are using the service and not paying their bills; and for
those it will go on their tax bill. He also stated that he realized
that there was some unfairness and incovenience to those who were
present and protested the billing. He stated that those will be
resolved in the most equitable way possible.
III. LEGISLATIVE
A. RESOLUTION NO.84-43A - CLAIMS & DEMANDS 1983/84
RESOLUTION NO. 84-43A
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD
ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS & DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $677,086.32
NUMBERED 9028-9034, 9040/9042/9043 &9676 THROUGH 9766
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TURY, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL
that Resolution No. 84-43A be adopted. Vote resulted:
UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEMBERS PRESENT VOTED AYE.
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
B. RESOLUTION NO. 84-43B CLAIMS & DEMANDS 1984/85
RESOLUTION NO. 84-43B
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD
ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS & DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $32,457.47
NUMBERED 9035-9039, 9041/9044/9045 & 9767 THROUGH 9803
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CLEVELAND, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL
that Resolution No. 84-43B be adopted. Vote resulted:
UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEMBERS PRESENT VOTED AYE.
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
Councilman Tury requested clarification on warrant no. 9793
and 9036 and he requested that a memorandum be prepared explaining
what these expenditures are for and for whom. He requested that
this be done in the future also.
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C. RESOLUTION NO. 84-44 - APPROVAL OF TENTATIVE TRACT
#43261--3324 N. BARTLETT AVENUE
RESOLUTION NO. 84-44
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD
GRANTING CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF TENTATIVE TRACT MAP
#43261 (A SUBDIVISION OF AN EXISTING PARCEL OF LAND INTO
6 LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY USE) LOCATED AT 3324 BARTLETT AVE.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TURY, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL
that Resolution No. 84-44 be adopted. Vote resulted:
UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEMBERS PRESENT VOTED AYE.
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
IV. CONSENT CALENDAR
CC-A APPROVAL OF TRACT MAP NO. 43261--3324 BARTLETT AVENUE
CC-B INSTALLATION OF STOP SIGNS AT KLINGERMAN & EARLE AVENUES
CC-C AWARD OF CONTRACT/WHITMORE AVENUE
CC-D AWARD OF CONTRACT/NEWMARK AVENUE
CC-E APPROVAL OF PARCEL MAP NO. 16092--3819-23 WALNUT GROVE
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BRUESCH, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL
that the foregoing items on the consent calendar be approved. Vote
resulted:
UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEMBERS PRESENT VOTED AYE.
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
Councilman Bruesch commented on CC-A memorandum which stated
that there was an attached letter and none was attached, and the
same with CC-E which does not have an attached letter.
Donald Wagner, Assistant City Manager, stated that the memo
referred to an attached letter of credit and as a matter of policy,
those are not usually attached to the memorandum. However, if he
wanted a copy of that letter, it would be made available.
Mayor Taylor requested that a copy of that letter of credit
be supplied to Councilman Bruesch. He also asked about CC-E
and inquired if there was anything proposed on this site.
Tom Howard, Deputy City Engineer, stated that as far as he
knew there was no specific plan for development on this particular
subdivision..
Mayor Taylor inquired why there was no tentative map included
in the packet.
John Carmona, Planning Director, stated that a parcel map
would not normally come to the Council. Parcel maps are given
to the Planning Commission as they are delegated the authority
to approve parcel maps. The reason that this is coming to the
Council is because of offers for dedication or bonds.
Tom Howard, Deputy City Engineer, stated that there were
some improvements. There was a sanitary sewer required. Basically,
the Council is accepting the agreement to insure the construction
of sewer improvements.
John Carmona stated that a map of the subdivision would be
placed in each of the Council's boxes. .
V. MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION & ACTION
A. ANGELUS AVENUE
Councilman Bruesch stated that possibly one of the things
that can be done is to put Angelus Avenue through in order to
make it more accessible to the Sheriff's Deputies when there
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Mayor Taylor inquired if there were any calls of complaint
made on the most recent party which was held last Monday?
Lt. Tom..Johnston stated that there had been a call alleging
loud music by an anonymous resident at approximately 3:45 a. m.,
and one unit responded and.the spokesman for the occupants of the
residence inquired if there had been a disturbance call regarding
the loud music, and he was advised that was what they were there
for and they immediately complied. Lt. Johnston stated that the
early morning unit that responded on this call, has been working
that car for approximately six or seven months stated that this
was his third call for that period of time. There has been a
compliance each time and there has been no "return to"
putting up a nice cooperative image upon the arrival of the deputies.
Councilman Tury stated that the residents should be polled to
see what their thoughts are on putting the street through, and since
it is in the Redevelopment Project area it would be a way to clean
that access up. He requested that this be placed on the Agenda of
the next Redevelopment Agency Meeting on August 14, 1984.
Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that the information
was available and would be placed on the agenda for the next Agency
Meeting.
B. DUFF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL/GARVEY PARK
Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that there had been
a question regarding the Facility Use Form, and the Council ha
been provided with a detailed memorandum of what the exact situa-
tion is at Garvey Park and Duff School. Agreements which were in
the file have been attached. aHe .stated that any questions that
the Council might have regarding how the property is laid out.and/
or the Facility Use Request,which is awaiting Council's approval,
would be answered.
Mayor Taylor inquired how many other schools within the City
have a similar situation.
Michael Burbank stated that this is the only school with
this type of arrangement with the City.
Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that this is the only
school in the City that is on the year-round schedule and therefore
would be-requiring exclusive use of this certain park facility during
the summer.
Mayor Taylor stated that the way he read the letter, this
is the only school that is on year-round; however, each year
another school could be added to go year-round without an initia-
tive election. He felt that'it was a political loophole: Although
he doesn't have any objection to allowing this request this year, he
did not want to set a precedent.
Councilman Bruesch stated that he felt that public sentiment
would prevent year-round school. He did not feel that there were
the votes in the individual schools to allow it for all the schools.
Mayor Taylor inquired if Duff School voted on year-round?
Councilman Bruesch stated that they did and the vote was 497
to 51% in favor of year-round school.
Mayor Taylor inquired if there were any budget figures as
to what it will cost to keep that school open.
Councilman Bruesch stated that the amount of money that is
received from the State would be off-set by the expenses. He felt
that more frequent dialogue should be opened.up between the School
and the City so that problems could be foreseen and resolved.
Councilman Tury stated that he felt that the Council has been
put in the middle of the year-round school issue and this was done
without any notification to the City of change in their schedule.
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Mayor Taylor stated that just from the context of the
Agreement it states that the City would be allowed the use
of the property during the summer months and after school
hours and the :contract could be amended by mutual consent. He
felt that to take the word "summer" out of the Contract is
pretty extensive. The full intent of the agreement is completely
eliminated. The only time left for the City would be the after
school hours.
Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that there should
be some consideration given to the City Budget as far as the
recreation program. When the children who are going to school
during the summer, get their vacation and are the only ones
out at that particular time, it will be at a time that the rec-
reation leaders, who work during their vacations from high school
or college, will no longer be available to work at that off-time.
It would be very difficult to find people to work at that time,
and there is no provision in the City's budget for them.
Councilman Imperial requested additional time for further
consideration.
Councilman Tury stated that he understood that the school
district also wanted a 30 foot strip along side of the temporary
buildings to be taken away from the Park.
Michael Burbank, Parks & Recreation Director, stated that
is a proposal that is forthcoming.
Mayor Taylor stated that perhaps no action should be taken
until the School District puts the whole package together.
Councilman Tury stated that he agreed and that he wanted
to see what their total ideas are before making a decision on
this request.
Councilman Imperial stated that the.City should control
all the parks and for all the citizens to have access to all
those parks, and not just give blanket authorization to anyone
else to control it other than the City.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
CLEVELAND that this request be deferred until the School Dis-
trict presents a complete package of requests.and a letter
be sent to the School District making a request for a total
package. Vote resulted:
UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEMBERS PRESENT VOTED AYE.
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
C. RESOLUTION NO. 84-45 - SUPPORTING CITY OF EL.MONTE'S
OPPOSITION TO RAMP METERING
RESOLUTION NO. 84-45
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD
SUPPORTING THE CITY OF EL MONTE'S OPPOSITION TO RAMP
METERING FOR THE SAN BERNARDINO FREEWAY
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN IMPERIAL, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
CLEVELAND that Resolution No. 84-45 be adopted. Vote resulted:
UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEMBERS PRESENT VOTED AYE.
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
Councilman Bruesch reiterated his comments of two weeks ago,
in that he wished there could be provisions in the Resolution that
would also force CALTRANS to clean up those messes at the off-ramps.
He stated that CALTRANS can come into a City and take away homes
by using eminent domain and put freeways through and then ten years
later they can forget about them.
Mayor Taylor requested that the letter that was signed last
week should have the date corrected now that the Council has voted
on it.
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VI. MATTERS.FROM OFFICIALS
A. Councilman Imperial inquired what the status is of the
plan that was sent to the Garvey School.District regarding Rebel
Field.
Michael Burbank, Parks & Recreation, stated that a letter
had been received about two weeks ago requesting additional'in-
formation and the information is being prepared.
Mayor Taylor requested a copy of the letter sent from the
Garvey School District regarding that matter.
B. Councilman Bruesch.requested a memorandum on the bin
sharing policy of Modern Service, and he again suggested a dialogue
with the school district and could possible have a joint meeting
to go over these issues that. were brought up tonight.
C. Councilman Tury suggested that the American Flag be
flown on Garvey and Valley during the Olympics.
Mayor Taylor stated that there is no reason why that could
not be.
There being no objection, it was so ordered.
D. Mayor Taylor commented on the fine job of preparing
the 25th Anniversary Booklet which was to be available for the
festivities held on the 4th of July. It was his understanding
that the books were held up and not put out. Although requests
were taken, he was puzzled that after all the work that Mrs.
Wyckoff had gone through, why the book was not put out for sale.
Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that his only response
was that the books were available for purchase at the City booth
where all of the 25th Anniversary momentos were sold. Rather than
any books being taken out that were sold that day, orders were
taken and money received and receipts were given. The cover page
did not have the City of Hbsemead on it, and those stamps were
put in place today. The books were made available for purchase
in the City booth and has been made available at City Hall, but
they had not been distributed until the symbol was put on the
cover.
Mayor Taylor stated that he did not know of any Councilman
who knew of that decision to withhold the booklet. His concern
was that there were 5000 printed for that 4th of July celebration.
Michael Burbank, Parks & Recreation Director, stated that the
books were there in the booth for sale, and he thought six were
sold.
Mayor Taylor stated that it was his recollection that since
they were for the 25th Anniversary and the books were made avail-
able for sale, that the Chamber was to have them for sale, the
City booth, and the Heritage House. He felt that there was a
breakdown somewhere because that was the whole intent.
The City Manager stated that the books were not distributed
because the books did not have the front logo on it.
Councilman Tury stated that was indeed the reason that the
booklets were to be ready for the 4th of July, and he felt that
it will be difficult to get rid of them now. He felt that the
businesses should be canvassed, the Chamber of Commerce should
take some and there should be an effort made to sell them.
E. Mayor Taylor stated that the District Attorney had sent
a letter'regarding the..Noura.case to the, Council dated June
22nd, and inquired if that was a confidential letter. He
stated that the reason he inquired was that the District Attorney
had sent all 8 deputies copies of that letter.and he was concerned
if it is,a confidential letter why did the eight deputies receive
copies of it.
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Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated that he would like the
opportunity to scan the letter.
Mayor Taylor requested a written opinion tomorrow from the
City Attorney on how this could be classified confidential and
then the deputies receive copies of it.
Lt. Tom Johnston stated that anytime that the District At-
torney's Office makes an investigation on any law enforcement
agency, the specific officers under investigation will receive
copies of the letter.
Mayor Taylor inquired if the eight witnesses would be entitled
to copies of the letter.
Lt. Johnston stated that the subjects under investigation
automatically receive a letter because theyare the subject of
the investigation. The other persons receiving the letter would
be the Officials representing Rosemead. The question whether it
would be available for the public would have to be answered by
the City Attorney.
Mayor Taylor stated that at the last Council Meeting he had
requested a report on the statute of limitations which had not
been available for tonight.
Robert Kress, City Attorney, stated that was merely an over-
sight and would have that information for the Council.
VIII. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
A. Holly Knapp, 8367 E. Whitmore St.,.complimented Michael
Burbank on the 4th of July festivities; however, she had a request
to make regarding the music played during the fireworks. She
wondered if the Stars & Stripes Forever or the National Anthem
could be played instead of some of those that were played. She
also suggested some Olympic Games for the kids since this is the
Olympic year.
Holly Knapp inquired if the Restaurant at the Auto Auction
pays sales tax to the City.
Frank G. Tripepi, City Manager, stated that they did.
.Holly Knapp stated.that she and her mother who lives on
Angelus would very much desire that theistreet"~ go';thr_ough.,to
Klingerman and is willing to dedicate a-portion of her property.
Mrs. Knapp stated that she could see eminent domain being used
for this particular portion of Angelus Avenue from the cul-de-sac
to Klingerman.
Mayor Taylor stated that this would be for public purpose
and not profit making.
Holly Knapp stated that We-tip is coming up, and the dates
for the conference is from September 14th through the 16th in
Ontario at the Red Lion Inn. It will cost $100 for all the seminar
and all the banquets, and encouraged the new Councilmember to go
if it doesn't conflict with his school, and also a representative
from the Sheriff's Department. She expressed her appreciation to
the Council for the allocation in the Budget for We-tip and this
includes the ad for the convention.
. Glenn Clanton, Traffic Commissioner, expressed his appreciation
to the Council for all the effort put in on the Modern Service Con-
tract package, and felt that the citizens do not as yet realize how
much work went into it.
Bonnie Culbertson, Chamber Manager, stated that the Chamber
of Commerce would be more than happy to have any and all City in-
formation.
Councilman Imperial requested that Mr. Burbank come up with
some type of covering for that stage next year.
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Mr. Burbank stated that it has been decided to have nursery
netting.
B. Mrs.Terazzas, 2448 Angelus, stated that the bridge would
be open for the children in September to go to school, and inquired
if Angelus would be ready for them.
Mayor Taylor stated that Angelus would not be ready.
Mrs.Terazzas inquired how they were going to get through
the mud to get to that bridge. She felt that the Council should
see the mess.
Mayor Taylor stated that they have seen it, and that this
item will be placed on the Agenda the first meeting in August.
Mrs.Terazzas inquired if she should circulate a petition.
Councilman Tury stated that it would make it much easier
if the majority of the street wanted to do it.and signed the
petition requesting the street to go through.
There being no other business to be handled, the Council
Meeting was adjourned to the next regular meeting on August 14,
1984 at 8:00 p. m.
Respectfully submitted:
City erk
APPROVED:
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CITY OF ROSE&IEAD
BUDGET STUDY SESSION DATE 7-aY Pzl
LAW ENFORCEMENT----VERBATIM BY
Tripepi: For everyone who hasn't
he runs the stats and the conflex
station. This is Jay Imperial at
Gary Taylor, Mayor.
met him, this is Lt. Bill Mangum,
and the programs that are at the
the.end, Pat Cleveland, Lou Tury,
Tripepi: O.K. for the Council's information on Account 4300, we
have approved Account 190 on the Consent Calendar. So now we will
consider all of the other Accounts from 110.
Bruesch: Mr. Mayor, being this is the first time I've been able
to look through the facts and figures of this program, I am hoping
that it can be explained to me why the figures in our detailed
budget don't match with the figures that were given to us in our
little yellow booklet.
Tripepi: In the last conflex meeting that took place even after
the preliminary budget was together, we made some ...there were some
votes taken by the respective Cities to change the conflex program
which is going to change the figures. That is basically the reason.
There is no reason to hold up the entire preliminary budget to get
those figures..it is more a reflection of policy from the Council on
the level of service that you want to purchase. That is the reason
for the difference in the figures.
Bruesch: What will we be using......
Tripepi: We will be going by the letter. This is the lastest detailed,
the latest figures that we have received from the department so that is
what they are here to speak to you this morning and answer any questions
that the Council might have, and I know that there are some policy
questions that are going to come up this morning and that is what they
are here for to respond to those.
Callas: We will begin the presentation, Mr. Mayor, discussing Conflex
and what lead up to the meeting that Frank was referring to and a brief
discussion on what Conflex means and how it works, and so on. You have
all met Bill Mangum. As Frank indicated, he is the department expert
on Contract Law Enforcement having worked there seven years. I certainly
utilize him quite a bit at the station because of his in depth background
in to the machinery that Contract Law is all about. He is here this
morning because of the questions that might come up about the Conflex
region and the operation. The meeting that was recently held with the
City Managers in terms of the Conflex formula. Also he will discuss
whatever questions you might have and will answer any policy type ques-
tions. If you could begin with the Conflex presentation.
Mangum: O.K. I can elaborate a little bit on the question, Mr. Bruesch,
and that was about the timing involved in the presentation of the budget
figures. The County of Los Angeles is on the same time frame as the
Cities, of course, being on a fiscal year basis. The County has to de-
pend on the Auditor Controller and other various branches of County
Government which is a large, lumbering kind of outfit. It depends on
all of them to put it all together and give it to the Sheriffs Depart-
ment so that we can present final tests figures for the Cities.. In
Some years this actually takes place after July 1. This year we were
fortunate because labor agreements having been two and three agreements
that they were able to come up with final cost figures for our cars
before the end of this present fiscal year leading toward the next
fiscal year. We, also, had to put together a City Managers meeting
to establish the factors and percentages in the formula. Once those
two other elements were known, then we were able to put this letter
together with final costs, with final percentage figures for the re-
gional sharing and to give you a bottom line that you can go ahead and
budget and that will come through in terms of billing. So as it goes,
this is the normal procedure for City Managers to go ahead and put up
their preliminary budget before this stuff is known. Hopefully it is
going to come out very, very close. As far as history goes, this is
a good year as far as this process goes. We have got it all in together
and we are not having to dwell on it after July 1. So I can recognize
your concern that the preliminary budget would state some figures dif-
ferent. I haven't seen Rosemead's preliminary Budget, so I don't know
if it was higher or lower or how we came out. (continued next page)
Page #1
Mangum continues: I can tell you on the basis of this May 29th letter
that this is the gospel right here.
Callas: I would like to say one thing though, these are the rates pro-
posed by the Auditor Controller, the project increases. There may well
be some minor adjustments before the finalized rates occur.which may
well be until September this year. These would more than likely
with very limited variation be the actual rates.
Mangum: Yes, these are the rates, not withstanding any unforeseen or
unexpected action that the Board of Supervisors may take in their budget
hearings. I can't imagine that. this year with labor agreements already
established what that would be. I certainly don't think it would be a
plus as far as benefits to employees and salaries and things like that.
But, you never know, unexpected things can come up. We have no knowledge.
I certainly haven't heard of anything.
We might as well follow the format of the letter. It begins with the
discussion of the Conflex Program and the Conflex formula for 1984-85
and...Before we get into operations and personnel and the way in which
we police the area, I would like to give you a little background on
Conflex.in order to get to the present date. How we got to the formula
that we have and how we changed it this year. Conflex is a program
that went into operation in 1973 and involves five partners, 4 of which
are Contract Cities and the other partner is the County of Los Angeles.
The four member Contract Cities are-Bradbury, Duarte, Rosemead, and
South'El.Monte. Together they are policing operation in Conflex costs
about $6,000,000 of which $2,200,000 is City resources and the balance
is County resources. In terms of. the number of cars it comes out to
14 two man cars,7 one man criminal cars, and 8 one man traffic cars.
Imperial: How many of these are.for Rosemead?
Mangum: Well, Rosemead has the fiscal responsibility for about 48% or
about half of them. So we are looking,at 4 of the traffic cars, seven
of the two man cars,, and 32 of the one man cars. Now', the way they
are put together, their beat patterns are such that they don't follow
the City boundary, but they do generate their time in the.areas accord-
ing to the way we arrange the boundaries. For example if we want to
provide that traffic car according to the percent that South E1 Monte
buys, then we deploy the traffic cars from the South E1 Monte border
to include initial response.in some.of'the County area prior to the
CHP arriving. The same thing is true as far as Rosemead goes. Rose-
mead's boundaries and, some additional County boundaries are the beat
patterns that the cars work in this area. They change from shift to
shift. For example, on the morning watch, early morning, from midnight
to eight in the morning where there are less cars the beat patterns ex-
pand so that the area car #53 will be responsible for more area on a
morning watch than it would be in an evening watch when: there are more
cars. In the evening watch, betweenthe hours of 7•:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m
we will have ...this City will be broken up into three or four beats.
areas and there will be three or.four.cars operating in a much smaller
area. And the dispatcher, of course, assigns his calls accordingly to
the maps that.he has and the knowledge that he has as to where those
cars are supposed to be at various hours of the day. On the day shift,
it is somewhere in between. It expands.a little more. The beat patterns
expand. Not as much as they are in-the morning watch and.that'.s because
there is.a number of cars on days is between that which is on evenings
and mornings. So you can see in the maps and the changing of the patterns
and you can also see that if we charted it out the number of cars change
from hour to hour. That is all based on previous patterns of call for
service..and our workload. So we attempt to deploy. our cars geographically
and numerically according to theworkload as we measure from season to
season. Generally, we look at it on a.quarterly basis.
Imperial: When you say that-they spread out in the morning and they
cover a larger area. To what extent?.
Mangum: O.K. Our least protected time, if I can call it that, would
be between the hours of 3:30 a.m., and 6:30 a.m., there is one traffic
car and one criminal per Conflex assigned to the area of the City of
Rosemead. One of each. One two man car, Car #53 and there is #53 T-1.
That is the least level of service that the City has at that hour.
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Bruesch: Paying 48%, let's say paying 50%, are we given statistically
50% of the service?
Mangum: Yes, I would say you are. Remember that 50% is 50% of Cities
share. It can be confusing: The Cities as a group split their portion
up on a 100% basis. The balance is County resources. Now, as far as
the Cities.-resource, yes, they are getting their money' s.. worth as far
as their 48% and good measure of the County back-up time.also.
Bruesch: In other words at any given time, 50%, 48% of the Conflex
of cars and personnel are within Rosemead.area.
Mangum: Let.'s say it this way'. 48% of them are represented
in our in-service deployment roster and on our maps and are supposed
to be in the.City of Rosemead. From day to day there are going to be _
fluctuations and changes in needs. We might have a large industrial
chemical spill or problem in South E1 Monte that we will need to put
cars there that would normally be in Rosemead. So I can't say that
everyday it is going to be that way. But over a period.of a quarterly
basis, where we review it on a quarterly basis, yes, absolutely. If
we find that this is not working, then we will actually intervene and
adjust our scheduling and adjust our management of our cars to make
sure our time is being put wherei.t is fiscally being accounted for.
Tury: If we were to have totally. dedicated service in Rosemead, would
we still get the same level of County back-up that we get now?
Mangum: Yes, provided that we have the staffing there and we were
staffed up to the maximum in the County area. The back-upfrom County
resources right now is outstanding. It is at a very high level, at',
the very highest level it has been in ab,out+•four:years:.. So I would
say that you could expect the continuation of the back-up as well as
all the other Cities can. You could expect some of the back-up from
some of the other Cities too. The heart of the matter is whether you
are totally dedicated or a combination of regional and.dedicated,
policeman by nature of theirwillingness to protect each•.other are
going to back each other up. So you are going to see by their own
acountability to each other and to the citizens, they are going to
be coming into Rosemead to back-up because Rosemead is a very active
area and there are a.lot of hot,alarming calls that come out. For-
tunately, they don't always turn out to the circumstances that they
are reporting, but there are a lot of police activity: I am sure
you see the cars going back and forth in town in rather urgent motion,
responding to information that they have been given that.they are
emergencies.
Bruesch: The second part of Conflex, is flexible, according to the
acronym. As explained to me a couple of months ago,if there were a
problem, that.demanded massive response, that the cars involved in
Conflex could"all respond,.if needs be, could all respond to the
problem. I look.at the.map and I see that the cars that would be
in Duarte and Bradbury would be quite a distance. Are you saying
that those cars there would respond or do you have cars in Temple
City Station?
Mangum: O.K. Let's talk about that. Can everybody see this map?
Mr. Imperial, can you see it? Fortunately we have some freeways
that come, down here and we have three major thoroughfare freeways
that go through here. Were it not for those freeways we would have
a very difficult time putting together a response from area cars up
here and here down in Rosemead. With the exception of rush hours,
when those freeways are absolutely packed up, we.do have situations
where cars will come all the way from Duarte. It takes them about
seven minutes to come down, Code #3, from here down to here for an
emergency response to assist another officer. I would say that
probably happens about once a month. I think that the case that we
had a few weeks ago, where there was a murder probably drew that
kind of a response initially. As the situation became more contained,
then they were released and allowed to go back. But you will see
cars coming.from all.(?).. As far as this map goes these areas outlined
in red, East Pasadena up here, Temple.City., are the only two areas that
are not part of the Conflex region. All the other areas, all the other
Cities indicated and the yellow County Unincorporated areas are all
participating jurisdictions and part of the Conflex and all of the
police car resources and with the exception of any dedicated cars are
all Conflex resources and are essentially controlled by the Station
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Mangum continues: here and are deployed and dispatched according to
the needs. Call by call, each situation, hour by hour it is different.
Generally, speaking they have a beat pattern and they have an assigned
responsibility when they roll out of this station. They have call
letters that designate the areas that they work and they are deployed
to jurisdictions, but during the course of the shift, that can change
at any time according to the commands from the desk as to the responsi-
bilities as.to where they are going to assign on a call. As soon as
they are through and completed on that assignment, and that situation
is contained, controlled or other resources come in from outside of
the Station area, they are released back to their normal area. Con-
solidated and flexible flowing, moving back and forth. The reason
our Department prefers that kind of a situation is that we are not
bound by arbitrary policies that really contravene the nature of
response. Historically in our department we have had some situations
in some of the Contract Cities 'where we were given that kind of an
assignment by Councils as to the rigidity in keeping cars in certain
areas and frankly, it doesn't work. Because policeman by nature of
their own wanting to protect their fellow officers are going to drift
over and investigate. They are going to drift over and see if they
are needed. So it becomes a supervision problem and it becomes a
it can become a political problem.
Imperial: Excuse me, if I understand you correctly... may be I am
wrong. In other words if we have a dedicated service in this City,
and they have a problem up in Bradbury, whether it is dedicated
service or not these people would automatically drift over to Brad-
bury. Is that what you are saying?
Mangum: Well, the next thing I was going to say is you have to under-
stand that we as managers and supervisors will deal with whatever poli-
cies and considerations that we are given to work with. We will deal
with it. From time to time, these things can become initially a super-
vision problem and obviously if the deputies are given strict regulations
on where they are going to work, they are not going to drift up to Brad-
bury on a routine call, but they will dedicated or not have to from
time to time be assigned to go to other areas because of extreme emer-
gencies. That is the difference.
Callas The same thing occurs between'independent jurisdictions and
ourselves.because of Mutual-Aid. If.San Gabriel Police Department
has some major incident, we will send some units from our Station to
that jurisdiction. We have a contract with every City within L. A.
County to do that. Now, we are talking about the difference between
Conflex and Dedicated and the fluidity that we allow those cars to
exercise. With Conflex there is a great deal more. With Dedicated
services, we do not want them, except those instances when we send
them elsewhere responding to some type of emergency situation.
Bruesch: Consequently, on cases where you have Cities that are totally
dedicated, if the need arises they will back up your other areas.
Mangum: Certainly.
Imperial: We have a possibility of what? Back-up of 28-units, is
that what it is?
Mangum: On the evening shift, it 'could be as many as 35 units in
Rosemead. Depending on the nature of the emergency. That is just
within the resources of this Station. We have had..as you are
probably aware of the special enforcement` bureau in the Station
jurisdiction on a number of occasions and that can bring in as many
as 20 more cars. The amount of resources.if necessary.arestaggering.
We are just talking about the region.here.
Johnston: Just remember the 28 cars that I mentioned are the Conflex,
and in addition to that, all the Cities have their own dedicated addi-
tional services. Rosemead has some that they have on day and evening
shifts. South El Monte has a few. Duarte has some. So that gets it
up to 35 at the maximum.
Bruesch:
Plus
other ones in the area, if needs be.
Johnston:
Yes,
sir.
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Bruesch: I have a question about the formula?
Mangum: Sure.
Bruesch: Do you have a listing of the weights of the different
factors, area, population, called service, major crimes, cases
handled and time measurement? Of those which figures do you
factor formula the most?
Mangum: They are all weighted at a value of One. With the excep-
tion of time measurement which was introduced this year. Time
measurement weighted at a value of Two replaced assessed value.
Which was formerly one of the six factors weighted at a value of
One. The reason time measurement is weighted at a value of Two
is because we want.tc accellerate a`remedial.catch-up for two of
the Cities in the region which we feel have not fiscally held up
a level of responsibility that they need to in terms of keeping
up with the demands. Duarte and South El Monte,,we believe have
drawn too much County resources out of the region into their Cities
and as such they are divilitating`the region a little bit as far as
the availability of County back-up.to the other two members. And
so by putting time measurement as one of the six factors in the
formula we have.caused those two Cities to go up an additional
in the case of Duarte, over what they would had we kept the old
formula and South El Monte, I believe more than what they would
had they kept the old formula, and '.this brings them up to a higher
cost formula but also gets their percent up to meet the demands
that they are receiving. Since iwe.are working on a 100% basis,
there is a corresponding decrease to the City of Rosemead financially.
because of that. So Rosemead is going to receive the benefit of the
increase.that the other two Cities got.
Bruesch: How do you figure that time measurement?
Mangum: O.K. The deputies prepare daily logs as to their work-load;
and it is characterized in three major areas. Which is work-load
activity as far as written reports, called for services and the
disposition of any calls that they go to. The second-category is
patrol-time which is un-hindered.time where there is free observa-
tion patrol. The third category is response time. That is the
time in between going from call to call or going from patrol to
call. The reason that we are.concerned with patrol time is so that
we can keep track of our response and how fast it-takes the cars
to get to various types-of calls. When you accumulate all that;time
together, then you come up with something called total time and that
represents the total amount of time that that car on any given day
or shift or month.or year accumulates in any jurisdictional geograph-
ical area. So we can tell how much time is being spent in each City
and in each County unincorporated zone, and each quadron of the region.
We can cut it many different ways. Although we don't dwell too much
on time measurement we certainly don't want to disregard it,.and when
we get into regional considerations,we want to make sure that there
is a great deal of compatibility.with the time measured.:.in the City
versus the amount of money paid and the amount of time that is supposed
to be spent-in this City. So this is the first.year where we have
actually formalized time measurement as one of the considerations in
the formula, and there is some reasons why it has taken ten years to
get it into that formula and the most important which is, that it has
only been in the last few years that I felt that the Sheriff's Depart-
ment had a very reliable time measurement management system that we
could use for a financial basis. You recall, that I said that the
source document, the source of the time information is in fact from
the deputies. We have to be very careful in this regard. Not'.that
they.are going to do anything deliberately incorrect, but it is
part of our departments day to day work record produced by the em-
ployees. We have sped the processing of this information where we
now have it on a computer. We can tell from day to day where time
is being spent and we chose to use that as a management tool to put
the cars and assign the beat patterns. So if we are going to use
...if it is reliable enough to use for management to use for the de-
ployment of cars it is also reliable enough to use for financial con-
s.iderations; That is why we have taken that step, and the City Mana-
gers have agreed, and they have voted to employ it in a formula this
year. I think it is a good positive step. Page #5
Callas: One thing I think should be remembered when.we talk.about
the inclusion of time into the Conflex formula. The two Cities
that were mentioned were causing a drain on the resources, if you
will. But that drain was not from the City of Rosemead to the ad-
jacent City, but from the County areas. The reason that we are so
concerned that we addressed this and inject that factor into the
formula is the question and issue of subsidization of a Contract
City by the County resources. Just to,put that in perspective.
Imperial: But if the drain is through County area, for instance
to the City of.South E1 Monte, and there is a problem in the County
area, where do those vehicles come from? Rosemead?
Mangum: Well; when we get into the secondary effects, that is what
we are looking at. Somewhere down the line it is going to affect
Rosemead.
Tury: Looking.at t.he. Budget, it looks like a one man car costs
us somewhere in the excess.of $100,000 a year. Two man cars $200,000
a year. We are.paying over $1,.000,000. It appears to me that we
could actually have dedicated service and eight more cars for the
same amount of money. How many cars do.we get out of Conflex as
a general rule?
Mangum: Remember the budget figure that you are looking at about..
the way your budget breaks down you have got about -a million dollars
that we are asking for, $1,100,000 to.be invested in Conflex for
next year and $1,200,000 to be invested into dedicated services.
That is the base level of what you'have right now. Your'budget of
$2,100,000 would be have of it in Conflex and half of it in the
dedicated services that are delineated in this letter on pages 2
and 3 which are described.
Tury: If we were cut-off from the Conflex and went totally to De-
dicated, we would about double what we have dedicated now.
Mangum: That is financially right,
Callas: Don't confuse dollars and cents with cars, because you
have the best of both worlds with Conflex in that while you. have
purchased percentages of time, percentages'of radio cars in essence,
you have also have other more cars involved in the operation. You
have other cars in the City that.,you might not normally have, if
you were to go all dedicated. You have got, as was discussed,the
fluidity, the back-up concept, the back-up aspect of Conflex is
really the value to anyone.for'any participating agency.
Mangum: Conflex by itself is'not adequate for any City. And Dedi-
cated by itself, generally is not adequate either. I think that
Rosemead has the best of all worlds. It has the best balanced pro-
gram of the four cities involved. Rosemead historically started
this trend of dedicated overlay on the Conflex service in 1975•with
the purchase of the day shift burglary prevention suppression team.
It has grown come since.
Imperial: Why do you say that a totally dedicated service would not
suffice. What do you base that:on?
Mangum: To draw an analogy, I look at Conflex,asha•cake.without 1
icing-and. it is o::.k. -you-can .eat-it. and sikTallowgzit~:but it is not.-
tastie-. ..T-;look at.Conflex{with the dedicated as a totally iced
cake. It is a good well-balanced product, and Conflex was designed...
It was a response to a financial crisis that the County and the
cities were involved in the very early 1970's and it was primarily
financially motivated was the number'One priority and service ori-
ented was number-.two. The crux of the problem being.that the cost
because of Grand Jury involvement and some political criticism the
cost of Sheriff's services went up from one year to the next about
60% for the cost per car. There was tremendous ...a".new accounting
method was developed that included more overhead and as you know,
there was a long political battle., and legal and I believe it even
got to the legislature at one point. That was all resolved, but
the financial impact from the cities transcending from one year to
the next, caused them to look at consolidation of resources a way
to continue to provide the best service for the amount of money
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Mangum continues: provided that was the impetus. Since that time,
the Station Managers historically at Temple and at two other stations
have found out that given that situation, that Conflex can be managed
.and it can still provide a good base level responsive service, but
that what the Cities really need are overlays of additional special
problem enforcement cars that can attend to problems in each indivi-
dualized area an augment Conflex. If Rosemead was to switch from
the combination of dedicated overlay services and Conflex to a
totally dedicated package, we would have to build in,somehow, that
automatic back-up that you have. There would be a financial cost
attached.to that. I think your best measure of how much that-would
be to look at the per capita cost in neighboring Cities. The per
capita cost that we are recommending ...your existing per capita cost
is $48 a head, $48 per person in the City of Rosemead. We are re-
commending to subsequent levels, option #1 or #2. Option #1 which
gets you up to $51 per capita and Option #2 which gets you to $55
per capita. If you look at the Cities of.Alhambra, Montebello and
.Monterey Park, you will see that they are all up in the high 60's
and $70 per capita. That's about what a totally dedicated independent
self-contained policing operation costs. Now, I'll grant you that
there would be somewhat a little less of a cost because you do share
administrative costs with 33 other cities, and you can't compare an
independent police departments cost with a Contract operation. It
is kind of like an apple and an orange. I would say that to have
a fully dedicated, completely self-contained service here in the
City of Rosemead and to include all necessary back-up and to have
total self-assurance, you have to get to the range of $65 per capita
in order to do it right.
Tury: What.does Temple City pay.for that back-up that they receive.
for their totally dedicated services?
Mangum: One of the reasons that this area here..is not in Conflex
because this is by policy and by operation, this is the designated
back-up area, for Temple City. There is a reciprocity that we mea-
sure. We watch that very close. We make sure that the amount of
time coming cut'of here to'back•them up..and..then going back there
is balanced at all times. It fluctuates from l% to 2% every quarter.
There is a reciprocity..anytime that that car is unavailable in your
book, it means that Temple City cars have to go into east Pasadena
and the same can go the other way around. Right now, with summer
approaching you will start seeing that being very well balanced.
Because there are a lot of activities in both areas. In the winter
it kind of leans toward the County area. So Temple City seasonally
either takes ,a deficit or gains a'little. But, because it is dedi-
cated it is all very predictable, and works out very well. Now,
East Pasadena area sizewise is not as large as Temple City, but it
is a lot more dense in population. It has a lot more transiency
and it has a'lot more crime per capita. So it does draw quite a
bit.
Callas: Quite obviously, Temple City benefits-from the fact that
every car that goes any place out of that station has to go through
Temple City. So that appearance, that number of radio cars on the
street being in transient one way or the other, that is a very con-
siderable benefit that they experience. You can't put a dollar
figure on that. That is a preventative effect that we wish all the
Cities could experience.
Tury: With totally dedicated,_do they have any more say on the
length of time a person works in their town.
Callas: My predecessor., who is now my chief, not my immediate
predecessor but his predecessor, he apparently, entered into a
verbal agreement.with one of the Councilmen in Temple City, that
he would, given certain variables,attempt to keep the deputies
in the City of Temple City for a period of 18 months. In all
honestly, and I have to speak frankly about that issue, that is
one of my biggest'problems since I have been at this Station.
Because it is unworkable. It is unworkable from a management
perspective and it is not really in the best interest of the.City,
and I will try to explain how. When I first came here, Temple City
had that very much in place: It was a very contenscious situation
between myself and some of the Councilmembers, one in particular,
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Callas continues: Because the deputies that were working there
had been there in some cases, 9 years. One had been there on one
shift.for a period of 7 years.' Frankly, the productivity in that
City was horrible. These guys had retired. As you are aware that
is a one man operation. One man cars in Temple City. The demo-
graphics are far different than they are in the City of Rosemead,
but be that as it may there was nothing occuring. Those deputies
were content.to issue a few parking tickets on the early morning
shift., or do the minimum amount of work to,.get:by because they
felt secure in that they had established themselves on a personal
basis with a.Councilman or Councilmembers and felt that they were
untouchable and the station management was not affect change into
raised their level of performance.which frankly, I took umbridge
with and have over the past 2z years modified that situation.con-
siderably. In that today, the average tenure, if you will, of a
deputy working Temple City is probably no greater than the average
tenure of a-deputy working in the City of Rosemead with one excep-
tion. Rosemead get more trainees. We, rotate trainees through the
City'.because it is a good fast pace City and there is a far greater
opportunity to learn police work than there is in Temple City. So
we do rotate those through, but particularly speaking of the dedi-
cated services that.you purchase those deputies-have been within
the City limits in some instances some 5 or 6 years now. On balance
if we were to average that out,it is very similar. We have corrected
many of the problems that have existed in Temple City. They have
a different desire. The emphasis in Temple City has..been that I
would rather.have someone wave at the school kids than take someone
to jail. What that created unfortunately a'situation .that was....
they did not want to believe that there was any criminal activity
occuring within the City. When in fact there was, the crime rates
clearly established that.. What.I have tried to, do in the past 2,
years was to attach the crime issue as well as maintain stability.
That is the same thing we have done here. I would like to offer
a couple of suggestions; while they are not in the budget, there
are two things that Temple City does that I think are important
and I think that we have discussed peripherally ini.the past that
we could establish here, and one of them is: we have,:;in Temple City,
a month'_y breakfast meeting with the entire Council and all of the
personnel assigned on duty attend this meeting. Myself, Lt. Mangum,
who is the liaison Lt.., detectives, and what occurs 'ac these meetings
is a very free interchange of information, discussion of critical
issues, crimes, specific problem areas, even down to the naming of
individuals. That over.the years and that has been occuring for
approximately for10 years there,has.developed a sense of belonging
on everyones part,.both the.Council and the deputies. Regardless,
of whether the deputies have been there two or three months, or
two or three years, they know them. They know the deputies and the
deputies know the Councilmembers. That helps. That is a significant
help I think..
Imperial: We used to have them consistently once a month, I think,
right, Frank? In fact I have.asked you why we don't have them any
more on several occasions.
Tripepi: I think when we first stated we had them monthly and then
I think we went to quarterly because we had...most members attended
the first couple and.then the Council's attendance kind of drops off
and we have had situations where we have had ...the last couple that
I can recall, I don't think there was a Councilman there, then on
top of that we have.a charge for overtime to come to the breakfast,
which is fine, I have no problem with that, but in order to justify
doing that, as Jim stated,: I think the majority of the Council should
attend. I am not saying all five, but.I can recall times when I was
there and there was no Councilman and I know Jim can recall, that too.
Tury: One reason I sort of lost interest in it was what I perceived
to be the lack of continuity in the people. I can talk to you any
time I want to,Jim, or Tom, and except for maybe one or two deputies
you just wouldn't..... .
Callas: At any given.meeting, we can't strip,the streets clean. We
have a much bigger operation, and you may see different deputies and
they may well be deputies that have been working the City for any
length of time, but it is just that they cannot all be at the same
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Callas continues: The important part and I don't necessarily recom-
mend that itihas to be a monthly session at all. Say periodically,
be it quarterly, or whatever would be most convenient for the City
Fathers is certainly agreeable to us, but it has to be supported by
the City Fathers. They have to take the time as inconvenient as it
might be to get out and attend these things, because the expectation
of these deputies is that the concern is expressed by the City Fathers.
They are here;-now we know what they look like other than a picturezin the briefing
room.or an occasional contact that we may have. They are concerned
with what we are doing and they are concerned and they will come out
and express pleasure or displeasure or whatever. We know who they
are and where they are coming from, and that helps. I don't bring
this up to belabor this here, but that is just one thing that has
proven to be.of value in Temple City. The other thing is something.
Bruesch: I just wanted to say something about this faceless deputy.
It is something that has been recurring in comments of people in the
area for a long time. They really complain about the service, what
they are complaining about is that everytime that they deal with some-
body.in their community whether it is over a matter of two months or
two years it is somebody different. On recurring problems that come
up there is no-in depth knowledge. A deputy in the car responds to
a particular call on the first year in this particular beat whereas
there has been problems for the last four years in the same area, but
they did riot know about it, and they can't go back and check records
and so forth and so on. You were talking about in Temple City, the
long term people.just being satisfied issuing a few tickets and so
forth. I think there is a hidden type of feeling within the people
that you see the same person, the same person is on the beat, you
knowyouu.can rely on him, there is that trust there. Sometimes,
what.is up front is more important, a.feeling of security,a feeling
of..I know when Officer Joe is going to come by and I can count on
him to respond on my needs. That has an.effect'on local crime rates
too. A person that sees something unusual may not respond, but if
they that Officer Joe is in the.area,.they hail him down and say,Hey,
I saw this down the street. There are neighborhoods that have a lot
of people who have been there for years and years, and they say they
never see the same officer respond to a. call in all the years that
they have been there. We are talking about people who call up all
the time, but people that have occasion once a year or once every
eighteen months to call the Sheriff and they have never had the same
person come. That does have a..deletericus effect on the peoples out-
look toward the Sheriff and their feelings toward the service.
Imperial: I'think basically what we are saying..;I heard Lou say it,
and Bob say it, and I guess I am going to say the same thing, if
people ask me who is your Police Department, I say we contract with
the Sheriff's Department, and my Chief of Police is Jim Callas. Re-
gardless, of,what the turn-over rate is, I would like to keep Jim
here 20 years.. I would like to make that very clear and there is no
problems with Jim Callas. As far as I am concerned, regardless of
whose been promoted to what have you, he is the most outstanding
Chief of Police that we have had in this City. But,I do have a pro-
blem with the turn-over rate. I don't like to have the feeling that
I know who my Chief-of Police is and he is doing a good job but I
really can't tell you who my deputies are. 0. K. Jim made a comment
a little earlier about they had people who were homesteading, the
crime was not being controlled. I have to debate that item.. As'a
Councilman in this community, I am getting'imput. from the people at
all times if _I have got my head screwed on right, what I mean by
screwed on right, as I am out there=in the street talking to people
because that is where I am going to feel the pulse beat of this com-
munity. It is nice to be able to'talk to Officer Joe and wave..-at
him as he goes by and know who he is and know that you can talk..to
him, but the people are also smart enough to know that Officer Joe
might be a nice guy, but we have got a problem but there in the
streets, even though I like Officer Joe. I am going to expand on
that problem with somebody, o. k.? So I really can't see where a
dedicated service is going to do that to us because!.even though we
know our police officers and we like them, o. k., like we had with
a traffic control officer in this community at one time, who was the
nicest guy in the world. Everybody liked him that knew him, but I
didn't like seeing him sitting down here in what.-was a brake shop,
an auto repair shop, sitting in there for a couple of hours working
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Imperial continues: I didn't like that. I knew he wasn't doing
his job and.I am going to be the first one to say that I.liked
that turkey,'but I don't like what he is doing. So I can't agree
with that, Jim. I don't like the feeling of not knowing who my
officers are. Of them not knowing the people. Sure we can have
those breakfast meetings and we can have people in there and we
are not going to strip thelstreets and that's for sure. But for
every damn third meeting we have we are going to see those guys
that-patrol the City at least one time. I think that is an impor-
tant item that we have to consider.
Tury: That.'s what it takes, but 'we have a six month turn-around.
Imperial: I don't know what it is going to do for progression, but
that is something that thelSheriff's Department has to work out.
What I am concerned with right now, o. k. is an officer who knows
this community, he knows what it is all about, and I don't know
how a lot of people would feel, but I feel that this community is
unique. It is a special community and maybe every Councilman feels
that way, but I think we have had special things going for us that
other Cities haven't. 0. K. I want people to patrol this community
that realize that. That get to know people. Not to the point where
they become personal friends with a Councilman because it is my own
personal feeling, I.think that the Council would feel that way, i's-that
guy can walk down the road j, he can be my friend, but he better do his
job. It is as simple as that. I want the kind.of a Police Officer
in this community that would know the community and know the people
in it and know the Council, and deal with his commanders. I can't
say it any. better than that. I think that is where our problem is
in this City.
Tury: I think those are just problems within the Contract system.
Maybe, we can go ahead and look at the options that they have given
us for this years service.
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Taylor: We have Mrs..Wyckoff scheduled for 8:45 andLandcthg_Chamber
is also waiting there. I ask that we defer the full discussion on
these items to later on, or perhaps at another.meeting depending on
our time frame.because there is a lot of information in here, alterna-
tives and what we decide to do, rather than act upon them in the next
five minutes. !
Tury: Mr. Mayor, I have n'o objections to that, but I would like to
hear what they have to saylabout the options.
Taylor: Fine, if you wants to go ahead...
Tripepi: You can go ahe
Callas: Just a couple of more minutes. I don't disagree with what
has been stated about stability. That is something that we have
worked for just as diligently as we have in any other City. As Mr.
Tury says, however, there is certain amount of this is part and
parcel of Sheriff's Department in terms of its size and ino.terms
of its movement throughout the Department be it in this station or
the entire Department. Custody Division, the fact that we have the
largest jail system in thejworld here, and. the fact that deputies
move through that and go and patrol and go on to other assignments.
Those are the reasons why we have this situation. They.are not all
negative. I share your concerns and T 'share what you are saying.
I understand that but there is certain value to this also. This con-
stant infusion of new people and so on. Without belaboring that whole
point, one other point I would like to raise that has been successful
within Temple City over the past fiscal year is something we began a
year ago. You purchased.last.year the services of Jaime Baltazar as
a 40 hour one man general odd car and he was a revitalizer of the
neighborhood watch program.and has done some other things within the
City. Temple City had the same operation and what they did last year
was that they created a team leader position and the Deputy assigned
to that position assumed additional responsibilities in terms of coor=
dination of activities of the other deputy personnel. It is a quasi-
supervisorial role that he exercises. We have seen that to be beneficial.
In that the deputies on a given shift, he would obviously would work
the day shift, they feel that there is a supervisor readily available,
to them to discuss crime type of information, neighborhood watches,
or whatever it might be. (Continued next page) Page #10
.Callas.continues: There has been a coalescing effect that we
believe is beneficial. While that is not in the budget recom-
mendation, I am talking in the terms of $2000 a year in.creating
a bonus position for in this case itl;would be because he is the
incumbent, Jaime Baltazar. Changing his job specifications some-
what, in an-effort achieve the same thing as.in Temple City.
Taylor: Jim, what happened with that this year? It went from
$80,000 to $10:3,000. Why that?
Mangum: Well, that includes... with every General Law Service,
there is an investigative assessment.for Station Detective costs
that goes with it, and I went ahead and pro-rated it in, and added
it to the'cost of cars. So you won't see a Station Detective cost
listed in the cost of your cars, but what you will see is the car
plus the. Detective.
Callas: Everytime you purchase a Deputy and radio car, he generates
a certain amount of investigative work. You don't bill the Detective
separately, that price is included with the car.
Taylor: How were those costs included the first year?
Callas: The same way.
Taylor: It is a 25% increase now.
Bruesch: #130 is Detective, now that is being figured into...
Mangum: In this budget letter, I went ahead and I figured the Detec-
tive assessment on top the cost of ....The 103 breaks out as $90,000
for the car and $13,200 for the Detective assessment.
Callas: We broke that out for you is all.
Taylor: How was.he charged out for last year.
Gallas.: The same way. The increase is the same for every car
this year. It came out to about 6z% approximately.
Mangum: The' overall budget without any additional service from last
year. to this is 4.8%.
Tripepi: You did not break out Jau,..ie.`s position last year relative to
Detective service. See that is the difference.
Mangum: No.we did not,, it probably was not even stated.
Tripepi: It was lumped into the overall general Detective Account.
I think what you are saying this year you have pulled it separate
of the Detective Account and set up if you will a sub-line on Detec-
tive for this one man liaison car.
Mangum: I can give you the breakdown for the cost of the car and
the detective for each one of the figures in the letter. I will
leave it with you before I leave today. Incidentally, the team
leader cost over a non-team leader position this only a difference
of $300.
Callas: I would like to say that has been pointed out to the Auditor
Controller as being an error.
Mangum: Oh, is that right, I thought it was a heck of a deal..
Tury: I.think that.is one of the best things we have done. I think
it has worked out super.
Callas: I think so too. It has shown marked improvement in the
neighborhood. watch program and it has really taken off. It is
proving to be a tremendous aid to us and certainly the City.because
of it.
Tury: I think itSsomebody that everybody in town can recognize.
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Imperial: That was my point. I would like to see them all be
someone that everyone can recognize.
Taylor: We have had deputies in the City for several years.
The same deputies. They have not all turned over. There are
new ones and trainees that you made reference to, but I still
know several of the deputies that I can recognize over the last
several years. They are not all turn-overs.
Johnston: Jim, can I add a few comments from being a Temple City
liaison Lieutenant the last few years. There is not much difference
in terms of the raw material that we put here into Rosemead than we
put into Temple City. The way I see it the difference is in the
level of informal communications between the deputies and the level
internal communications within our Station among, formerly from my
Captain and myself to the deputies. The reason for this is, is
that we have, Temple City has set up some mechanism to facilitate
this communication. They have regular monthly breakfasts. They
have a team leader. They have established a cable t.v. network in
their City where put on t.v. 24hours a day crime related informa-
tion, the names of people to call, such as Deputy Christy, who is
the team leader. They have really encouraged communications from
the community into the station. The amount of calls for service,
the amount of telephonic transmissions that we get from the City
into our station equals that of Rosemead, even though the population
of this City is approximately 750. So there is a lot of talking,
there is a lot of auestons, there is a lot of requests of our depart-
ment from that City. I venture to say that the same thing could be
generated in this community but it takes the setting up of the re-
sources and the firing up of the people involved, and getting every-
body involved. I mean City Hall, Chamber of Commerce, the Deputy
Sheriffs, Station Command because in Temple City everybody is in-
volved and they have one focus, that of being not necessarily re-
sults, but communications. They leave the results up to us. They
trust us to carry out the results and it seems to work pretty good.
It is not the best of all situations because I feel personally, that
they need to buy more resources, that they are in fact under policed.
But as far as what they are buying, they are getting quite a measure
out of it. That I can say for them.
Imperial: When you talk about communications, aren't we going back
to basically what we said. In other words, when we are talking
about... sure Temple City has something going for them, but they
also have communication, the breakfast, they also have a dedicated
force. So basically we are getting back to what was said, aren't
we? They know the people they are communicating with. I can walk
out in this community, and I'll bet you that I would be lucky if
I know one out of ten deputies out there.
Johnston: I don't want to be in a position of sitting here and
arguing with you. I certainly don't want to, but I have a respon-
sibility of scheduling on behalf of the Captain as well as being
the liaison;for that City. I have been confronted by one of the
Councilmen there about this same thing, about turn-over, about re-
placement of personnel. There are just as many key trained,seasoned
veterans in Rosemead, who know Rosemead like the back of their hand
as there are in Temple City for the size of their City. There are
just as many. Probably, we didn't bring them to the right breakfast.
I can name a half a dozen just like Mayor Taylor mentioned that are
here nearly all the time. They are dedicated car officers or they
are trainee officers that consistently train. month, after month,
after month..on different shifts in this City. They familiarize our
new people with this community and we couldn't afford not to have
those people here training because we wouldn't be giving the new
deputies our best measure of what is available for training. I am
talking about people like John Shoup, Denny Miller, and Mike Shield,
and Steve Keiv, and A.J. Hernandez and Tony Rascone and I have named
a half a dozen there, and Gary Fish. In Temple City there can't be
more than a half a dozen that we have had there for more than 18
months. The rest of the group have come in and they are any where
from three, five, seven months with the City.
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Imperial: I can appreciate the level of experience that you just
told me about within the City. But even with that level of ex-
perience, in a turn-over. I wasn't questioning level of experience.
Our problems seem to be resolved in that respect. I was questioning
turn-over, not level of experience.
Taylor: I think there are some interesting points that have been
brought up and.one of the reasons that I had asked for deferring
this is information from Temple City. Frank, I want to review
their budget. Get a copy of that and see actually what they are
doing, and what services are provided for them. To give us a
good look at a dedicated City right next to us.
Tury: Mr. Mayor, I think we should at least approve a penciled
in figure. I think we should go with option #2. It is recommended
at least in a penciled in figure giving us the best options available.
Take no formal action, but a....
Taylor: We can leave it as is as far as
Tury: We are due for an increase in services which I don't doubt
will give us a little better handle on what the total will be. I
can vote to.support this today.
Taylor: I question adding option #2. I would like to see propor-
tionally Temple City's figures and some other information too.
Again, it is the Council's wish if they want to act on it now.
Tury: I don't want to act on it formally. I just figured as
a pencilled in figure over the total budget that if we add that
we would have 'a little better handle. I think it is something
that we should
Imperial: My problem is not with the budget. My argument is with
basically procedure. So I would have-no problem voting on this
Budget. I just have a problem with procedure in some respect.
Bruesch: Mr. Mayor, if possible I would like get the information
as to longevity of the officers that do serve our community. Again,
I'll repeat the fact that as I perceive it from comments from people
in the City, it is not the level of service that they are receiving
is a bother to me, like Jay says, it is dealing with different people
each time, and I would like to know of the officers that serve our
community. How many have been here for more than 18 months. How
many have been here for more than 3 years.
Taylor: Jim, is there any problem in getting that....
Callas: I can't do that today, but....
Bruesch: I would like that before I make any type of decision on
finalizing this.
Callas: I don't see that is germaine to the level of service. We
can beat that issue to death. I think Councilman Tury hit the nail
on the head earlier, when he said that was part and parcel of the
Contracting system. That is a built-in concern. That is my respon-
sibility to address. I address it as best I can, but it is not go-
ing to to go away. Even if I get the figures, the problem will re-
main.
Tury: I agree with you Jim, because that is just one of the draw
backs of the Contract system. I know that Jim is well aware of it.
I am sure that he works to the best of his ability to resolve it.
I was under the assumption with my conversation as a City Council-
man that they had a much different situation than I heard you say
tonight. Maybe, that was imagined. I believe you, believe me.
Callas:. I would like to leave you with one parting thought,
remember the cops on the street are important, but the communications
that the public receives over that telephone from the people inside
are also important-and they have to work in this City too from time
to time to keep up to date on the problems in this City. Because
when they answer that telephone call, and they sound like they don't
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Callas continues: know what's going on at Zapopan Park, or they
don't know what the problems that Mike Burbank is having down at
Garvey Park. Of if Mike happens to call, and they are in a vacuum.
That is going to irk him a little bit. So, we have got the recipro-
cal end of it. We have got to have people going from inside outside
all the time too: Most of our complaints arises from telephonic
communications or a lack of awareness.
Bruesch: That I agree with.
Cleveland: If this is going to be
going to postpone activity on this
this budget,and get it over with.
informational only, and it is just
budget, I would like to vote on
Taylor: I make the motion that we approve the recap recommendation
$2,138,000 with a consideration at a later date of the option #1 and
#2 when we have more information.
Cleveland: Isecond it.
Taylor: All those in favor.
Cleveland & Taylor: Ayes
Imperial, Tury & Bruesch: Nayes
Taylor: We have a 3 to 2 on that.
Tury: I have no real problems with that, Gary. I would like to
hear the I grant you we are running a little behind
time. I think this is no. 1, the most important thing in the
whole darn budget.
Imperial: As far as I am concerned, it is.
Tury: I think we should take the time, the
is sitting out there.
Taylor: Well, then another motion would be
you want option #2 make the motion.
Tury: I want to hear the justifications for. i
haven't heard it yet. We have talked about
cerns...
Callas: If the Mayor has no objections...
chamber or whoever else
appropriate then. If
t.- That's.all, Gary.. We
the workings, our con-
Mangum: 0. K. Thank you Mr. Mayor. On behalf of Jim, I am going
to make this presentation brief, justifications for options #1 and
#2. I spoke with the Commander. I spoke with Lt. Johnston. I spoke
with Jim Baltazar and a lot of the deputies that work in the City.
In addition to that I have looked at the statistics will give you
a trend or they will tell you that something is going on but when
you talk to the deputies,you will either confirm it or explain why
the statistics say what they do. In this case, both the statistics
and the words of the deputies and everything I hear and see are
consistent. We are losing ground in terms of available partrol
time in Rosemead on the late afternoon/evening and late evening
shifts. We have gotten to the point where we are putting about
80% of our activity in written work, response to calls, activities
where the deputies are being tied up with dispatch responsibilities
and that leaves them about 20% overall time for patrolling. This
is called-for services as such have not gone up. They are pretty
consistent over the last 3 years. We get about 20,000 calls per
year. But the nature of the calls and the crime reports that are
being written on the calls are becoming more serious. Which means
they become more time consuming in terms of the types of reports.
More felonious reports as opposed to misdemeanors, and there is
more arresting going on. This means that the officers are spending
more time taking people to the station, booking them and they are
more consumed with activities as the result of crimes. So we are
slowly turning over to a reactive position here in Rosemead. We
are reacting to the crime and we are not, I don't think, doing as
good a job as we could in terms of having available resources to
prevent it. So I found two key periods in time in the day and two
areas where I think we need to up-grade the service for the reasons
I am about to state:
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Mangum continues: Deputy Baltazar feels frustrated in that he
knows that when he goes home, between 4 and 5 o'clock, that
there is a certain lag that needs to be attended to in terms
of the, and we had eluded to this in the letter, about persons
that do not attend school and that loiter and congregate in
certain areas that generate problems and crime. What I am talk-
ing about for example is, Rosemead Park after school. There is
a certain amount of very minor amount of dollar transactions going
on for drug dealing. This is something that every community is
going to have, but it has become to the point where it is hard
for us to keep after it'because we don't have the available
resources at that hour. Another thing, is the gap between the
time that our very aggressive, dayshift, burglary prevention
team is out in-the morning when they get off in the afternoon,
between then and the darkness. A lot of people, working families,
husbands and wives both work, don't have that protection between
the time their children get out of school and between the time
of darkness, because that is the time of day that people come home
and discover crimes or start becoming embroilled in family argu-
ments or have the need to call the police. Our officers get tied
up with calls between those hours to the point where there is very
little patrolling going on. Those people that are bent on doing
a late afternoon/early evening burglary when they know nobody is
home are able to do it a little more successfully. Those people
want to congregate at an eating establishment such as the Palms,
over here or some of the fast-food places and who want to panhandle
and bum and bully other people 2Lre those kind of folks who come
from outside of Rosemead down to the park and harrass people that
are at the snack bars, harrass the athletes, harrass the parks
people. That is the time of day it is happening. These kind of
people, frankly, sleep in the morning,pretty late until about noon.
Then they get up and hang around their neighborhood and when they
do come out around the street, it is late afternoon/early evening.
That is when they.are most active. We need some more cars at that
time. We need to instruct those deputies to go out and particularly
pay attention to those areas. Lay down the law. Take the people
to jail and 'put a stop to it, because it's not out of hand, but
with summer approaching it is going to become a consistent problem.
This is the kind of thing that I saw last summer. More dramatically
in 1982 with the problems at Garvey Park. It became a loitering place.
The same thing with Zapopan Park. A different clientele of people
there. More like transients and bums and panhandlers, and things
like that. They do harrass the general public by virtue of their
presence. They do need to be policed. This is a classic inspectional
policing function that needs to take place. We are not contemplating,
and I am not professing to take all the high school kids in town and
jailing them, but high school kids are smart enough to stay away where
they know they are not supposed to be. That is what we need to do.
In a way, we are protecting some of the youth who maybe given a little
of the supervision outside of their home that they get when they are
in their home and that is an important part of what we should be doing
in Rosemead; as well. So that is the crux of our recommendation.
During the mid-morning from about 10:00 p. m. to 6:00 p. m., I feel
that we need another one man patrol unit compatible with Deputy
Baltazar to;do our patrolling in our neighborhoods to prevent street
crimes,burglaries, and some of the pan handling and soliciting that
goes on, and I think that from the period of about 5:00 p. m. til
1:00 a. m. we need a good aggressive two man patrol to take care of
our parks, eating establishments, congregating places and keep that
level of pressure up. Keep the crowds to a minimum. Take the leaders,
the offenders to jail, and to control that kind of activity. That's.....
Tury: You made a comment about the amount of time it takes arresting,
and booking. I have seen in the paper where some of the southern towns
have gone to a booking wagon. Whatever you call it...Which to me makes
a lot of sense. I am curious is the County has looked into it.
Mangum: We.do it very frequently, but those things are only good for
mass arrest,situations.
Johnston: Those are for misdemeanors. A lot of arrests and booking
procedures involves the accumulation additional evidence including
interogation.
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Imperial: I have noticed an alarming increase in the amount of
vagrancies in the City.
Callas: We could reroute RTD...
Johnston:, It is again an opportunity for the radio car to pay
attention to things on an observation basis. Like Bill is refer-
ring to. Our cars in Rosemead are on the road between calls.
They are not on the road looking... making observation of things
that should be addressed because their patrol time is minimum.
This is ...what Bill is saying we are reactive because we only
have the opportunity to respond to those things that have just
occurred and we don't have the patrol force out there which is
crime prevention in an activity by addressing people that are
loitering, mopery.
Bruesch: Am I not mistaken in assuming that vagrancy is becoming
a problem area wide.
Taylor: Excuse me Jim, but I think that the City of E1 Monte,
four years ago, had three law suits against them pending at that
time and this year, I think, they have got 47 or 48. A lot of
them were filed with Civil Rights Harrassment of people walking
the streets.Where they say lets clean it up and check it out.
These people have said we are not going to tolerate it. There
has been a lot of activity in that sense where we open the Sheriffs
Department up and the City for a lot of liability that may not be
there. That does not need to be there.
Mangum: There was an incident, an arrest in San Diego, I believe,
the same guy had been arrested 100 times braided hair. He is the
one who has brought before the ACLU and they won. Everyone is
suing us if we ask who they are. So it is a concern. There is
a standard that is used throughout the Country. One of the is a
50-50 split and the other is a 60-40 split. The optimum range that
the Police Departments generally use is 60% of the officers time,
should be devoted to activities, called for service type of activities,
40% of his time should be devoted to pre-patrol, preventative type
of police working. We are now, at the 80-20 range in this City
meaning what we have got to do is allow the officer more opportunity
to do the kind of things that we are talking about. Take these....
contact these people, clean the streets up, go to the parks,, spend
time around the schools, when the school children are getting out,
those types of preventative police work. We swung a little too far
the other way, we have got to bring that back.
Bruesch: Mr. Mayor one of the things, that comes back to what I
said about consistency in personnel with regards to the vagrancy
question, as I perceive it that liability referred to could be
avoided if there are people who know the community well enough to
know that this guy, although he looks a little bit weird is a neigh-
borhood guy that everyone knows and loves. This guy is complete
stranger and we had better keep an eye on him. I think that was the
problem with that guy in San Diego. The guy was interviewed on T.V.
and he said it was funny but I was never picked up by.the same guy
twice. He said.every time I got picked up it was by a different
officer.
Callas: Maybe the initial officer found out what this man was
about and then avoided him the next time.
Johnston:It is also important that the people that are calling us,
the citizens, we ask them on the telephone. They may complain about
some body defecating or urinating in the park or throwing of litter
and all that. I will ask them, you realize that it is a ligh-weight
misdemeanor and something that the officer has to see. What would
you like us'to do. I would like you to get him out of there and
I would like you to arrest him. O.K. but we are going to have to
have your cooperation and we will need you to sign a complaint form
and do that. Yes, they don't want to.. So, sometimes, you talk
about liability and lawsuits, this is a supervision thing and a
training thing because the deputies want to feel like they are solving
problems, and it is very hard for an officer to go out time after
time and confront one of these people and see what he is doing and
talk to the citizen who doesn't want to arrest him.
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Johnston continues: The officer has got another choice. If I don't
take care of this problem, the citizen is going to be dissatisfied
or the neighborhood is and how am I going to do that. Well, the
choices are.very few, and they all involve violation of that persons
rights. So you are absolutely right. If we don't get the citizens
cooperation and the deputies aware of what their limitations are in
dealing with this kind of things, we can get into that kind of trouble.
In the time that I have been in Temple Station, I haven't seen that
kind of problem. We have very few complaints that arise out of the
violation of peoples rights. The deputies know the laws very well.
They know how they can effectively use the law to deal with that
kind of a problem. They know what they may order somebody to do
and what they may not. They know that a transcient sitting on the
edge of a curb with his feet dangling out in the street, that gives
them probable to cause to make that man stand up and check out his
condition for his use of intoxicants of any kind. They know what
kind of rights they have to search his property and things like that.
Our people recognize the value of a citation for a transcient, because
they know if they give him a citation that he is probably not.going to
appear and within a few weeks they can arrest for failure to appear.
So they know what the tools are for the trade and how to deal with
people like that.
Callas: I was.at the Palms yesterday, and two bums came in, and
tried to stiff George for lunch, and had he not taken care of it,
I would have had to be involved. I would have been in just the
position you are talking about. Fortunately, I saw a petty-weight
misdemeanor occur. I could have made an arrest for that. Deputy
walking into the door while this was going on would have been faced
with probably an illegal detention in order to solve that problem.
Tury: Across the street from my Dad's house ...my dad's lawnmower
was stolen yesterday.-. There-.has_been a--bunch-of-people over there.
'here-is~a'gardener across. the street,-:and apFarently.frierids`.of
his-.always come-by and have a ,beer. gty,.dad_cleaned-•his_•lawnmower
yesterday, stepped into the garage, went around the back and the
lawnmower was gone. He talked to me about these guys hanging out
around there, and I told him at the time you couldn't do much;
they are this guys friends. I would bet a million dollars that
those two guys stole my dad's lawnmower.
Callas: That is the extension of the free enterprise system.
Tury: Is this $345,000, would that be a budget buster?
Tripepi: No, I just ...Let me call to the Council's attention,
if you will look at your total....
Tury: I just don't want to start eating into reserves. I know
we are getting reasonably close.
Tripepi: If you will look at your total budget for Law Enforcement
that we have plugged in. It is $2,416,000. Ile are talking about
a $90,000 increase on option #2 and according to Susan's figures
Option #1 is like $94,000 less. You have the money.
Bruesch: That is why I was questioning it. Because the figures
and balances....
Callas: This is predicated on a 10% increase. That is what we
always deal with when we talk with Frank, if we have no other
figure to use.
Tripepi: That -actually won't come until September and sometimes
later.
Tury: Mr. Mayor I would like to make the motion that we approve
the Option #2, but I would like to remove the.Parking Control officer
to be discussed at a separate time and date.
Tury: Does anyone want to second my motion?
Imperial: I'll second it.
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Taylor: All those in favor: Bruesch, Cleveland, Imperial & Tury
All those opposed: Mayor Taylor
Taylor: I would like the record to show that I would still like
that information that I had requested.
Tripepi: We will gather that information.
Bruesch: I would still like the information that I requested.
I would like the record to show that I am basically in favor of
more dedicated service.
Tury: I would go totally dedicated, but I don't think that would solve
our problems.
Bruesch: I realize that but my main worry on Conflex is the response
time from out-lying areas. Thank the good Lord that we haven't needed
that type of service but in the case that we may during the rush hour
with the traffic situation on the Freeways and we need 20 extra cars
at any given moment, I would sure hate to have 4 or 5 of them over in
Bradbury or Duarte at that time.
Callas: Next year I might come back with a doubling of your Budget
and we are going to go all dedicated.
Imperial: I want the record to show that my vote for the increase
is that I felt very strongly about it because it does this City no
good to rebuild the streets, have new projects built if people are
not safe on the streets. I think it is a very important item. That
is what we need and that is what we should have.
Taylor: I think that takes care of Account #4300 then.
Respectfully submitted:
City (VIerk
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