CC - Item 7A - Minutes of September 14, 2010 meetingCommunity Development Commission
Housing Development Corporation,
and
City Council
Meeting Minutes
September 14, 2010
The regular meeting of the Rosemead Community Development Commission, Housing Development
Corporation and City Council was called to order by Mayor Taylor at 6:03 p.m. in the Rosemead City Council
Chamber located at 8838 East Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California.
FLAG SALUTE: Chair /Mayor Taylor
INVOCATION: Vice - Chair /Mayor Pro Tern Ly
PRESENT: Chair/ PresidenU Mayor Taylor, Vice -Chz
Directors/ Council Members Armenta, Clark and Low
Pro Tern Ly, Commissioner/
STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Allred, Agency AttorneyRichman Community Development Director Wong,
Director of Finance Brisco, Director of Parks and Recreation Montgomery -Scott, Economic Development
Administrator Ramirez, Public Affairs Manager Flores, Deputy Public Works,Director Marcarello, and City
Clerk Molleda
1. ORDINANCES READ BY TITLE ONLY
State law requires all r nces be read in full prior to the City Council /Agency Board taking
action; however�by motion, unanimously adopted, the City Attorney can be instructed to read all
ordinances by tititle ohW,
Recommendation: Tl at the CAttomey b tructed to read all ordinances which appear on this
agenda by title only, and tfiat,further reading be waived.
Mayor Pro Tem Steven Ly made a motion,seconded by Council Member Sandra Armenta, to approve
ordinances read by title only. Vote resulted in:
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
2. PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE
Daniel Garcia expressed concern with homeless shelters, he showed a list of homeless shelters that were
not accessable to disabled people; ask the Commission to write a letter of concern.
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3. COMMISSIONICORPORATION CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Claims and Demands
Resolution No. 2010 — 32
Recommendation: to approve Resolution No. 2010 — 32, entitled:
RESOLUTION NO. 2010 — 32 FOR PAYMENT OF CC
AMOUNT OF $235,997.24 DEMAND NO. 10090 AND
11337.
Vice- Chairman Steven Ly made a motion, seconded by Comm
Commission/ Corporation Consent Calendar. Vote resulted in:
ENDITURES IN THE
11326 THROUGH
to approve
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
4. HOUSING DEVELOPMENT CORPORA
A. Power Purchase Agreement
Housing
HEARING — CONTINUED
at Angelus and Garvey Senior
Levine Management Group, the m
by the Rosemead Housing Develo
solar panels at the Angelus Senior
npany of the two senior complexes owned
ition (RHDC), has proposed installation of
the Garvey Senior Complex.
Their interest in investigating the possibility of installing solar electricity systems at the
buildings arose as the result of the availability of significant rebates offered by Southern
California Edison (SCE). SCE is a participant in the Multifamily Affordable Solar Housing
(MASH) Program that provides up to 60% of the cost of solar systems. The MASH Program
has been designed specifically to facilitate the acceleration of solar power in the affordable
housing sector in California.
The'proposed,p>oj ct will produce an alternative source of energy for the Angelus Senior
Complex andthe Garvey Senior Complex. The goal is to enter into a Power Purchase
Agreement (PPA) for both complexes so the RHDC will have a secure energy source
alternative that will be below the cost spent for that same amount of energy purchased from
SCE over the life of the PPA's.
Recommendation: That the Housing Development Corporation Board continue this item to
their September 28, 2010 meeting.
Daniel Garcia spoke in favor of the solar power system.
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Executive Director Allred stated the public hearing was continued from last meeting and staff has meet with
the party proposing the agreement. The Agency Attorney recently received new documents regarding the
agreement; Mr. Allred asked that this public hearing be moved to the following meeting.
President Tayloropened Public Hearing 6:14 p.m and continued the Public Hearing to the next meeting.
Vice -Chair Steven Ly made a motion, seconded by Director Sandra Armenta to continue the public
hearing to the next Housing Development Corporation meeting. Vote resulted in:
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
5. MATTERS FROM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
A. Loan Agreement with the Rosemead
On June 1, 2010, the Rosemead Chamber of Commefce approached the City regarding the
need for a loan in order to help them fund the implementation of a new business plan. Per
the direction from the City Council, the Promissory Note! Negative Pledge Agreement will
provide for $25,000 loan to be repaid by 2015. The terms dithe loan include annual
payments on July 1st of each year commencing by July 1, 2012 with an interest rate of zero
percent (0 %).,-;P * ayments not made by July 10th of each year would accrue penalties at the
rate of th[ee perceht (3 %0). The loan will be secured by a Negative Pledge Agreement, which
will be,recorded with th6 County on the Chamber's offices located at 3953 Muscatel Avenue.
Recommendation 6 Thatthe °Commmunity� Development Commission authorize the loan of
$25,000 to the Rosemead Ct amber of�Commerce and execute the Promissory Note to be
secured by the Negative ; Pledge Agreement.
Executive Director Allred reviewed the
Agency Attorney Richman explained that it's something that needs to be recorded on the property, so if there
are any attemps to sell the property the loan would appear on the title; and they are not permitted to sell the
property unless they have paid the loan back and the Commission would then grant the approval.
Commissioner Low asked about the terms of the loan, in which the principal is payable in four installments
of $6,000. The loan is $25,000 and the installment payments only give us $24,000.
Chairman Taylor clarified that it also states the last payment will make up any difference into the fourth year.
Commissioner Clark asked if the agreement was acceptable to the Charmber.
Executive Director Allred replied yes.
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Commissioner Margaret Clark made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Polly Low, to approve the
Community Development Commission to authorize the loan of $25,000 to the Rosemead Chamber of
Commerce and execute the Promissory Note to be secured by the Negative Pledge Agreement. Vote
resulted in:
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
B. Update on Status of Exclusive Negotiation Agreement (ENA) for the Sale of the
Glendon Hotel
On May 25, 2010, the Rosemead Community Development Commission approved an
Exclusive Negotiating Agreement (ENA) with Garden Group Real Estate Company,
Ltd. (Qiao Garden Group) for the development of a Purchase and Sale Agreement of 8832
Glendon Way (Glendon Hotel). On July 27„ 2010 ,, the ENA was extended to November 20,
2010. 0 / '
Over the last few months, staff has been working with the Qiao Garden Group on the
development of a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the Glendon Hotel. There have been
several requests made by both parties that need to be completed before a Purchase and
Sale Agreement can be finalized. It is projected that these tasks will take longer to complete
than the 90 calendar days provided for in the amended ENA. Therefore, it is recommended
that the Commis "sion -extent the ENA with the Qiao Garden Group until April 13, 2011. Within
ten (10) days of the.ENA approval, Qiao Garden Group will make a $100,000 deposit to the
Commission extend the Exclusive
Negotiating Agreement with Qiao:Ga den Group Real Estate Company, Ltd. for the
development of a Purchase and Sale Agreement of the Glendon Hotel until April 13, 2011.
Chairman Taylor asked for this item to bedeferred to next meeting for closed session. He asked staff to
bring back a report for clarification of what4s happened in the past five weeks. The agreement started as a
90 day, then it got extended, and now another extension for 11 months.
Executive Director Allred stated that this item couldl still got to closed session and added that on the next
meeting there will be a 30 minute presentation by Brenda Honeymiller from the area D Emergency
Prepareness, a requirement that the City Council has to have.
Chairman Taylor reiterated that he did not understand what has happened in the last five weeks. Several
requests have been made by both parties and would like that clarified as to why the agreement is being
extended for almost a year.
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City Council
Meeting Agenda
The regular meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called to order by Mayor Taylor at 7:03 p.m. in the
Rosemead City Council Chamber located at 8838 East Valley Boulevard, Rosemead, California.
FLAG SALUTE: Mayor Taylor
INVOCATION: Mayor Pro Tern Ly
PRESENT: Mayor Taylor, Mayor Pro Tern Ly, Council Members Arme a, Cla k.and,Low
STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Allred, City Attorney Richman, Community Development Director Wong,
Director of Finance Brisco, Director of Parks and Recreation Montgomery- Scott, Economic Development
Administrator Ramirez, Public Affairs Manager Flores, Deputy Public Works Director Marcare and City
Clerk Molleda
6. PRESENTATION
Emergency Preparedness Month
Mandy Wong, Public Safety Coordinator w
Ms. Wong invited Council and the commun
with special guest speaker, April Kelcy.
Tanya Cusick — Target Manager
City Councfill5resented=
continue support of the
Annive "rsary&h of July F
Lady Hawks Re(
City Council pies\ d
Cordinator thanked City
it Emergency Prepareness.
at the Public Safety Center
Cusick, Target Manager a certificate of appreciation and recognition for their
r'Rosemead's National Night Out celebration, partnership on the 50th
September 11 Memorial project.
to of recognition to the California Lady Hawks. Lisa Carraso, Team
staff and parents for their support.
Council MemberArmenta stated that they are very proud of the California Lady Hawks and she was given a
pen where it commemorates the Team for the past 20 years. The Lady Hawks have helped girls go to college
with the scholarships available.
Mayor Taylor stated it was nice to see a group of young people participating in sports. Also added, three full
time employees go through the city removing graffiti and it's pleasing to see young people participating in
sports or something that is very constructive.
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• California Contract Cities Association - President Laura Olhasso
Laura Olhasso President of Contract Cities and Council Member of La Canada Flintridge thanked council
for their membership. Ms. Olhasso stated there are 70 member cities who contract for their municipal
services. The purpose of the association is to service those cities through education, advocacy, networking,
and organization administration.
Council Member Clark spoke in appreciation of Contract Cities Association and reiterated that one of the
reasons why Rosemead is doing all right is because the city contracts for police and fire services.
Ms. Olhasso stated that cities that contract for services usually pay less legal fees.
Council Member Armenta commended the association for their hard work and dedication and was honored
to be part of the executive board.
7. PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE
Dolores Weideman expressed concern with a property located on Mis`siorrand Walnut Grove on the west
side, which is Edison property. Ms. Weideman stated that it's an eye ore and its unacceptable the way
Edison has not maintained the property and residents have expressed concern as well.
Mayor Taylor stated that city staff will look at the situation and see why itsrioYbeing cleaned up.
Daniel Garcia spoke about the emergency preparedness proclamation and asked if people were prepared
for an emergency such as peoffe ith disabilities, schools, hospitals, and seniors.
Mayor Taylor replied the city is tr
Rosemead. Mr. Taylor clarified tl
earthquake situations; also wetha
city can do. We try to advise p of
involved. The city tries to do prep
they come together and flyers are
Mr. Garcia reiterated that there should
vide the services they can; there are 57,000 people living in
did not have jurisdiction in hostpitals and they are aware of
department,.the fire department and there is only so much any
ve'diff6f6fi functions, once a month trying to get community
there are senior citizens groups, the community centers where
, thecity is doing best they can.
protocol that involves people with disabilities and seniors.
Mayor Taylor requested that item 10A, High Speed Rail be moved up for discussion.
Council Member Armenta made a motion, second by Mayor Pro Tern Steven Ly, to move up agenda
item 10A— High Speed Rail Authority Update for discussion. Vote resulted in:
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: none
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10. MATTERS FROM MAYOR & CITY COUNCIL
A. California High Speed Rail Authority ( CHSRA) Update
The City Council will review and discuss recent information and dialogue concerning the
California High Speed Rail project that is proposed to be constructed through the San
Gabriel Valley. Two of the four proposed alternative routes being considered by the CHSRA
would pass through Rosemead. (One alternative route through Rosemead would be along
the 1 -10 Freeway and the other alternative route would be along the SR -60 Freeway.)
At the request of the City of Rosemead, neighboring cities and the San Gabriel Valley
Council of Governments, the CHSRA has agreed to address various concerns that have
been expressed by holding a community meeting, which has been scheduled as follows:
Date: Wednesday, October 6t"
Time: 4 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Location: Grace Black Auditorium
3130 Tyler Avenue
El Monte
At this community meeting citizens will have an oppoitu iity obtain information and voice
their concerns. City representatives will also attend the meeting`
Recommendation: That the City Council determine whether any additional actions are
needed at this
City Manager Jeff Allred` - Mi
Rail Authority project a e
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s of the City Council this is an update on the California High Speed
tonight Valerie Martinez with the California High Speed Rail
`ations.for the,Southern California area. She would like to make a
o`re we.take;coomments from the public and the Council.
iank,you,so,much for inviting us to come down; inviting me and my crew
)n about;the California High Speed Rail System. Before we get started,
am going to make, I'm really hoping.... I brought a video with us because
iat's it going to look and feel like ?" So we brought a short video that will
on of what the piece, what the system will look like. It will also give you
n the State wide level.
Video was played and the audio was as follows:
`in 2000 Californians made more than half billion trips between the State different regions. By 2030 the
number will double to nearly one billion. (Inaudible) on our roads, our airports, ever increasing some
population and economy growth.
With the passage of Proposition lA in November 2008, California established itself as the leader for building
America's first world class environmentally friendly transportation alternative for the 21 Century. A truly high
speed system rivaling the best known systems already operating in 11 countries around the world. Traveling
in speeds of up to 220 miles per hour over an 800 mile route; it will whisk riders from Downtown Los Angeles
to Downtown San Francisco in just over 2 and % hours.
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California's High Speed Train System will be the largest public works project undertaken in the State in 50
years. Building this state of the art network will create more than 600 thousand construction jobs and another
450 thousand permanent jobs.
(Inaudible) electrically powered high speed trains will also provide crucial environmental benefits by usingjust
113 the energy per passenger of airplanes and 115 the energy per passenger of automobiles. High speed
trains will help California meet long term goals by reducing green house gases; eliminating as much as 12
million pounds per year and reducing the State's demand for oil by 12.7 million barrels annually.
With trains carrying up to one thousand passengers departing as frequently as every 5 minutes during peak
hours; high speed trains will carry as many as one hundred million passengers per year by 2030. About 10%
of the State's interregional traffic. Train stations will be developed to connect -with local and regional transits
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systems and airports. Locating stations within an existing transportationgorndors will continue to promote
transit oriented development within urban centers; helping ease urban '(naudible) and lose of open space.
The first step in building California's high speed train is design an environmental review. State and Federal
law require a full environmental analysis to assure that all significant environmental impacts are identified and
mitigated with alternatives fully considered. In 2005, the California High Speed Rail Authdntq completed the
first level of environmental review for the full State wide system.
Now the Authority is preparing detailed project level environmental review reports for each individual section
of this system. Those sections are San Francisco to San Jose, San Jose to Merced; Merced to Sacramento;
Merced to Fresno; Fresno to Bakersfield; Bakersfield.to Palmdale; Palmdale to Los Angeles; Los Angeles to
Anaheim; Los Angeles to San Diego via the Inla'nd*Empire.,Iaddition, the Authority and Regional Partners
are pursuing a passenger rail improvement projecflin the'(inaudlble) corridor connecting Stockton and San
Jose. V
Each of these sections will undergo a separate detailed environmental review, public input from individual
residents who live along the proposed high speed line, toNocal governments, and non - governmental
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organizations is part of the planning process. Community } meetings are held to provide citizens with details
about the projects in each section and to listen, answer questions, and seek input.
Next a draft environmental impact report and statement will be issued identifying preferred routes through
each sectionlA s ces and round of public input and review will occur before a final analysis is completed and
route selection is made. .
While construction of local prcjects�necessary to support the system could begin as early as 2010,
construction of peak components of the high speed train are expected to begin in earnest by 2012. High
speed train systems are among the most sophisticated engineering projects in the world. To build a high
speed train route California will -draw the expertise and experience of those who already built other high
speed train systems. Building bridges, tunnels, track acquire for high speed train travel will create
hundreds of thousands of pbs. Early benefits will be evident as existing conventional train corridors are
upgraded with electrification, improve track, separated grades that eliminate crossings and bell safe
automatic stop safety control systems.
As construction continues California's first high speed train will begin running out of designated test station.
Engineers will fine tune the many complex systems that make high speed train travel the safest in the world.
By 2020 passenger service will begin on the Anaheim/Los Angeles to San Francisco backbone of the system,
a route of roughly 500 miles, the Merced /Sacramento and Los Angeles to San Diego sections will then come
into service several years later, completing the entire 800 mile system.
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The California High Speed Rail Authority's Board of Directors, appointed by the Governor and the
Legislature, is committed to managing the project at the highest level of fiscal accountability. An independent
and qualified paid review committee will also review the planning, engineering, and financing of the California
High Speed Rail Authority's plans. Periodic audits will be performed by the State Auditor.
California is on track to the future, clean electrically powered high speed trains are the best means for
meeting Californian's mobility to man in the 21St Century and will put Californians at the forefront of the
emerging green economy.
By providing unprecedented, safe, comfortable, environmentally sustainable travel from city center to city
center, California is leading the way to America's future. The future begins now."
Valerie Martinez — Well that gives you a high level overview of the project from the State wide perspective,
talking about the fact, what the system looks like what the train wilrlook like. I now have a very brief
PowerPoint presentation that brings it down to the local area..On of'the things I really want to emphasize, as
Matt is calling up that presentation, is some of the timing, you saw there was a phase 1 — phase 2 component
in there. L.A. to San Diego via the Inland Empire, which1nclu'des this portion along the San Gabriel, within
the San Gabriel Valley, is phase 2 and one of the things they did'say in•the video is that we are several years
down the road from even beginning construction for this phase~So some of the timelines you saw there, that
is specifically from L.A. to Anaheim, I'm sorry, for San Francisco to b;A.and Anaheim, it does not include L.A.
to San Diego. So we can go over some of that right now. Just again, bheflygoing over what you just saw.
This is an 800 mile systems steel wheel on steel rail, hundred percent clean electric power, reducing
pollution. We are building to a maximum of operating speed of 220 miles pe�hour, mind you that 220 is what
we will be hitting in say the Central Valley and in very low populated areas and urban areas will be hitting
probably about 110, 125. Note4hat'high speed rail in Europe and in Asia typically is about 130, 140 miles per
hour, so in California the system that e,are building is state of the art. It will actually be faster than what we
have seen in other counries. It is safe dedicated tract and it is faster, cheaper, and more convenient than air
travel. Why we need it? Jobs�.you saw the numbers in the video, six hundred thousand full time one year
construction related jobs of equivalence, fve`thousand permanent operations and maintenance jobs, four
hundred and fifty thousand economy wid jobs ?So that includes, jobs that are related to the system,
as well as, various conference and business bureau type job, restaurants, hotels that will be created,
specifically in or in centers where there are stations as well. As I said there is, this is a phase approach to
construction. This is that first phase that we are looking at right here... it is this portion up here to San
Francisco to through the Central Valley, into Palmdale, into Union Station, and then down to Anaheim. The
two sections down here L.A. to San Diego via the Inland Empire, this includes the San Gabriel Valley, and
this portion right here and of course this area over here that we've talked about, including Merced to
Sacramento and the..... corridor is phase two and is several years down the road. And frankly can only move
forward with... if the funding is in place to do so. Now focusing on L.A. to San Diego via the Inland Empire,
again this is this purple section right here. Where we are at right now is we are really trying to work with our
partner agencies, develop MOU's, develop... gather information. We are kind of in a fact finding mode right
now for this particular section, which is why we're working with these particular entities, as well as, going to
various cities and working directly with city staff and with city council. To get feedback to get information
about what is happening in particular cities. What don't we know, what do we need to know. We are putting
some occasional informal lines on paper, saying okay what if we did this, and kind of getting some feedback,
that's where we are at right now. One of the entities that we are really hoping we are going to be adding to
this group, sooner than later, is the San Gabriel Valley COG, we have been meeting with Nick Conway .... we
met with him yesterday and it was a very positive meeting and I think that's a very critical component to
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ensuring that we are communicating appropriately with San Gabriel Valley cities. We've been working with
Metro... in fact Alex Clifford is here from Metro. They have been working frankly as a liaison to help us in
terms of addressing transportation issues and connectivity. As well as communication with cities to gather
this information in order to move forward with our environmental process.
The coordination for an 800 mile system, as you can imagine, is tremendous. We need to work with a lot of
offices, with a lot of agencies, just for this one section, for L.A. to San Diego and this is only from L.A. to San
Diego; we have three Caltrans districts, four counties, nearly 100 cities, and alignments through 19
congressional districts, 23 state senate districts, 31 state assembly districts... this is important and here is
why. We are, this project is absolutely being designed in coordination with cities and this is why. All of our
funding is coming from the State, from the Feds and you know, a lot of it is public funding in additional to ... in
addition to a lot of P -3 funding, public private partnership funding. The only way we're going to get private -
public partnership funding is if in fact we get this initial public funding. The only way we are going to get the
public funding is if in fact we are working in a very, very collaborate manner with our partner cities and again
in addition to the funding frankly as you can imagine with an 800Aile system in the hundreds of cities and
communities that we're working with, if in fact we just kind of stor oop these communities, we are going to
end up in court for many, many, many years and frankly, w we ant to build this system. So it is absolutely in
everyone's best interest as we build this system that wework very specifically with the communities... that
we're looking at alignments through to ensure that we're building appropriately. Again, right now just from
L.A. to San Diego, this is 170 mile corridor; however, we are looking at alignments that equate to 515 miles,
okay so that means, I'll show you a map in just a moment, that just through the western part of the San
Gabriel Valley what that looks like. We need to find eight stations, in order to find eight stations we are
looking at 18 different candidate sites. And there are 18 cities frankly that fighting for these stations; they
want these stations badly because of the economic development that this brings. So we are meeting with
stake holders, we are working through technical working groups, and doing briefings throughout these
corridors to try to determine what these alternatives can look like.
This is the map that I was just talking about and in the western portion of the San Gabriel Valley; right now we
have basically four different alignments that we are looking at. This is Boyle Heights right here, I'm going to
move away from Boyle Heights for just a moment because that's a whole different ball of wax. Basically all
the red lines in here are potential alignments through the San Gabriel Valley. Here we have, if you see it's a
double red line- 11:1'%cause they are two different alignments; one of them is along the U -P, which is an
existing right-of-w Union Pacific. The other one is an adjacent U -P adjacent right -of -way, again this is
Union Pacific adjacent, it does goes through a variety of cities. But this is .... yes? Oh I'm sorry.
Council Member Clark the adjacent track or property...
..
Valerie Martinez '�n
Council Member Clark��wroowns that?
Valerie Martinez — right nods owned by a variety of entities, including mostly private entities and some of
it public.
Council Member Clark— so it's not Union Pacific that owns the....
Valerie Martinez — no, this right here ... U -P adjacent is not Union Pacific. But Union Pacific does have a
certain amount of control over it because they have .... the way rights are determined is within a certain
number of feet outside of their own right -of -way, they still have a say so about how that property can be
utilized.
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Council Member Clark– so how much of the adjacent do they....
Valerie Martinez – I can look that up...I think it's a 100 feet but again that is something I'd have to go look at
for you.
Council Member Clark– so if they said no, where could you still do it in the right -of -way.
Valerie Martinez – if they said no, it would be a real challenge.
Council MemberArmenta – Mr. Mayor, if I may, have they not already
Valerie Martinez – they've said no a number times.
Council MemberArmenta – ok, so its not a potential, its not a
Valerie Martinez – well it is a potential route at this point because we haven't been able to take it off but you
are absolutely right, you're absolutely right and I was going to get there. In fact U -P has been very, clear
about the fact that they do not want us either on the right -of -way or adjacent to it. Another potential route that
we are looking at is along the SR -60, okay, and there another potential route that we are looking at is along
the 1 -10 corridor and that of course is the corridor that would have a potential impact on the City of
Rosemead.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly– actually Mr. Mayor if I may
Mayor Taylor– yes Mr. Ly.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly– I actually know that the SR -60 dobs,have impact to our city as well...
Valerie Martinez – on that's right all the way to then
Mayor Pro
- Tei5 y on t*southern end
– you're right, you're right, I'm sorry I forgot about that portion that goes right by Montebello.
Council Merriber Low– Mr. Mayor, question...
Mayor Taylor– yes`WNI—o /
Council Member Low J1ose two, the white dots there, those are the potential stations?
Valerie Martinez –these are the potential stations. There's two different... very close, obviously, station
options here. This is in El Monte, this is the transit center, where there they not only currently have the bus
center but they want to create a more expanded transit village. I think they are calling it Gateway El Monte
now and then here's another option down here, I believe there's a Metro Link station there. Again the primary
element that we are looking at when we are talking about potential station cities is that we need to have
connectivity. We really don't want to create a situation where we're putting more cars on the freeway; we
want to create opportunities for folks to get on high speed train via bus, via Metro Link, via light rail, other
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options, and you know, that's why right here we have a Metro Link station. There's an opportunity there and
here you have a lot of opportunity because you do have the buses, the Metro Link station nearby, umm
etcetera. Now the reason this map looks like this, let me also say that I'm not going to get into any more
detail than this, is because frankly this is where we are with our planning, there are a lot of, you know, maps
that perhaps our engineers pulled together when they meet with city staff because again, we are really trying
to drill down and say okay, well you know, what does this mean if we do this, if we do that. At this point this is
as far as we've gone; however, as we've talked to a number of cities, as we've talked to city managers, as
we've talked to community groups, as we've talked to Nick Conway at the San Gabriel Valley COG,
consistently, consistently, what we are being told is that .... cause initially we were saying well we don't know
how we'd go through along the 1 -10, we don't know if we'd be north of it, south of it or within the median.
Consistently we are being told that there is no option frankly the only way the San Gabriel Valley cities will
tolerate high speed rail coming through on the 10 would be in the median or where there are absolutely
minimum impacts to any of the communities along the route. And that has absolutely been heard; there's a
decision making process here, where as we continue on, as part environmental process things will
become more solidified, at this point, as you said the U -P is still here even though they have said that they
are not interested in having us anywhere near them; however, r as I told earlier this system is absolutely
committed to ensuring that as where design that we are =ddmg ink
o in cooperation, in collaboration with the
cities that we are working with and what the cities are telling us along he-1 =10,is that there is no other option
than the median option. -
Mayor Taylor— how many cities have told you that? Which cities are
Valerie Martinez — uum, Alhambra, San Gabriel...
Mayor Taylor— San Gabriel has made that commitment?
Valerie Martinez — theeir commitment right now is informal but that's coming.
Mayor Taylor — we haven t seen =the
ir o4ul,
Valerie Martinez — yes.
Mayor Taylor — Alhambra we know
Valerie Martinez — yes, West Covina. Again several of them have been unofficial; all of them frankly I would
tell you that unofficially all of them have been very, very clear that we need to stay within the existing right -of-
way to ensure that there are little or no impacts at all to homes and to businesses, and to commercial
properties along the existing right -of -way. And depending on what city, obviously, you have different impacts
right....
Mayor Taylor— how do we go about getting an official statement from those cities... other than, Alhambra
has written a letter is that correct?
Valerie Martinez — Yes, and the COG has also written a letter. And several other cities are in fact writing
letters that basically are speaking to the fact that the most logical, most... the only tolerable option going
through the San Gabriel Valley along the 1 -10 is through the median.
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Mayor Taylor— all right, thank you.
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— Mr. Mayor...
Mayor Taylor— yes, Mr. Ly
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— I should also point out that the city of Rosemead in February took that same action as
well.
Valerie Martinez — yes you did.
Council Member Armenta — Mr. Mayor and I believe that tonight we are going to take a vote as far as to
either change the verbiage of that letter. /�
Mayor Pro Tom Ly— well I don't know if that letter was actually s that letter actually written Mr. Allred? I
believe we had a position ... I don't know that we actually had a letter. ,,
Council Member Armenta — well I believe that today we are`goingtorridtion,or actually propose that a letter,
a formal letter be written to the High Speed Rail Authority.
Mayor Taylor— Mr. Allred, do you remember a lettergoing out? It did'n:t come with my signature.
Jeff Allred — I'm not sure we sent a letter; we are, lb- to researchkdhat7:Aack in February I think.
Mayor Taylor— yes.
Valerie Martinez — and I'll be honest with you, I remeinber...I'm going off the fact that I read the newspaper
article that spoke to the position being taken by the Council and I can't remember seeing a letter. That
doesn't mean it didn't go to Sacramento cause every once in a while they forget to send me ... forward me this
letters. So, but I was aware that in fact the Council had taken a position and this had been reported in the
newspaper.
Clark= unfortunately the position was to support if it's in the median.
Mayor Pro\T�ein,Ly— no, I believe the position was to oppose.
Council MemberArmenta —
Council Member Clark-.1615- we're on record, support if it's in the median.
Council Member Armenta — and we all know that they don't hear the if...
Council Member Clark — because that was at the request of the SR -60 coalition; they didn't want it going
down the 60 and at the time we didn't have any idea that there would be any chance of going... taking homes
on the north or south side.
Council Member Armenta — right.
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Council Member Clark — so I'd have never supported that if 1 thought there was any chance...
Valerie Martinez — I think the message that was received by the Authority and I honestly, as we just said that
I can't remember how that was framed, was definitely that the city of Rosemead was in favor of the benefits
that the project will bring, as long as, it minimized impact despite being in the median... that was definitely,
however it was worded, that was the impression that was left with the Authority.
Council Member Armenta — well at this point we, there's impacts of going down the median also that I would
like you to elaborate a little bit on because when you were showing the video it showed...
Valeria Martinez — yeah, there's that one that has the really big arks, I thlnk ttiey were designed to look
pretty but they are not necessary cause if you saw in most of the other Visual: most of the other
visualizations, you see the canopy but you don't see those big sloops, its tust the first visualization that you
see; its that big, it's that big bridge, and I think it's design to look pretty which I person all think that it misses
but that's just me (laughter).:
Mayor Taylor— I don't see anything in your proposal right here explaining the 50 foot wide tli-that will run
with the rails.
Valerie Martinez — you're talking about if in fact we're in the median and if there would be an elevated
structure.
Mayor Taylor— yes, there would be 50 foot
that here anywhere.
ing along side of the tracks. I don't see
Valerie Martinez — because there's, there's nothing
decisions, there are no proposal that would actually
the center median, one of the options is to be an ele
looked at. There can be trenching, there can be tun
align
9 —
Mayor,Taylor— yeah
of our materials that ...because there are no
iat moving forward in that way. In fact, if we are in
Fadk , there are other options as well that can be
'there are other vertical, that's call the vertical
Valerie Martinez — there are other'options. The goal is to ensure that we don't build in such a way that we
are impacting outside of the right'�,of way so we are not impacting homes to the north or the south and you
know if in fact we are in an elevated structure that does ensure that we do not impact homes north or south.
Because obviously, you know,,you have the narrow beams that the structure is actually able to sit upon and
it's the structure on top p of t kind of similar to what you might see if you go along the 110 and you have
that structure in the middle the of the freeway. I think, is that Metro Link or is that a light rail.
Mayor Taylor— that's the rails that go between the....
Valerie Martinez — it's very similar to that.
Mayor Taylor— alright.
Council Member Clark— but I was told by one of your representatives that the poles are 20 feet wide.
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Valerie Martinez — the poles themselves?
Council Member Clark— yeah, that would support weight above... so is there room within the median?
Valerie Martinez — oh there is definitely room within the median.
Council Member Clark— for two tracks or just one?
Mayor Taylor— I think you are talking about two different things. The median down at rail level .... that 20 foot
wide shouldn't applied down there at ground level?
Council Member Clark— no, I'm talking about aerial.
Valerie Martinez — if in fact we have an aerial structure, obviously, welare going to have beams that are
going to be holding it up. ,/ A
Mayor Taylor— columns....
Valerie Martinez — thank you columns, I'm not sure what those columns....what the diameter is. I don't
believe it is 20 feet wide but again I can get those numbers for you. WhafVcan tell you is that based on the
surface engineering and let me be clear about how we are at one or two pe ent at this point, we're at one or
two percent engineering.
Council Member Clark— whattdo:you,mean by that?
Valerie Martinez well•when you talk 4bbut engineering design and, and my engineers unfortunately have
trained me to think in tom , of'percentages...when you are ready to build you are at 100% in design, right? 11 But all along the way you keep,doing.more and-more ngineering so for instance, first you see, okay can it,
can this corridor sustain this okay. you start.to say okay now as we begin to build can this corridor still
sustain this based on this new information that we have as we continue to move forward with the designing
and engineering. And you kind of keep asking_that question over and over so that when we get to the point
that we have our draft environmental impact report that's 30% design. When in fact we go to design build
then we have a contractor that will do the design build component. At 30% you have an alignment and you're
clear about the various impacts are along that alignment. Then from there you actually design on paper or on
a computer at this point, what that would look like; at 30% is where you're actually clear about what all those
kind of details are. Right now we're at 1 %
Council Member Armenta — Mr. Mayor if I may; I know when I attended the Alhambra Council Meeting, they
showed a similar map and the gentleman that was speaking on behalf of the California Rail Authority said
that everything in red was going to aerial.
Valerie Martinez — he said that, I was there and I agree he said that. And afterward we had a clear
conversation about how we're not sure that's absolutely the case. Because I have the experience of working
on three sections including L.A. / San Diego but also L.A. to Anaheim and L.A. to Palmdale and L.A. to
Anaheim is one of our sections that is moving the fastest where when we applied for stimulus funding that
was one of those sections that that qualified for stimulus funding cause it was perceive as shovel ready, okay,
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there at I say 20 -25% design at this point, okay so huge difference. And there's a huge change, there have
been a lot of changes, even just within the last year, of what that corridor looks like. My friends the engineers,
who have made very clear comments a year ago about what the system would look like are kind of eating
crow now because it has changed a lot, based on community input.
Council Member Armenta — What's the probability that you find that it will go aerial or above grade?
Valerie Martinez —' I honestly don't know, I think, I think it's going to have to be a collaborate effort with the
city based on what the city knows versus what high speed rail knows based on the math and science. And
the goal here is to build a system that is appropriate for the corridor and appropriate operationally;
operationally functional, okay so again, as we build and we build appropriately for the corridor it will, it will
absolutely be a collaborate effort to determine what the most appropriate elevation is, if we decide to move
through the 1 -10 corridor, which again it's still a big if.
Council Member Armenta — Mr. Mayor if I may?
Mayor Taylor— yes, Ms. Armenta
Council MemberArmenta — although I appreciate the video that you presented, nowhere on the video did
you show a close proximity to homes on a high density area.
Valerie Martinez — right. ' � .
Council Member Armenta — you know we need to,see that w ell to see how the impacts are going to be to
our residents and to our community.
Valerie Martinez — right, well you are absolutely correctsand part of what we do through the environmental
process is begin to drill down on if in fact we're aerial, if�in we're in a trench, if we're in a tunnel, what are
those impacts to the local communities. Again, the goal is to in a way that is appropriate for the
communities because again a variety of reasons; one, fiscal, you know, financial — one of them just from the
time stand point of it; we•don't want to be in, in court you know for the next 20 years. We want to actually
build the system it's•absolutely critical that as we design that we design in a manner that is appropriate to
the communities, while also ensuring that we're building an appropriate system, I mean, at the same time,
rights We don't want to do one those things that one of L.A. City Council Member consistently likes to hold
up the green:`ine. We're all familiar with the fact that the green line actually stops a mile from LAX so that you
can take the green line to and immediately hop on a plane. It takes a variety of changes and actually it's
easier to take the bus from Downtown L.A. to LAX than it's actually to go from the green line and make the
transitions over to LAX, you know,, so no one of course wants to create that sort of situation. We want to
build a system that is app} ate and functional but also that it's appropriate for the communities we are
going through. 1!
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— Mr. Mayor
Mayor Taylor— yes Mr. Ly.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— I believe the green line is often referred to as the line to nowhere because it is the line
to nowhere. My concern and I believe the whole Council has shared this concern because when we initially
took this issue up in February and we were talking to the SR -60 Coalition about... their concern of course and
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same as Rosemead's concern is that if you were going to build along the 60 freeway, it would totally impact
the Gold Line, light rail line that would either go down either along the 60 freeway or into Whittier and it went
on the 60 freeway it would be a significant benefit to our community benefiting a huge commercial corridor in
our area. So we were going to take the issue up on the 10 freeway and that's when we noticed that initially if
it went on the north or south end it would impact homes and that's something that I know for this Council it's
not tolerable; it's not tolerable at all. We do not support eminent domain, we do not support the elimination of
any of our residential homes, if it went along the south and it would certainly impact a lot of our public right -of-
way, as well as, our homes. If it's on the north end, a lot of our homes, I believe you gave us a map that we
saw that would show if it (inaudible) 250 feet what that would look like and from here you know, along
Rosemead, all of Olney is gone...`
Council MemberArmenta— actually that was submitted by our staff.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— okay, well thank you Chris, I believe, I'm sure d
Council MemberArmenta — yeah, Chris is actually who did it.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— well on this map all of Olney would be gone, as well as a good portion,of our Target
Center, as well as, a good portion of our UFC Gym, which just opened. As well as, portions of our Glendon
Inn Hotel, which actually is demolish, might not.be a bad thing but that's another story for another day, so that
itself is intolerable I think. And in fact I read an�Able.today in the Mercury News about San Jose taking up
the issue and right now for them their big debate �is whe`herthey should get an aerial track or an underground
track and their concern of course in undergrounding it is that its 2.5 billion dollars more expensive and the
likely of that happening, you know won't happen, is�basi callyy4hat it'§ 'saying. But something that they
mentioned was really interesting and I think you mentioned this as well:iss the L.A. to Anaheim route; how
portions of that you are talking about undergrounding the tunnels, you're talking about sharing tracks with
Metro Link, you know these are things that this Council, at least, for myself have been pushing for. Especially
with the sharing of the tracks with Metro Link, which would really reduce impact to the community, would put it
at grade, and would also, I believe, potentially improve that area. I know that Alhambra mentioned at their
meeting, like Council'Member Armenta mentioned, that along the area there were discussions about how
Metro Link.had p ential vi brat on, as well as, potential noise and that one of the benefits of building... if it's
share %track with high sp d rail,then you would have to mitigate... well you wouldn't have to but I would hope
you would to mitigate those issues on your EIR. So those are definitely some, I believe, some concerns
that if L.A�to.Anaheim you're looking at undergrounding, you're looking at sharing Metro Links tracks then
you should be looking at this regionlas well. Of course, politically at what I'm looking at, here's what I'm
seeing... Anaheim] theMayor of Anaheim is Curt Pringle, who's the chairman of the Authority, is he getting
special treatment here ?`'P,ortios the Palmdale to L.A. route, I believe you are also looking at
undergrounding as well�R Richard Katz, represents that area, former assemblyman, former assemblyman I
believe in that area, you know he's on the Metro Board; he's a friend of the Westside, he's not necessarily a
friend of the San Gabriel Valley. I don't think that the San Gabriel Valley or the Inland Empire has a real
representative on the High Speed Rail Authority and that's the biggest concern that I have with the High
Speed Rail Authority is, this Council answers to constituency; the people out here voted us in, we serve them,
we serve their will. The High Speed Rail Authority has no constituency, they serve the governor and they
serve the two appointees of the Speaker of the Assembly as well as the Senate Pro Tern ... the problem is the
Governor has been quite clear that this is a priority of his, the high speed rail will be built, regardless the
anything else that happens. Both candidates for governor have voiced the same position as well so I guess, I
understand the concern of our community out here as well as the concerns of this Council that how do we
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know that the Rail Authority will actually work with us regardless of what position we take, they will work with
us, to make sure that no matter what route you chose you are mitigating the impact, we are not talking about
eminent domain, we are not talking about eliminating Rosemead homes to commercial corridors, what can
you do to guarantee that?
Valerie Martinez — well there's two things. One the comments that I made earlier, about the fact that we
need to answer to the Congressional Members and the Assembly Members and Senate Members, along your
corridor and let me be clear that your members of Congress and your Assembly Members and Senators have
been very, very, clear with us about the fact that, and those are part of those some of those voices are
absolutely saying if you are going to go along the 1 -10 then you need to go along the median because you are
not going to take homes. Congressman Chu has been very clear about what that reality is. So there's that,
the other element is that this right -of -way is actually owned by Metro, okay now, you are clearly represented
by Metro and if in fact we are building in a way that is inappropriate then Metro as the owner of the property
can actually tell us that we cannot build within that right-of-way. S6 there is checks and balances in the
system. Again, the culture of the High Speed Rail Authority and -fr nkly�the examples that you're giving are
very clear examples of how this project has tried to conform to the needs to the individual communities by
finding areas where in fact there's no other choice, we have to other areas where there's no other
choice, we have to trench, is some areas we have to share a track. An %e'v
we done so in a manner that
hopefully at the end of the day, you know, the goal is to have a system that's appropriate. This section is
nowhere near, as far along as say L.A. / Anaheim so I can't at this poiot;hold up clear engineering changes
but what I can hold up as a demonstration of the desire by the Authorityto work with communities are a
couple things. Initially, we were going to go to the Authority Board in Sept`embejto try and get our preliminary
alternatives analysis out, that is kind of that high level, this map only more refine, it begins to say, okay U -P
doesn't want us, maybe we need to take the U -P off maybe we don't but the Authority, this is like an unofficial
map. We don't have an officialrmap'yet because there has not been a map that has been voted on by the
Authority, if that makes sensed his�is the map we're using, it's unofficial but it's all we have, I know I need to
show you something, so'this.is what we're working off. If in fact we had gone to the Authority in September
this map might have to ko ed;different, okay the residents in the community.... well and, and Nick Conway and
r.
the various cities within the align mentrwdhin the•San Gabriel Valley basically we're the ones who initially
brought up the problem with that time ne, in to °Metro. Saying, moving this quickly before we've had
an opportunity to even though this sso preliminary, have that first hearing with some of our Council is a
problem. So initially, we pushed the meeting.back to or the presentation for the Board back to October. As a
result of ongoing discussions; we've now pushed it back to what we are calling TBD (to be determine) it's not
yet posted, we are not clear when that's going to move forward. It may be February based on a request by
the San Gabriel Valley COG. You know, based on the discussions that we've had that makes a lot of sense,
okay, but that's one thing I can point to. The other thing I can point to is the fact that the COG has said we
need; we need more community meetings so that in fact the community is aware of what's going on. So that
the Councils have the opportunity to speak to the community and air it and so you can get not just form City
Managers and transit agencies but from, you know, real residents what their thoughts are about these maps.
And so, in fact, we have set up a meeting, I think I saw this listed on the agenda explanation but also I have
that slide that talks about the fact, we are going to have a community meeting in El Monte on October 6th;
that's the first meeting we've set up. Since then we've had further discussions, again, one of them yesterday
with Nick Conway but also with Metro and other stake holders throughout the corridor was to set, just doing it
out in El Monte is not appropriate. The San Gabriel Valley demands that in fact you go to as many cities as
possible to make it convenient for local residents and as of yesterday.... so this is kind of breaking news, one
of our deputy directors said okay you know what I get it, let's do it. So there is that responsiveness you are
seeing already, I can't point to engineering elements but I can speak to again changes in timeline.
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Mayor Taylor- you made a comment a minute about one of your directors says, he or she gets it... now.
Valerie Martinez - well...
Mayor Taylor- what is that in reference to... now let's let the public know what's going on?
Valerie Martinez - no, no, no. There... it's, it's more along the lines of different sections have different... the
San Gabriel Valley has more cities than most other sections, right? L.A. to Palmdale has Glendale, Burbank;
I think Santa Clarita, San Fernando and then there's L.A. !/
Mayor Taylor- but you say you have no plan at this time of what's gooing_`t&happ n? Where the rail is going
or which route is going to take and yet on October the 6th, this is something I was just surprised to see here,
this is what was passed out in Alhambra, it says....
Valerie Martinez - that's that same map.
Mayor Taylor- it says September the 13th, okay but it has notes on it, the blue squares.
Valerie Martinez - yeah, the blue squares
blue squares speak to the fact that we need
various minor adjustments that has started, frankly, the
j, the, the median in, in, in, specifically the 1 -10.
Mayor Taylor -it's so small and blocked in blue
Valerie Martinez - if I had giving this to you it
I didn't....
Mayor Taylor- my point here now is the legend of this it'states, 'all areas in the red line to be aerial
structures'. So when Ms. Armenta and the comments made ' proposal right now since you have nothing
specific, I have to assume that you're going on the pretenc by that I don't mean to retract from it, but on the
assumption that'everybody's talking aerial because this is the map that was out last night. Is the same going
to go... /�,r"'". _, - I,1
- I think that\was just the map that was printed recently.
Mayor Taylor, i&dated September the 13
Valerie Martinez - right ate cause�m sure that's when it was printed. There's probably a thing on there that
says that this is the d•that it was last printed.
Mayor Taylor- well all I have is, as of September the 13th, last night, this was your map.
Valerie Martinez - when ... when we finished our program level, EIR, which was in 2005, okay we basically
said we're going to develop... it, it determined what the footprint of the system would look like; it basically said
that we're going to go through these various cities, the major cities throughout California and now we're going
to figure out how we are going to connect them, okay. At that program level if you're just talking, if we're all
just talking about okay how would we do that; the program level is everything is at grade and we are just
connecting the dots....
together, so....
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Mayor Taylor— okay when was that meeting in Alhambra?
Council Member Armenta — it was back on August the 17th.
Mayor Taylor— August 17th; you printed up this map as of last night, September the 13th; where did this
come from as of last night? It's still aerial route.
Valerie Martinez — and, and it shouldn't be.
Mayor Taylor— that's why we are so cautious about it because we get told whibt welwant to hear. And this is
something one day old and it's still the aerial the map, explaining these different notes, what you're going to
do; how's it going to be done in the median so that's why a lot of apprehension Is. And I'm not putting you on
the spot, you are here to do a job but there's how many people that are on this board that are going to vote
on it.
Valerie Martinez — uh, nine.
Mayor Taylor— nine?
Valerie Martinez — yes.
Mayor Taylor— and those are the ones that ar6goin
the most; which one gets the oil, in other words, ifine
Rosemead let's go to a bigger city.
City Attorney Rachel Richman — and Mayor if I can s,
staff person from the COG today so that's where that
the decision; well which wheel was squeaking
enough issue then well forget
fuse thatlis §omething I had; this was sent to a
from, jus(for clarification.
Mayor Taylor— I'd like to get back to another point in
project will cost some 40 billion dollars and funds are
> on the staff report here on page 1, 'the
from Federal Government and the private
sector to fill the gap. Attachment A is a list of facts regarding this project.' Who printed out
attachment ?'W e'did hat come from?
City Manager — that \was received from the City of Alhambra.
Mayor Tayloit�kay, well I don "tknow where Alhambra got it from but let me read this here. 'The proposed
design could be at.g�ade, above grade, or a 50 foot wide deck set on top of 35 foot high post every 100 feet.'
And that's what I'm questioning as far as, 50 foot wide is almost as wide as this room. So you have a 50
foot deck up there, 35 fbet -higgh and we're trying to figure out... it's like a shell game. We got this information,
we got other information, what's what, we don't know, there's no definite plan but its moving right along.
We've learn over the past that if we don't start speaking up, they're going to say, well why didn't you raise
that before.
Council Member Armenta — exactly.
Valerie Martinez — and what you are speaking of is exactly what I would encourage you to do.
Mayor Taylor— but this is our little house right here.
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Valerie Martinez — right.
Mayor Taylor— this isn't the board hearing down there or the public hearings that are official and such... so
and again I'm not referring this on you because you're here to tell us something but the word is a snow job
that somebody higher than you just keep pushing it. Keep moving it, moving it, and moving it ... the other
thing that hasn't been mentioned is in Rosemead, the north side of the freeway, I went down there over the
weekend and measured, this says, I believe it stated 250 foot wide on the... as that what the map says there?
250 foot wide?
Council Member Armenta — yes.
Mayor Taylor— I went down, I measured 215 feet; I think at the last meeting maybe if I listen to the tape,
maybe I misunderstood 215 and 250. But coming up to 215 feet•if'iYs 250; that's 35 feet more, that would be
another whole row of houses from the City limit to San Gabriel and wl ent down all the way to the City of San
Gabriel, the south side of the freeway and take down those / measurements and we have over 300 homes that
would need to be taken for this. And if its 350 thousandlollars,low I
thousand; that's 3 homes per million dollars. We have 300 homes
the two and half miles of Rosemead. Take San Gabriel, take AI
many homes are going to be taken. And then when it's done and it'?
got this 35 foot similar to landing field up there with a 50 foot wide dE
When is it going to be presentable so that people have something to
shells and not keep trying to find what's under them.
Valerie Martinez —well as I mentioned
conceptual and that's the tough part....
Mayor Taylor—
Valerie Martinez — everything tl
be in a trench, it could be this, it
Mayor Taylor— so then that's the shell
31 maybe medium price, make it 333
,lftmillion dollars just to go through
where's all the math on this, of how
ilt, if it's in the median even, you've
rJrn really... where's all the facts at?
ll�l ok at and not have to pick up the
before we are at one percent design and at one percent it's
about, the one percent is aerial.
speaks to the fact that it could be elevated, it could
one is it under?
Valerie Martinez — its conceptual.... but see that's, that's the tough part of where we're at on this process.
Where we're at a conceptual point where we are trying to get information from you and what you are telling
us is that it needs to be at the very least be within the existing right -of -way and not have impacts to the
houses, right? That's what you're telling us.
Mayor Taylor— that's right, I kind of made my point so I'll let the rest of the Council go and then we still have
the public to hear from.
Valerie Martinez — ok.
Council Member Armenta — Mr. Mayor if I may, you mentioned, where is all this money going to come from.
Well, thanks to Ms. Fairbanks I received an email that Arnold Swarchezenegger is in China right now with
Curt Pringle soliciting funds from private investors. So this is going to happen and it's going to happen fast
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because before Arnold leaves he wants, this is his pet project, we all know it's his pet project and he has until
November. So he is trying to solicit as much money as he can from China because according to the article
Swarchezenegger says, 'he is open for some creative financing'. Okay and 'from Asia to help lower cost and
help California get its proposed High Speed Rail lines up and running'. So there are going to be up and
running and there are going to be up soon and we all know this because....
Valerie Martinez — the L.A. to San Diego section is several years down the road.
Mayor Taylor— that money comes in it will be quicker than that.
Valerie Martinez — there's. there's no physical way that... given the fact that we'- needato go through CEQA
and NEPA that there's no physical, legal way that this project for this section can be built any sooner than
2022, 2023. /
Mayor Taylor— well typically what happens with your CEQA
Valerie Martinez — well if I can continue, I will actually go through the process....
Mayor Taylor— if you do it in different zones though, different districts, San Diego, Riverside;and San
Bernardino does not have to have the same EIR that we have here.
Valerie Martinez — that's not true.
Mayor Taylor— it will be done Statewide... �\
Valerie Martinez —no...
Mayor Taylor— but each area has to be checked out.
Valerie Martinez — well, we've divided the project into sections, into nine different sections, but they all fall
under the same - CEQA and NEPA provisions that require this evaluation to criteria that I have here.
I don't kn6 about you but you wanted to go ahead with your...
— no, no, no,
Mayor Taylor—
Valerie Martinez — So, ; as go through for again the L.A. to San Diego section just like every other
section. This is the evaluation and the criteria that we need to look at; it is very clear that, that community
disruption impacts is one of those criteria, that constructability is one of those criteria, we need to ensure that
right -of -way constraints are those criteria. As we build, as we design, this project needs to be designed per
CEQA, per NEPA, per the culture of the project because I've mentioned before using these evaluations in
measures and given the comments you were making earlier Mr. Mayor, in regard to the number of houses
that would be impacted if we were outside of the right -of -way, you're right... commend sense says that that
can't work.
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Mayor Taylor— okay, keep in mind though that's just Rosemead. You got a thousand through San Gabriel,
Alhambra.... that's just in our local area. We're not talking West Covina....
Valerie Martinez — that's correct, that doesn't makes sense, it doesn't make sense.
Mayor Taylor —well we'll have to find out October 6th.
Valerie Martinez — October 6th we're not going to the board; we've in fact pushed it off to another date to be
determine.
Mayor Taylor— no, I'm talking about Grace Auditorium, in El Monte.
Valerie Martinez — on I'm sorry.
Mayor Taylor— we'll have to see what is being taught there.
Valerie Martinez — the presentation will be pretty much the same presentation I'm giving
Mayor Taylor— ok.
Council Member Armenta— Mr. Mayor, if I may; can,you explain to our residents the type of meeting or
community outreach that you're doing because it's ac6a'lly.a carousel meeting. Where there's actually going
to be stations so it's not going to be a presentation \lt's going to be stations where people are going to be
able to go speak to the representatives.... \\
Valerie Martinez — you're right.
Council Member Armenta — and ask them questions and my'understanding is that they are suppose to
record these comments, correct? y
Valerie Martinez — that's correct.
Council Member Armenta — so it's not going to be a presentation, it's going to be a carousel meeting.
Valeria Martinez — right and the boards that are part of that meeting are reflective of what's in this
presentation. It provides an opportunity for people, for instance, this, this slide right here that speaks to the
environmental review process, it provides an opportunity for literally a one on one discussion to explain the
environmental review process. So for instance right here I'm about to tell you for CEQA and NEPA in
particular we are required to do scoping, have a draft EIR, and a final EIR.
Mayor Taylor— when does the scoping take place?
Valerie Martinez — the scoping took place about a year ago and that's... what we want to do in this section
from specifically Union Station and the 605; the 605 is we want to have a similar meeting and we are doing it
exactly the same as our scoping meetings to ensure the residents along this corridor are very, very clear and
are able to provide input on exactly what... residents and business owners what the concerns are, what the
issues are, what they like, what they dislike, all those sorts of things.
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Mayor Taylor— how many scoping meetings do you plan on having?
Valerie Martinez — well what we're going to do is we have, where we have this one plan, with the one on the
6th in El Monte and based on the conversation that we had yesterday with Nick Conway, with one of our
deputy directors, there's a commitment to do more. We're going to talk to the various cities and with again the
COG to determine exactly what that means. Frankly I know that there is an interest in Rosemead to have a
community meeting and I believe that that's something that we definitely should do.
Council MemberArmenta — Mr. Mayor if I may, there's four already set, four scoping meetings already set;
one in Monterey Park, one in West Covina, one in El Monte, and one in Pomona.
Mayor Taylor— when?
Council MemberArmenta — those are in October and there,scopinq meetings for...
Valerie Martinez —no.
Council Member Armenta —yes they are, I
Valerie Martinez — those are the scoping meeting that took place last
Council MemberArmenta — oh that's interesting cause it doesn't say the date', it doesn't say the year it just
states the date. Oh, so these scoping meetings took place and...
Valerie Martinez — in 2009. °i' \ `1
Council MemberArm"enti,_ these�sdoping meetings took place in El Monte, Monterey Park, Pomona,
and West Covina, why
Mayor Taylor— now we went through areal battle down here when our Wal -Mart was built and we had a
scoping meeting.... \_
Valerie Martinez — I remember it...
Mayor Taylor— okay, we had a scoping meeting; that scoping meeting became the document that was
based on what we did with the EIR and what the people were told. It was all transcribed in the minutes what
happened at that meeting so we're moving right along and you're saying its one percent done but you're
doing official requirements right now. These scoping meetings are official.
Valerie Martinez — the scoping meetings are official, the draft EIR is actually I believe what you are talking
about was the meeting that was actually held for the Wal -Mart where there actually was a discussion, the
draft EIR is actually where you have the official hearings where the residents are able to come out...
Mayor Taylor— that's based on the draft, based on what the people were told and that's what I'm afraid that
all these scoping meetings that we're talking about that creates the foundation that starts the rest of the EIR
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and the reports. What did you go out and tell the people, what did you get back, are there any reports, copies
of these scoping...
Valerie Martinez — yes there is a copy of this scoping report that is online and I can go ahead and get that for
you. I will get it and deliver it to you.
Mayor Taylor— and how many scoping meetings if they were done in 09 and Ms. Armenta is mentioning four
or five.
Valerie Martinez — I believe there were four in the San Gabriel Valley.
Council Member Low— Mr, Mayor, I just want to ask a couple questions.il just want to thank you for coming
out and sharing information; I think it's very important for our communityto understand what's going on. I
think a couple questions I have, is, actually back to, you show a different route so what happens if all four
routes are not acceptable? Meaning that the community doesn't want ifnwhat wouldyou do?
Valerie Martinez — we'll have to find another route or we eliminate the section going
San Diego.
to
Council Member Low— okay, and also you mentioned about the scoping meeting last year. At that time
were you able to get the sense of what the community really doesn't want the aerial or the type of design.
Was that information collected back then?
Valerie Martinez — again it was very conceptual "it s�
level, this is what high speed rail is, these are the, the
similar map to what you just saw was presented and C
don't know what all the impacts are, we don't know wl
positive thing is that we're out here early and this is e)
about the project. The downside to that is that I don't
very frustrating for you as you can imagine it is for me
now, I just don;thave those answers.
Rvery'conceptual just in terms of, you know, higher
ential looking at taking. Basically a
ri let's be ery, very clear that at one percent we
:o mitigate a`t this point. So the good thing, the
rely early talking to Councils and to the community
(�a;lot of answers to questions, which I'm sure it is
:because you then think I'm hiding things; I'm really
Council'Member Low— r just:want to say that I totally understand your position. I just appreciate you for
coming and talk to us I think- heard very clear that definitely, I just want to echo some of the
comments that were said on the - Council here, is definitely any impact on residents' property is not tolerable
for this Counci and will do anything to come out and fight that. There's no eminent domain, we don't want
any property being taken. In ter ms�of aerial versus you know on grade, I think it is very important for us to
understand the impact. I'think right now I'm kind of looking at well if you tell me that there are other sections
that's possibly are going t ither underground or on grade I can say well why not us, Rosemead city
should also have that opportunity, right. I think it is also important for us to voice that, that would be
preferable to our community so I think that is very important.
Valerie Martinez — well and as we move forward, you know again side by side with the city. Sometimes,
sometimes folks say well here's what we want but as you study it further more you realize unintended impacts
and then you say wait a minute that's not what we want, we want something different, I don't know, so that's
why again, we really want to work side by side with the city to as we design this to, if in fact we chose, the I-
10 corridor, if, again there's a big possibility we may not. If we do then in fact we are able to do... build, design
a system that is completely appropriate to the communities that we are going through.
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Council Member Low— and I think that statement is very important to us and very important to our
community that we the city is able to work with you to come up with the design that is the least impact to our
residents. I think that is very important.
Council MemberArmenta — Mr. Mayor if I may.
Mayor Taylor— yes Ms. Armenta.
Council MemberArmenta — I think the frustration that many of us have here on -the Council is the fact that, I
received this from or I actually took this down from the website, it was my .... ol.ldoking or taking for granted
that it was not the 2010 but it actually does say no comments no later than vember 20, 2009. 1 took it for
ranted that it was for 2009; 1 am appalled and I'm going to say that ve clear a
9 PP ' 9 � 9 Y ,�Yj appalled at the fact that
Rosemead was not notified that we had these scoping meetings and'I'm going to quote you what the website
said, 'the Authority is issuing the NOP, which is the Notice of Preparatio'n,to solicit public and agency', City of
Rosemead, 'agency input into the development of the scope of the IRR, I'm sorry EIR�EIS,and to advice the
public that outreach activities will be conducted by the Authority and it's representatives in;prepa ation of the
joint EIR, EIS.' Where is the, you want to work with us we want to work with you but when you are not being
transparent, you know, that kind of brings a lot of issues on hand because again, I'm very appalled of the fact
that we were never notified. Los Angeles County, Wednesday, October the 21st
Valerie Martinez — are you sure you weren't riot a city?
Council MemberArmenta — we were not notified.
Valerie Martinez — are you
Council MemberArmenta{z we're we
Jeff Allred — it was almost a
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— Mr. Mayor, I do 't'remember Monterey Park or El Monte but I do remember receiving a
postcard about West Covina during that•pe time but not Monterey Park or the other ones.
Council MemberArmenta — I don't remember receiving anything.
Valerie Martinez — the good part about this process, if I can actually go through the Environmental process is
that there are many, many, many opportunities to comment. Scoping is so preliminary, it's important but it is
extremely preliminary. What we've done again, with both the NEPA and CEQA; NEPA being the Federal
environmental process and CEQA being the California State environmental process; we've actually blown it
up. CEQA and NEPA call for scoping and then a draft EIR and then a final EIR; typically with both NEPA and
CEQA the first time you're seeing a map at all is here at the draft EIR. What we've done is we've blown it up
and we've developed these alternatives analysis process. Okay so here is scoping, which requires, you
know, agency and community outreach, draft EIR, public and agency outreach, final EIR, public and agency
outreach but we've also inserted all these alternatives analysis process. Okay, with an 800 mile system we
have to go the extra mile, shall we say, okay so we've actually inserted these other three components in here
where we can have the concept alternatives, which is what, again, you're looking at. The concept
alternatives, then the preliminary alternatives analysis that's the first time we're going to go to the board
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where I said we are going to have that first official map. And then the supplemental because when we have
the concept and we do the public and agency outreach, we refine it to get the preliminary again we do more
public input and agency outreach so that we get the supplemental. Okay at the supplemental again we do
more public and agency outreach until we get to the draft EIR. All of that outreach is design as I've said to
work side by side with the communities so that as we're designing by the time we get to the draft EIR this
project should be ... the system should be refined so that what you are seeing in the draft EIR specifically
reflects the comments from the city; you should see your fingerprints all over it. Where, you know, in another
five years you can look back and say, 'gosh, remember when that woman came to us and she had no
answers and we thought we were going to lose two to three hundred homes in Rosemead', and in another
five years you'll be able to look at it and say, 'you know what, the system is working, we like the way this
process is working, we like the fact that this design ... we like this design'. That's my hope, that's the goal.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— Mr. Mayor
Council Member Low— Mr. Mayor
Mayor Taylor— let's take up a couple more minutes because we've expressed an awful lot of here and we
imp
have a lot of speakers that... that's what we want to hear from•some information too....
Council Member Clark — why don't you let her finish?
Mayor Taylor— yes, go ahead. Mr. Ly and Mrs. Low had comments...
Valeria Martinez — I'll run through; I swear I will .... just to put this in perspective if in fact we have money for
this section, that's if, we don t ev&n have money for all the other sections that are part of phase one. Okay, if
we build phase one and get
as phase two; we by 2013, maybe 2014, probably 2014, might have an
Environmental document, o a so again, this is the timeline we're looking at. I can almost guarantee you,
almost that this thing is going to even t farther, okay because again, it's based on funding for this section
so in addition to the fact that you stllhave many,.m any : more steps. We still have to gather the funding and
move it forward so we are many, ny, y ear s out;_Agan just putting that current emphasis on public
education and also getting informatia from the communities and from the agencies in order to form the
design. This is the information for the public�meeting we're planning for on October 6t^ in El Monte, again and
you are right it will be as you referred to astacaarousel meeting; where in fact you can go and have one on
one conversations with our engineers to ask very specific questions, ask pointed questions, all the questions
that you want, our goal there is literally one by one to have folks understand exactly what this process is and
what we are doing but in addition to this we're also definitely going to be having other meetings within the
community, including hopefully Rosemead. That is something that I am definitely interested in and I know that
your City Manager Mr. Allred has been very, very clear with us that that's an expectation that he has. And if
you want to get in touch with us feel free to call us, my name is Valerie Martinez and you are always
welcomed to call me.
Mayor Taylor- alright, thank you. Mrs. Low you had a comment.
Council Member Low— yes, my comment is, I understand...I think it's great that you're going to have
multiple outreaches to the community; I think it would be useful if you had a little bit more information, such
as, maybe as noise. That's one of the things that I think residents really care; if you're going to build this next
to my house well tell me how noisy this is going to be. I think that with that type of information it will help kind
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of shape what the community will accept and not accept. I think that without that information it is hard; all you
are going to get is, no I don't want this in my backyard.
Valerie Martinez — two quick comments; it's about that one about the noise. What I can tell you and I can try
and get some study numbers for you, it's actually much quieter than diesel so it's much quieter than Metro
Link, much quieter than Metro Link cause it's electrified. It's quieter than if in fact you live next to the freeway,
it's actually quieter than the freeway.
Council Member Low— one thing I noticed, because Rosemead would be close the El Monte Station, if
we are going to have one there, so I would be interested is, as it slows down and 'as it,picks up, is that more
noise..... K
Valerie Martinez — it's quieter
Council Member Low— or if it's more quieter; those are the things and information that would be useful for
all of us to know.
Valerie Martinez — the other element I just want to throughout there is, again, yesterday wemet with the San
Gabriel Valley COG representative Nick Conway. One of the most interesting things that he said, among the
many interesting things honestly he was a great man meeting, but one of the compelling things that he said is
that a lot of the cars on the freeway that are ... ltiat -make up the congestion on the 10 are people coming in
ti
from the east valley and from San Bernardino, f'rom�Ontariq, from Pomona in order to get to jobs in Downtown
L.A. or to get to jobs on the west side of the County; if n fact the-system does go along the 10 this is one of
the few areas where you actually definitely have some mitigationfor the - traffic and congestion along the 10.
Because if you are coming from the east side of whe ifbe San Bema'rdino County or the east side of L.A.
County; how easy would it be to jump on the train at Ontario Airport and swing in 20 minutes to Downtown
L.A. I grew up in the Valley; I grew up in the San GabrielQValley, I know how the congestion has changed.
Mayor Taylor— are you saying that's going to be cheaperthan taking the Metro Link that goes all the way
out there right,now
Valerie,Martinez the prices are still to be determined but there is an argument to be made for a pass print;
for instance`'for commuter, it's no�he system is not necessarily designed for that but given the structure for
this particular corridor it's definitely something that should be looked at and if I were Rosemead that might be
something that %you.might be pushing for, if in fact, the 1 -10 corridor is chosen. Because how much nicer
would it be to havetless freeway,traffc.
Mayor Taylor— you made a comment earlier about the stations there where they would be leaving 5 minutes
apart, in that video tape.v
Valerie Martinez — that's at a point where everything is completely built out. The beauty of the train system,
any train system, is that it is a very dynamic system. So you can have one train leaving, a small train leaving,
once an hour or you can have a train leaving with five cars every five minutes.
Mayor Taylor— that's what caught my ear. There are five minutes per train coming through; that's a lot of
engines and a lot of cars and its almost hard... even Metro Link doesn't run that schedule.
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Valerie Martinez — exactly and so in fact what they were talking about is what we have to built toward
because of course we don't want to build toward a system that can't be expanded, right? What you want to
built for is, you know, an optimal system that 50 years, 100 years down the road; we are actually
accommodating the population....
Mayor Taylor— there is something wrong with that quote; every five minutes a train will be moving out of the
station. Our buses don't run that fast; Metro Link doesn't run that fast.
Valerie Martinez — the system needs to have the capacity to operate at that level.
Mayor Taylor— I agree with you 100 percent 50 years down the road.
Council Member Clark— and I don't want to kill the messenger, I really appreciate you coming but I'm very
frustrated. The meetings that were last year were they carousel mee6n'gs?
Valeria Martinez — yes.
Council Member Clark— that is just .... I'm sorry it is outrageous because a carousel meeting, you go and
meet with a staff person and you ask them a question; well you've admitted yourself, and nooffense, that this
is all conceptual so far, that you don't know the answers. So how is anybody that is concerned about losing
their home going to be able to go up to somebody and say... and ask a meaningful question and get a
meaningful answer? I mean, what we did during the Wal -Mart fight, and I mean it was hard, I got that scar ok,
we had packed auditoriums, we had to go to the Rosemead High School because so many people were
concerned and we didn't sneak out with a carousel meeting. We had people getting up there and telling us
that we were sold out to the devil if we approved Wal -Mart, ok. So those are just copouts, I'm sorry, you're not
getting the input from the people:that,are scared to death that their property values are going down, that
they're going to lose their homes; they'don't know what the future is. So if you want to have a meaningful
public meeting, you need to hive one where people give their input. This happened just last week with the
SR60, they had carousel, j because I wanted to hear what the people were going say; they did let a few
people speak but it was not agendize&jt was just because the Mayor of Montebello made a (inaudible). But
I mean, in other words, you needttohear wwhat th'e_people have to say; they need to be able to hear what
other people say so that they unde stand,what the project might be and so that the Board gets the message.
You've gotten the message, I can tell but how do we know that all those comments at every carousel pocket
is going to get back to that Board. And some.df the other things, if I may, I just have to say this; the
issue .... the thing ... a lot of this is backward's,, in other words the voters were given this thing, oh let's do a high
speed rail, and they voted... they said well it's not coming out of my pocket so I'll just go for it; okay, they
didn't realize it's coming out of their grandchildren's pocket but they didn't have, where it was going and what
was going to happen with some of the impacts. So, and I can tell from the clip that you played, and again it is
not you, but it said, 'it's faster and cheaper than air travel', I just booked a flight to Sacramento, next month,
for $56 and ... now there is no way it's going to cost $56 without huge public subsidies, so it's not going to be
cheaper. Okay secondly, I am really, really concerned about the public /private partnership aspect and the fact
that our governor is over getting money from China and, and the Mayor of Anaheim is there also. Because I
am not going to sit by and let my residents lose their homes so that people can get faster from the Bay area
to Disneyland. And what really bothers me about last year is, we had no idea that there might even be a
chance of homes coming through Rosemead being taken so when they say this all... this scopings were done
last year, I'm sorry that was disingenuous. What bothers me also about the mitigating in the EIR, it's been
said that we'll just mitigate (inaudible) even the COG letter I have a little bit of concern for because it says, 'it
adopted a position to oppose any alignment of the high speed rail project that does not minimize what is the
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impact on properties in the San Gabriel Valley', okay now, minimize the impact, what does that mean? Does
that mean homes not taken or does that mean noise levels, as Councilman Low mentioned. You know we
have all done projects, I have been on this Council for almost 20 years, ok, we have done projects where you
do the environmental impact report and when you cannot mitigate that problem you make a statement of
overriding considerations. Which basically says, we looked at it, we tried, I'm sorry but we're going to have to
do it anyway because we believe in the project. So if this is what's going to happen to ... in this kind of thing,
'oh we tried but I'm sorry you're out of here', this is not acceptable... and I think that is all I had there.
Mayor Taylor— I'd like to make a comment on what you said Mrs. Clark about I don't think the people are
really aware of it but China has about a trillion dollars extra. It's almost a trillion dollars that they got money to
come over and invested in American product, in American companies and I can only say their entitled to
invest their money .... we buy so much merchandise from China that's where we are way out of whack right
now. Our imports and exports but the fact is that they have the money, they are entitled to spend it an our
governor and the chairman of this board is over there trying to get finance for that from .... they are the
second richest country in the world is what it looks like it's coming o be. So keep in mind where this money
is going to come from and they'll be more than happy to invested here; they're already doing it in different
projects so we have to be very careful when you say you don't °have the money, when the money gets here
it's going to be a snowball. It's just going to roll down the hill�any�,otherr comments.
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Taylor — Mr. Ly.
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— thank you, I had a couple questions; first is, you .... we didn't really get to it in our
presentation but there are 1, Zr3 - 4; 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 potential stops you're looking at in the San Gabriel Valley, if
its along the 10 corridor in,the stSanN.Gabriel Valley, you're looking at the El Monte Transit Center, the El
Monte Village you are talking about. thatt:s the only station I can see that can provide any tangible benefits
from high speed rail.. � X \_ ) 1
Mayor Taylor— where's that Mr. Ly?
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— the Transit Vill \right off (inaudible)...
Mayor Taylor— my understanding is you have to be at least 12 miles apart
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— and that's what I'm trying to get at right now... how is the Authority.... is there a standard
the Authority has made to determine where the stops are going to be at. Does it have to be 12 miles apart, is
it shorter than that, is it longer than that, how are you guys determining that because for our residents.... my
concern is this if it goes along the 10 freeway Rosemead has the .... we have the concern both in our south
and north end, it affects us because the freeway is both in those areas. So if it goes through this area, you
know, I'm trying to look at ways that, you know, where would this line be of any benefit to this community and
the only way I can see it is at the Transit Village stop because that puts us within a mile and a half. What's
likely to be going there or what's likely to be going into West Covina, Pomona, or Cal Poly Pomona instead.
Valerie Martinez — well those are the options ... just for the entire San Gabriel Valley it effectively would be
either El Monte or West Covina or Cal Poly Pomona or Pomona. It's going to .... a variety of factors are going
to be the determining factors. Ridership, okay what's the ridership going to look like, what's the connectivity,
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what are the transit oriented development opportunities that are being provided for the city. There are a lot of
components, how does it affect the entire region that's why all of those options are still on the table. Now
from the stand point of how close do they need to be we are .... based on Prop 1A we are mandated to only
have eight stations in this entire alignment from L.A. to San Diego, okay that means that obviously that we
have to be very judicious and obviously all these cities are kind of fighting for these stations. If in fact for
instance the El Monte is chosen there would be a couple different operational models that I can envision;
okay one would be that trains stop of course in El Monte and they continue along to Ontario; Ontario is one of
those stops that is clearly going to happen...
Mayor Taylor— and that's 40 miles from L.A.; it sounds reasonable.
Valerie Martinez — right, right, cause otherwise you don't have a
Mayor Taylor— El Monte is the hub of the spoke of the wheel... spokes`all come out -of EI Monte bus terminal
and they can go anywhere in the San Gabriel Valley so it's logical what they are doing:"\
Valerie Martinez — another model would also have a skip stop situation if it were in El Monte'sothat there
would be some trains that would skip El Monte and go directly to Ontario. Some would have trains so
that it would skip all of the other stations in between L.A. and San Diego so that you can ... cause we are also
mandated to get between L.A. and San Diego an hour — twenty.
Mayor Taylor— you mentioned two things there .. id,it would be the ... let's say the regular high speed
and then the express train would stop in .... so there,are two;different systems running?
Valerie Martinez — no, no, no; the express train
other stops.
same system it would just not stop at of the
Mayor Taylor— okay but that's two different trains; if it's
then the express would stop in El Monte.
distance it's going to go through EI.Monte and
is as if you were taking United say to D.C.; you can get that one way flight that,
that....
— yes.
Valerie Martinez —,.... will get you ;there with no stops or you can get the flight that will stop you in Chicago,
right, because maybe you need to stop in Chicago or maybe it's cheaper to stop in Chicago or maybe that's
the one that gets you4rom the timing perspective. Same type of airplane, same type of operation it's just that
this model or that particular, model for that particular flight you have to stop in Chicago.
Mayor Taylor— you are using two different models. That model plane will stop over in .... short stop and you
have the long flight that continues on through.
Valerie Martinez — but it's the same plane.
Mayor Taylor— okay well....
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— Mr. Mayor....
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Mayor Taylor —go ahead Mr. Ly.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly — the way I'm looking at El Monte Transit Village .... in fact, yesterday I was at my San
Gabriel Valley Metro service meeting and the big discussion was the fact that the Silver Line, which is the
Metro Line, bus way line, that connects you from El Monte to Downtown L.A. basically has 5000 riders a day
on that line and so... I'm looking at if it goes anywhere that the El Monte Transit Village is the only one that
would really benefit near the San Gabriel Valley, anywhere else I just don't see that benefit.
Valerie Martinez — that may be one of those things if you feel strongly about,it`thatyou want to weigh in on
as a city. That in fact... and frankly from an economic development stand po' f you can weigh that out that
maybe one of those things that in addition to the fact that you think the system should be within the median
and should be developed in such a way that we, you know, we don't take houses... there should also be a
component if in fact you are interested you could also say, not should be . but you u could also include a
component that says, we believe that El Monte would be ourrthe great preference for station.
Council MemberArmenta — Mr. Mayor if I may.
Mayor Taylor— yes Ms. Armenta,
Council MemberArmenta — I know earlier you made a comment saying tha`this is a very safe form of
transportation. What data do you have since it's going to be faster than the.high-speed rails that are going
through Asia and Europe? Do you have any data because if this is going to ;be a faster...
Valerie Martinez — there have,b"e deaths on a high speed rail as a result of a derailment or any form of
system breaking down.
Council MemberArrhenti but this is going to be faster than those so what data do you have because...
Valerie Martinez — not through thi
Council MemberArmenta — not through the San Gabriel Valley?
Valerie Martinez — it will be operating at about; somewhere between 110, 125 through this area.....
Council MemberArmenta — actually no because when you go through the (inaudible) in Alhambra it has to
be 50 miles per hour.
Valerie Martinez — you're right, it has to be .... well but it also has to be slower if it in fact we're, you know in
fact we go into a station in El Monte it will actually have to be slower because it has to stop in El Monte and
we need about, between one or two miles in order to stop the system.
Council MemberArmenta — also going back to the public scoping meetings that took place last year, I know
that in August no mentioned of the 1 -10 was on your website but it's surprising that even though no mentioned
of the 1 -10 was on the website you had all these scoping meetings in the San Gabriel Valley among the 1 -10.
So where is the transparency there?
Valerie Martinez — we're at one percent engineering....
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Council Member Armenta — I understand the percentage but.....
Valerie Martinez - ...and we've developed this whole alternatives analysis process in order to be transparent
the problem is that because we are being so transparent I don't have all the answers for you.
Council MemberArmenta — oh very transparent, if I may Mr. Mayor, if ... you're not even advertising or even
allowing people to know that it's going .... the possibility of it going down the 1 -10 and you make scoping
meetings along the 1 -10. 1 think the Authority knew that, that was a big potential but you just not want to let
the residents know.
Valerie Martinez — why would we do that?
Council Member Armenta — I don't know .... that's the question
you're not..... /,
Valerie Martinez the entire culture of this system
communities. That has been the consistent culture,
Council Member Armenta — consistent... so then you have...
a very good question because when
side by side with the
Valerie Martinez — when it comes to engineering, when it comes to developing when it comes to
moving the entire project forward we've scheduled where ever possible in orde to accommodate community
meetings and community schedules. So believe when I tell you there's no, there's no hidden agenda; it is an
iterative process, where the system- is,being designed along... in a very public way alongside the community
and yes things are going to ch g ,youkknow, in six months from where they are now that doesn't mean that
I was lying today. That means that as a result of community input we've changed it and I would think that that
would be a good thing.
Council Member Armenta welhho its ery`goodbut that fact that if it wasn't for Alhambra letting us know
what was going, on we would never have this.
Mayor Taylor— alright at this point I woula ally like to ... we can still ask our questions after the public gets
to put their input to it. We've been going for an hour and a half on this and I don't mean to cut it off but we will
be coming back after the public speaks we can still do it but they've been patient, there sitting for an hour and
a half so I would like to give them an opportunity to speak. Alright.... at this time we have probably 10 to 12
speakers... trying to think of ... well anyway I have them in the best order than I can as far as who gave them in
but.... Marion Fairbanks and representing Christel Fairbanks. Could you give your name and address please.
Marion Fairbanks — good evening, Marion Fairbanks, Mayorship, distinguish City Council Members, Madam
City Attorney, and Mr. City Manager. My name is Marion Fairbanks, my mother Christel Fairbanks.
Christel Fairbanks — my name is Christel Fairbanks and I live on 9555 Olney Street in Rosemead, corner of
Ellis Lane and Olney Street. I have lived here 43 years at this address, I have worked here as a realtor for 38
years, I have many of my clients, neighbors, and friends here.....(inaudible) some of them had to leave. We
love Rosemead, we love our homes, they're our houses. We put our hard effort, our hard love into our
homes, we get along fine, why destroy us, why built? I'm for progress, why have progress to take an innocent
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person's livelihood, everything they have worked for and they have loved. And I oppose the rail if it would
consider to be eminent domain, thank you.
Marion Fairbanks — Valerie Martinez wants your approval, she wants your approval with lots of'ifs" and
"maybes" and "possiblys" and "transparencies" the tricks about it is I guess the property, her property is not
being impacted. This beautiful (inaudible) video that was shown with the rail in Europe, in Europe just recently
in Germany a rail was put in, it went thru Nuremberg, thru Leipzig, they went out of their way to not impact the
homes and so ..... I brought this up last week and I'm going to say it one more time because there's lots of
people in here, the situation is I am also a realtor and the real estate is already been impacted. Respectively
Mr. Mayor the properties are not worth $320 thousand they are worth a lot more at $320 thousand
that would be a bargain and they would love doing that. The houses are w,oftth�a lot more money that people
are deserving of more money but the reality is your home and all of the north of Olney Street are
going to be impacted. Because Marshall is going to be impacted as well, who wants to have a rail that is
going back and forth, now every five minutes, well you just might as well,live in frontof a transition station in
the middle of New York. I mean this is just horrible; I just have to tell you and .... that there people on my
mom's street and neighbors that have come over to her and had said should we stop ourr model, what
should we do? Do I replace my front door? I mean people are so worried that they are not even having lives
anymore. When you look at these rails, and I have looked at a lot of this, and of course I'm ar(inaudible)
person when it comes to this situation but the truth be told, why doesn't everyone just stick together and go
after and have the UP get force to it. Why, because they have billions of dollars, why cannot all the cities just
push and say Mr. Governor Swarchezeneggerand-Cringle and whoever you are and push it down that way.
Why do all these people have to be impacted so" 'I;just er spectfully ask you to please vote no; not vote no with
a possibility of an overhang or possibly under to nel. P h -it omewhere else, push it out of Rosemead and
push it down to another area that doesn't impact the�hom s'- -thank yo�
Mayor Gary Taylor— I made my comment about the 3 3 thousand only as an example....
Woman in the audience — sorry....
Mayor Gary Taylor— no, seriously I know it can be 4 to 5Shundred thousand dollars but for the example that I
was makingitsa:hundred million dollars at the low figure, take it up another $150 now it becomes 150 million
dollars that'sluust to buythe property. Okay, our next speaker is Julie Gentry.
Julie'Gentry — Julie Gentry, 8915 Nevada Avenue in Rosemead. This is November 2008, this measure was
X. on the ball`of (didn't vote yes, I never even thought about it again till now. Almost without exemption the
measures andFpropositions are purposely design to confuse us and you know don't know what you really
voted for until it's too late. The worst case scenario of this measure is that it puts homes along the right -of-
way in danger of ernine`nt domain�even now in the northern town of Atherton there's litigation going on
between Atherton and the.Higti Speed Rail Authority. You might ask why would I stand up here and fight
when it doesn't affect my�home and my property directly because in the summer of 2008, 2 years ago, my
property and the other houses to the west of me were in danger to be zone commercial. This makes a
person terribly nervous, like the other lady said; you know should I put a new door .... it messes up your whole
life, really. We fought against it and we were then zone low density residential and this is what motivates me
to speak up right here right now and for the record and ask the Council to recommend whatever it is that
would prevent this horrible thing... that's all I have to say but I wanted to get it into the record that there are
people who, you know what, they are going to fight; thank you.
Mayor Gary Taylor— thank you Mrs. Gentry. Our next speaker is Mira Wirsching
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Mira Wirschinq — hello, my name is Mira Wirsching and I have a property down the street 3629 Muscatel
Avenue and I think it's just around the curb, is that the Glendon Hotel or is it the Rosemead Inn or... it's very
confusing. It just seems like every time I pass by that hotel the color has changed or the name has changed
so you know... either I'm disoriented or I don't know what's going on.
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— you're not.
Mira Wirschinq — anyways, I'm just curious in this room how many of you take the train to work? One....
Council MemberArmenta — well cause you work for Metro.
Mira Wirschinq — one person... cause I do take the train to work and.... actually I take the gold line from
Sierra Madre Station and to be quite honest it is very tedious, it takes really long and it goes through
neighborhoods that...I would say this every single day, that 1 ho`p hat train would not go through my
neighborhood, to be quite honest. And I'm sure you've spoken a lot, I'm sorry, but I really think you need to
commute and take the train to really know the feeling how -it is that a tranagoes through a neighborhood
because honestly I'm really, really annoyed at all the misinformation orrno•i'nformation that the community ha:
gotten. And I did vote for Arnold Swarchezene er and I'm sorsa` but an wa s m question is,
9 99 ry' � Y Y Y you know
q Y
the other thing also, is with the economy and the homes crashing and there's a lot of disclosures so .... I'm
sure that anytime you go through a re -fi or sales; there would have to be a disclosure on that, I'm talking
presently, and so in the future if you are planning on selling the property otwhatever I'm going to need that.
And that's really going to impact my possibilities of the house being appraise 'for a lot more than what it's
worth so .... that's my huge concern also. So...I mean I recently went to New York actually in July and the
subways are really excellent, I are looking in terms of being underground but when I heard about
the huge beams and this and oh no, this cannot be happening so I'm definitely going to fight
and make sure that, you`know, any possibilities is just going to be a no. Okay, thank you.
Mayor Gary Taylor— thank You; 'Ms.,Fairb`anks -you both had a request in so you okay on that?
Audience — (inaudible)
Mayor Gary Taylor— all right next one is �J� •Parinayakosol... it's P.A.R.I.N.A.Y.A.K.O.S.O.L .
Audience — they had to leave but they were opposed.
Mayor Gary Taylor— all right, next is Jon and Irene Pinedo.
Audience — they had to leave too; they were opposed too. Everyone is opposed.
Mayor Gary Taylor— opposed to high speed rail....
Audience — (inaudible)
Mayor Gary Taylor— okay our next is Leticia and Kimberly Sanchez.
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Leticia Sanchez — Hi everybody. We live in 9560 just behind the freeway and this is my daughter and we
didn't know. We didn't know what was going on and I told my husband and he said this is not happening; this
is not happening because we were living here almost 18 years. We came from another place that was
supposed to be a better place to come here and now .... this is terrible, this is terrible for us because we want
a house. We don't want no one to get there business... they make money from our... I'm so upset I'm sorry.
We're opposed.
Mayor Gary Taylor— okay.
Leticia Sanchez — we're opposed and that's what we want....
Mayor Gary Taylor— okay, and we understand just go ahead and speak.
Leticia Sanchez — we don't want our house to be torn off; we warit'our house, we want to live here in
Rosemead. Z
Mayor Gary Taylor —okay, thank you. 1�
Leticia Sanchez — thank you that is all.
Kimberly Sanchez — HI my name is Kimberly Sanchez and me and n y;m came here... we wanted ... we
had a lot of questions and I don't think with this presentation any of our questionewe had were answered, if
anything we're more baffled.
Mayor Gary Taylor— well we'd to go ahead and ask the questions so....
Kimberly Sanchez — well'I`mean the`same questions you guys had
Mayor Gary Taylor— okay, well Cmean;it is`important that you do express....
Kimberly Sanchez — what's going to,happen to our house and it's just like; it's so much at stake, you know,
like my mom had said we put so much tine-house. My parents working two jobs for it and to have, you
know, somebody come in and be so casuatabout it, it's just ... it's nerve wracking you know. It bothers us a
lot and that is why we are very much opposed to it.
Mayor Gary Taylor— all right, I appreciate that, thank you. Okay we have Jose Cruz Diaz.
Audience — they had to leave too
Mayor Gary Taylor— alright, Daniel Garcia... he was here earlier I guess he left also; all right Angel.
Art Angel — Mr. Mayor and Council Members good evening. I hear how this presentation; I was at the
Alhambra also and I see a lot of discrepancies on this project. It upsets me because they are playing with
people's feelings and they are not presenting something that is professional. There's a lot of missing
information and it's like a waste of time for me and the Council Members I believe. They have no facts, no
studies, no socio- economic impacts, no environmental impacts, no definite plans as to where there firm
routes are going to be. To me it is a total waste of time because there is no facts, nothing concrete. No
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studies, not even a budget for it. I don't oppose progress but there's a lot of issues here and liabilities like the
real estate... they presented. There's a lot of disclosures that have to be exposed and they don't even know;
people don't even know if this is official or hot; if the disclosure has to be from now, is it official, we don't
know, we don't hear from the City that... those issues. And my position on this is just to be plain to them and
say we want the less impact if it's going to be built. If they ever get any budget for it but the main thing is to
get some facts, you know, present it to the city. So that you can vote on something that is firm not
some... something that seems to me that's like science fiction; it's only a wish list for them they don't have
anything that is concrete. So that is just my position.
Mayor Gary Taylor— all right, thank you Mr. Angel.
Art Angel — thanks.
Mayor Gary Taylor— I saw .... did anyone else wish to speak on this'
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— Victor....
Mayor Gary Taylor— yes, I know Victor came up and handed a pap
ahead Mr. Ruiz, I don't have...
? Now go
Victor Ruiz — thank you Mr. Mayor... Council Members I urge you tonight to vote on what Sandra Armenta
proposed at the last meeting. It is important that unifies because as you have heard of the
comments of the residents that are going to be impacted very strong. I myself will be one of the first ones to
go as you know I'm right off Temple City Boulevard `and Olney I m 90 the Caltrans boundaries there
and you know I've lived here 32 years and I have really enjoyed living here. I raised my kids here, they all
went to Savannah, they all went to Muscatel and Rosemead High and they are great kids and they love it.
Now I'm raising my granddaughter, together with my daughter and my son -in -law, in that same home cause I
built on this home. I have a big home, something that I couldn't build anywhere else or couldn't afford to move
to Arcadia or Temple City, you know, but when I came to this City I liked it because it was small; it was really
neat, 57,000 people that�s all we have. We're still small but we are a community; a community of people that
are really „really united•and =tonight you have seen that. Now what I dislike about the presentation tonight,
just like -the gentleman sa fearlier, there is nothing no information. It was (inaudible), you know something
that they pretty pictu §§ graphics, I know that because I do that, okay, I mean that was my job
for the County to be able to do all these things: Not only that, the conceptual, everything is conceptual and
we're at 1% so let's read between the lines; are they telling us the truth? Okay, that's the question,
are they really telling, us the truth! I,don't think so, I think that they have something up their sleeve because if
you ... I studied the map on the Pacific, that Union Pacific map rail, down the south why don't they push for
that. I mean I went over•it l G ogle it and I went over it very clearly at 150 feet, I think is what the satellite
image gives you, everything is industrial. Why don't they use that, why don't they push for that? That's logical;
if you're going to do 125 miles an hour you can do that at a straight shot. Come on let's be realistic, you want
a speed rail put it where there's no people or it's all industrial. That's what I would do but something, they are
not telling us something. Okay, the people that sit on that board upstairs are hiding something. So I think that
this City Council needs to vote on Sandra Armenta's proposal and we need to stick together with Alhambra;
we need to stick together with San Gabriel because there are many homes that are going to be impacted,
many. Right now my house is probably worth, I would say, $550 thousand and I won't let it go for not less
than that. And if they want to come in and take eminent domain I'm going to sit on it and I'm going to get
more and they are going to have to move me out. Okay, they are going to have to pay 10% on top of that
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because I know they can do it but I'm not going to, I don't want that, I love Rosemead. I love it, I'm going to
raise my grandkids here and I am going to die in that home. Okay, that's all I have to say.
Mayor Gary Taylor— alright, thank you Mr. Ruiz. That's all the speaker requests that I have at this time so I
will go back to the Council unless there is anyone else that I may have missed. All right, well go back to the
Council discussion.
Council Member Low— Mr. Mayor...
Mayor Gary Taylor — yes Mrs. Low.
Council Member Low— I have a question for Ms. Valerie; so I think we have heard from the community
tonight there's a great concern about their homes being taken. That is a major, major concern not just the
community but also the Council; is there any way that we can geti'letter, get some assurance from the board
saying if, and even if, if they chose the 1 -10 route that there be no h mes taken away. Is there any way that
we can have that in writing to give our residents some comfort? w
Valerie Martinez —I can't do that tonight but it's part of the process and' what_ .... I will .... what we'll do is .... let
me see what I can do for you.
Council Member Polly Low— I think tonight I'm not asking for an answer`I,think that's a little unfair. Can you
bring that back, I think that would give our residents a big comfort and alsod want to (inaudible) to what Mr.
Ruiz said that there are four routes; what is the chance of taken the UP roukA I think to be fair I'd like to
understand why we couldn't.
Valerie Martinez — it's a combination`
same way that Metro along the 10 is I t
of the right -of -way along the 60- UP is
they have .... back when they created
power and it's beyond .... the power -th<
with specific railroads in particular thal
creates a problem for us where we ca
sues. The overwhelming issue being the use of right -of -way in the
wner of the right -of -way, in the same way that Caltrans is the owner
owner of the right -of -way along their UP alignment and as railroad
- a`nscontinental.railroad, railroads were given enormous amount of
eds•just about any other entity. And so that creates a situation
fact they say that you cannot use our railroad rail right -of -way it
impose ourselves upon that right -of -way.
Council Member Low— I understand, I think what we're trying to do is do the right thing ... I think I do support
the high speed rail but I think it is very important in terms of transportation but the more I think about it,
especially tonight looking at the project, it goes so fast past the City that I question how much the City
benefits other than if the stop is going to be over at El Monte. So part of me is saying well if the City doesn't
benefit that much then in a way we should look into other routes, such as the UP route, I understand they
have a lot of power but I think someone needs to work with them to look at what makes sense for the
community for the State. I think there might have to be more dialogue so we can see and work something
out. I understand we are putting you in a very tough position but that is the information that I am hearing and
as a Council I would like to ask for your help.
Valerie Martinez — absolutely and I will definitely have discussion with the administration of the High Speed
Rail Authority, as well as, the Authority Board Members about that. I know other cities have brought that up;
now I want to also note that the perception is that it is all either industrial or you know, it's not built out in that
area, actually there are a number of cities in that community along that alignment. So all that .... the only
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reason I say that is that you know in the same way.you know folks along the 60 might say well we don't want
it here move it to the 10, you know, folks along the 10 might say we don't want it here move it to the 60 or the
UP alignment.
Mayor Gary Taylor— in the discussions that you've had, what about the Pomona freeway, what's the hang -
up with Golden Line, is it? The Gold Line...
Valerie Martinez — the Gold Line... I'm going to invite Alex Clifford, who's with Metro to come up and actually
address the Gold Line element because that's a separate system.
Mayor Gary Taylor— okay but who owns that right -of -way down there? I understand there's more property
available down there than there is on the 1 -10.
Alex Clifford — that I don't know, I'm not in that project myself personal)
the 60 are that it's one of the alternatives and the Gold Line extens o �i
two alternatives still being studied, Washington is also being %studied so
the 60. There's also Superfund site on the 60 that creates'-some co it
but I think most important to point out is that we are at this extremely ea
process, it's the early stage, it's the stage where you don't really In eta
to start deleting alternatives and so the 60 still has the same statur Mgt
Now there is no favoritism to the 10 versus the 60; the UP and the UP a
although they look like they may have to be eliminated down the road bi
and because of the UP saying go away we're not letting you in our right
problematic because looking at taking that entire squat of railroad, what
I will tell you that the issues with
not the locally preferred it's one of
light rail hasn't been chosen yet for
ions to move the system through
stage in the entire environmental
answers at all. And it's premature
iow in this process as the 10 does.
icent are still in their process today
3us'e of'the things that Valerie said
- way. UP adjacent is potentially
know is the Riverside Line that
Metro Line operates on, and taking °another 50 foot adjacent to that all the way down that corridor that's huge
impact to residential properties and-industrial properties; it has a lot of challenges. But as of today where we
stand right here today in`f_r"ont of you all of those corridors are still in their process and of equal stature right
now.
Mayor Pro
Clark -
a question?
Mayor Taylor yes, go ahead
Council MemberC rk— on the Superfund site... where is that? 1 mean I know where it is but is it both sides
of the freeway or is iHhe�soo th?
Alex Clifford — I don't want to speak out of turn I can only tell you I believe it is on both sides but mostly on
one side of the.....
Council Member Clark— so the freeway bisected the landfill there?
Alex Clifford — it'll be better for us to check that out first and get the right answer to that.
Council Member Clark— I'd like to know that.
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Alex Clifford — sure.
Council Member Clark— cause I'd like to know how the freeway through.....
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— Mr. Mayor another concern with the 60 is that on the north end of the 60, like what you
have on the 10 freeway 200 homes that would have to be eminent domain in order for it to be built and it's on
the north end, I believe that might affect the Don Bosco area in our City so that would be an impact to our
community as well.
Alex Clifford — if I can just add one other thing; these corridors it doesn't matterwhere you put these things
in railroad right -of -ways or freeways, these are all very complicated corridors sThey are all different, they all
have a different set of dynamics I mean you look at the 10, the 10 is not a'straigght freeway by any measure.
It curves and so the curvy it is the more tendencies of engineers at a°ve`ry earl`y'stage like this is for them to
try and draw the straightest line; they want to get from point A to point B , as fast as they,can. But as Valerie
has mentioned several times tonight what they initially draw on a map to try to get from;poirt A to point B as
fast as they can does not end up being the prevailing thought; there's a lot of work that Ras tb,be done and
through the effort with the COG, through these meetings with your cities it is our hope at this ery eearly stage
in this process that you'll assign technical folks to help us to help me as sort of your ombudsman working with
the Authority to resolve these issues to try to see how we can make this thing fit and what we have to do both
on the horizontal alignment and on the vertical: You're right we shouldn't be saying in anything that is
presented right now that it'll be in an aerial structure the freeway corridors; we should not be saying
that. There is a tendency for engineers to say thafbecause.that's the quickest way to get from point A to point
B and when you are in a freeway corridor you have,some•compllcations trying to be at grade but there are
some at grade opportunities, there's some elevated opportunitieslh and there maybe some trench
and some underground opportunities that work. All I can tell you aY this•point sort of trying to help you
through this process is from a Metro perspective that we,want everything to be on the table at this early
stage. And that's the point we'll keep reinforcing as you are doing here tonight that's important to document
that the 10, just closing, that the 10 has additional complications not only do you have the Metro Link in the
center medium but you have the bus way through to El Monte, which is an important, you know for Metro a
transit transportation perspective, we're going to be very protective of the Metro Link in the right -of -way, we're
going to bevery tective Mhe bus lane and as you well know we have the hot lanes is under construction
right now too. So how do you do all of that within this right -of -way and say these outer limits of what Caltrans
owns'today are the outer limits of this project; how do you do all of that and put these columns down if it's
aerial, if you,go`u`derground or you trench; how do you do all of that, we don't know. But those are the kind
of questions yN're and we' e asking and they are part of this process going forward. Valerie doesn't
have those answers because it'sijust way too early; this is what we have to hear from you is that you want
these things studied'thatyou're•not here tonight to say we will take an aerial structure cause you're not going
to say that and we've t eard'that load and clear. And we're going to go back and we're going to keep
asserting with their engineers that they have to keep thinking outside the box and looking at different ways to
approach this through your cities.
Mayor Taylor— may I have your name again sir?
Alex Clifford — I'm Alex Clifford, I'm the Executive Officer of High Speed Rail.
Mayor Taylor— Alex Clifford?
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Alex Clifford — Clifford, C.L.I.F.F.O.R.D, just like the big red dog.
Mayor Taylor— all right, big red, thank you.
Alex Clifford — so Executive Officer of High Speed Rail, I work for Metro not for the High Speed Rail
Authority; they don't pay my check. My assignment under (inaudible) is to try and assist all of the cities from
L.A. to Anaheim, L.A. to Palmdale, and L.A. to San Diego and resolving their issues, their community impacts
and to try and get a project that works for you and to the extent that we can mitigate.
Mayor Taylor— okay, thank you for your comments. Anything else from the Council? Do we have a motion
on this particular item.
Council Member Armenta— Mr. Mayor if I may.
Mayor Taylor— yes, go ahead.
Council Member Armenta— I motion that we oppose
directly or indirectly impede on the properties of Roser
side of the 1 -10.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly — Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Taylor— yes Mr. Ly.
along the 1 -10 Freeway that would
include, aerial, north side, south
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— I will second that if the Council Member will allow one"... hopefully will be a friendly
amendment, which is I know that-we-want a letter to go along with if we adopt the spirit... if we adopt a letter
in the spirit of the Alhambra Councilgl can second that motion.
Council Member Cla "rk— what-do you mean by spirit of?
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— well thi \tter...
Council Member Clark— I read it but what'do_vou mean?
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— if we adopt this letter'1 am very comfortable with what this letter says, I'll read the letter
out but before I do I just want to say that I'm very comfortable with this letter and how it talks about the
different issues that this Council has brought about so far.
Mayor Taylor— well that particular letter you are going to add Rosemead's conditions not duplicate that
letter.
Council Member Armenta — exactly and I want it to include aerial.
Mayor Taylor— otherwise it's just redundant but we have our own special concerns that need to be added to
that letter.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— well if I may... that's because in paragraph 3 of the Alhambra letter it mentions the
aerial and the concerns that go along with the aerial route but I mean... that's what I would like to see happen.
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Mayor Taylor— well what about our 300 homes that will be taken if it's on the north side.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— oh yeah I know that's part of the oppose any... that's why I'm seconding Council
Member Armenta's position on that the only amendment, it's not even an amendment, the only thing I would
add to that motion is since we are drafting a letter I like the letter to reflect what the Alhambra letter said. I'll
read what it says, 'they voted to oppose any rail alignment along the 10 freeway that would directly impact on
the properties of, in this case we would say Rosemead residents, and significantly affect the quality of life in
our community.
Mayor Taylor— and you are going to reaffirm that what could happen with Rosemead.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— if you want to add the lines of eminent domain, north, south, etcetera, etcetera
absolutely I am in agreement with that.
Mayor Taylor — well explain that .... it's 300 homes I
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— oh no, I know .... Mayor Taylor 1 want 6 point out—that—before this issue... when this issue
was first brought up I was the first one on this Council that mentiohedconcern. I was the first one to say wait
a minute before we jump the gun and make the motion and adopt what SR60 that north or south side it would
significantly affect our communities so I understand the concern and I`WiNtely understand that we need to
take a position strongly and let High Speed Rail Authority know that we wilknotallow any eminent domain of
our homes.
Mayor Taylor— and this letter should just go to Alhambra.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— no, no, no, absolutely this letter is going to the High Speed Authority; what I mean is to
adopt....
Mayor
so we clarify we're going to include that we oppose the north side, the
aerial.
Mayor Pro Tem L'y<, as long as'paragraph 3 of the Alhambra letter is in there, where it specifically discuss
what the concerns,are�about aerial
Council Member Armenta Gut I want the verbiage to say aerial opposed.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— that's fine as long as paragraph 3 is in there.
Mayor Taylor— yes City Attorney,
City Attorney Rachel Richman — would it be acceptable if we drafted a letter that we can bring back for your
review? Because we've gotten specifics, we've got this letter and then we can work on it and you guys can
see it.
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Mayor Taylor— I don't think they are going to do anything in the next two weeks.
Council Member Low — I think that's better.
Rachel Richman — in the next two weeks will that be okay.
Mayor Taylor— that's fine.
Jeff Allred — and in the letter it will also have the signature block of all the Council Members.
Rachel Richman — right.
Jeff Allred — much like the Alhambra letter.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— I would gladly sign a letter like that.
Mayor Taylor— alright, the letter will be....
Council Member Clark — so it's coming back to be approved again?
Rachel Richman — well only because it's the .... we can sit here and try and draft the letter but that would take
a long time and because there's some different comments from everyone I don't think it's useful for us to try
Council Member Armenta — okay well let's vote on my proposal. I'm proposing that we oppose it if we go
north side, south side, and aerial that's what my position is,00n" "the table -So we have to .... that's fine if you
want to do a subsequent motion but that's still on thNtable
Mayor Taylor— so you can also have with letter to follokto the board.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— my understanding is that what we ar'e'approving tonight when this was first brought up
we talked aboutsending-a letter there. That's the reason why, you know, if that's the case that's why I want to
talk about l elletter right now I thought that's what we were talking about.
Mayor Taylor— it would be more, appropriate to draft that letter and then discuss it; they're not going to do
anything in&o weeks Mr. Ly. 1 � A
Mayor Pro Tem
Mayor Taylor— we jusfwahtto incorporate so that there is a paper trail, we voted on it and we also have a
letter to support what wewere doing.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— I guess my concern is and I stressed this at the last Council meeting was
that.... definitely there're significantly concerns about aerial but until we see the EIR I don't know what those
issues would be. However, in paragraph 3 it mentions exactly what those concerns would be from the City's
end and if that's the case I'd be very comfortable saying hey, yes we oppose aerial right now, because these
are the issues that we're concern with. For the 50 foot wide concrete structure, with the 35 foot high
elevation, etcetera. Okay place 100 feet, you know, these are things would be pretty unacceptable if that's
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what we are talking about and if that's the case absolutely aerial is not a preferred route. So that's the reason
why I want paragraph 3 in there.
Council Member Clark— so are you okay if they made the aerial different; are you leaving wiggle room in
there?
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— well what I'm saying is and this is what Valerie mentioned earlier was that they are at
1% right now and she said .... well it may not be 50 foot, it may not be 35 feet; we don't know exactly what it's
going to look like. Well okay, great you know don't what it's going to look like we don't know what it's going to
look like; what we do know is that in paragraph 3 this is what we are really concerned about. In paragraph 3
this is what we are most concern by, and for the audience I apologize, paragraph 3 specifically mentions the
50 foot concrete structure and the 35 high... sorry....
Mayor Taylor— they're called pilasters.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— pilasters, as well as the, well I would•add the
give me peace of mind in the motion that's all I'm askin `� "'
9 P 9
Council Member Armenta — Mr. Mayor if I may; so Mr. Ly you
feet.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly — then...
Council Member Armenta — what if they change it to 30 feet....
Mayor Pro Tem Ly—
Council Member Armenta` then are
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— no then
Council Member Armenta — when
those.
100 feet in there; that's what would
that what if they change it to 40
we oppose aerial and just leave it at that.
Council Member Clark — yeah, I think I agfee .... Mr. Mayor I tend to agree with Ms. Armenta because we can
always come back and change. We can always come back and say okay this looks good, we can change our
position but I don't want to leave wiggle room in now. I think we need to be very...
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— the motion, your motion opposes aerial.
Council Member Clark— okay so let's just leave it.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— all I'm asking is that paragraph 3 be put in there on the specific concern that we have
about aerial
Mayor Taylor— well Mr. Ly that paragraph is saying we're opposing the aerial route.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly — correct, yes.
for aerial?
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Mayor Taylor— by putting that in you are defining what you do not want to for the aerial.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— no, what paragraph 3 reads is, why the community understands the purpose of the
project is to alleviate traffic and congestion and improve the quality of our environment the matter becomes
extremely personal to the residents near the route because of the possible displacement of their homes and
other devastating consequences. Not only do the residents on Ramona Road have great apprehensions but
many others also noted that their property values would be affected and that they would be unable to sell
their properties. It is difficult for the community to imagine that a 50 foot concrete structure set 35 foot high
could add any other affect than to denigrate the esthetics of surrounding neighborhoods, more ever, there are
also strong concerns about the excessive speed, noise, and possible vibrations of the trains would cause with
many residents stating that they are already affected by loud freeway noise. Other suggestions concerns
over the lost of travel lanes are parking near the Ramona Road and the effect the trains would have on the
nearby schools and students. ,r
Mayor Taylor— you told me that you're oppose to a 50
tower ... or pilasters so what we're going to do is were gc
Council Member Armenta — that's exactly what I said.
Council Member Clark— that's what I'm
Mayor Taylor— realistically this is the wiggle lar
I'm saying is that what you read was fine except
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— I'm simply stating that as of
you're oppose to a 35 foot
et and go back to 40 feet in depth.
to alteW" down we reduced it 2 feet. All
irements you were objecting to.
I am opposed to aerial in concept.
Mayor Taylor— we've already said that; the letter says ttiat'vOry clearly but you just .... you put a fly in the
ointment by saying 35 feet and 50 feet, just oppose the aerial.
Mayor P�o�Tem Ly because that's the specific language that we are seeing right now; that was the aerial
that we!re.talking about, that s the aerial that we were arguing with Ms. Valerie on.
Mayor Taklo�` —., m beginning to,agree with Mrs. Clark, its wiggle room what you're putting in there. By taking
those numbers leave the letter -the way it is, I mean you've got a very valid point it's still 99% of it
affective. But by putting those dimensions in its wiggle room.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— how about we say it's difficult for the community to imagine a concrete structure that
could have any affect other'than denigrate the esthetics of surrounding neighborhoods.
Mayor Taylor — fine.
Council Member Clark— that's just explaining why we don't....
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— then that's fine by me if that paragraph can be in there and if you don't want the
numbers in there that's fine by me as well.
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Mayor Taylor— we can still approve the motion with the approval of the letter to follow.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— that's fine as long as it's understood that paragraph 3 is going to be in there.
Council Member Armenta — as long as it states that we are opposed if it goes north side, south side, and
aerial regardless of the dimensions, regardless of changing it back, scaling back two feet what have you
opposing aerial.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— as long as paragraph 3 is in there....
Council Member Armenta — but wait it's my motion I'm not....
Mayor Taylor— you're both almost there.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— I know I'm asking for a friendly amendment I believe it could`be done and both sides
can be happy with the motion, that's all I'm trying to get. I would like to sign the letter too at \ the end of the
day. \X ,,
Rachel Richman — can you then clarify what you would... with that change of not having the numbers in there,
what would that language be that you would like to see?
Mayor Taylor— you read something earlier
Jeff Allred — I understand him....
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— it's difficult for the community It
other than denigrate the esthetics of surrounding neig
Mayor Taylor— is that alright Ms. Armenta?
ine a concrete structure that could have any effect
Council MemberAimenta — that's fine as long as it states that we are opposing aerial.
Ly — yes.
Mayor Taklo `—•tt
Mayor Pro Tem I
Council Member
your motion'and the second Mr. Ly.
Member Armenta agrees with that friendly amendment.
long as it states.....
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— yes it is in there.
Council Member Armenta — I'm just making sure.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— it would state that north side we oppose that south side we oppose, we oppose
eminent domain of any homes as well as aerial because we do not believe that an aerial structure could have
any other affect than denigrate the esthetics of surrounding neighborhoods.
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Council Member Armenta — I agree.
Council Member Low — Mr. Mayor I think it is important for us as Council to have that kind of message to the
board. I think it was quite clear tonight; if we haven't said it like ten times already. I think in the beginning I
was like aerial we should be okay but then the more I listen to the comments the more I've been thinking
about it since the last two hours I'm willing to support not having the aerial. I think we should do the best we
can to push for not having the aerial and see where that goes.
Mayor Taylor— I believe we are trying to make it the strongest we can because that 9 member board can
overrule anything we say.
Council Member Low — true...
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Taylor— yes Mr. Ly.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— I apologize, I'd like to ask for
Council Member Armenta — oh here we go...
Mayor Taylor— go ahead.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— for us to oppose any rail alignment that would directl ympede or impact our community
that's because if it's on the 60 freeway especially on the north side we are talking about eminent domain 200
homes.
Council Member Armenta — nectly or indirectly.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— yeah I know but I wasn't sure was the motion just the 10 freeway or....
Mayor Taylor— that was my
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— because if it's al(
east side extension for us which would
about eminent domain 200 homes.
freeway again one not only does it destroy the Gold Line
economic gain but if it's on the north side we're talking
Council Member Armenta —of all Rosemead.
Council Member Low — Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Taylor— yes Mrs. Low.
Council Member Low— can I ask if the vote is just on the idea of how to draft this letter and I would like to
see the letter next time before we make a motion to approve that because.... there's a lot of good ideas
bouncing along but I would like to see the letter in front of me.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— we're not talking about the letter right now we are just talking about the actual motion.
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Council Member Clark — yeah, we need the motion because otherwise we're going to be... it's going to take
forever.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— yeah right now I'm not talking about the letter yet at all.
Mayor Taylor— clarify your motion again.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— the motion would be to oppose any rail alignment along Rosemead that would directly
impede the properties of Rosemead residents...
Mayor Taylor— excuse me you said on Rosemead...
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— in Rosemead, I apologize wrong proposition, oppose any rail alignment in Rosemead
that would directly impede the properties of Rosemead residents and significantly affect the quality of life in
our community and that includes north of the 10 freeway, south of the 10 freeway, and....
Council MemberArmenta — and aerial...
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— and aerial in any situations in which eminent would be use on our residents with the
language that says it's difficult for the community to imagine an aerial structure that could have any other
effect other than denigrate the esthetics of surrounding neighborhoods.
Mayor Taylor— now this is the motion?
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— that's the motion, I apologize.// l s'
Mayor Taylor— alright, it will also be in the letter that comer back.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly— I would hope it would be.
Council Membe the letter will come back before it goes out, please.
r�
MayorT ay��lor�� so shall\e vote?
Council M;mbi — rArmenta — before we vote .... Ms. Martinez I know that you're the messenger and you are
only giving us the information tha & Authority is given you. We really appreciate you coming here and
having the opportunity to speakrto you; it's just you have to understand that a lot of us are passionate of
Rosemead especially havinglived here since I been... since I been 6 ... wait that doesn't even make
sense... ever since I was ` 6 years old. And a lot of these are my neighbors because that's my home on Olney
Street, my house is actually goes back to the retaining wall so that's why it's very ... this issue is very dear to
our hearts and we're very passionate but we do appreciate that you came down and to try and explain but
you would understand why we are a little... passionate of where we stand.
Mayor Taylor— I would also like to make a comment we may have sounded harsh about it is not a personal
attack on you at all because you're not a voting member. I mean you're sent here to try and explain and we
understand that ... I just want to make it clear that it's nothing personal, it has to go to that 9 member board
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and they'll vote however they want to vote but anyway all we can do is get it on the record. Okay you called
for a motion on it.
Mayor Pro Tern Ly— call for the question.
Mayor Taylor— alright.
Council Member Sandra Armenta made a motion, seconded by Mayor Pro Tern Steven Ly, to oppose
any rail alignment in Rosemead that would directly impede the properties of residents and
significantly affect the quality of life in our community and that includesmort ,of the 10 freeway,
south of the 10 freeway, and aerial in any situations in which eminent be use to on our
residents with the language that says it's difficult for the community4o an aerial structure
that could have any other affect other than denigrate the esthetics of surrounding neighborhoods.
Vote resulted in: N N- -
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
Mayor Taylor asked that the High Speed
Mayor Pro Tern Steven Ly made a motion, sec
transcribe thei High Speed Rail portion of the
the minutes be transcribed in verbatim.
Member Sandra Armenta to
Vote resulted in:
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: Low
Absent: None
8. CITY GOUNCICCONSENT CALENDAR
Minutes
8, 2010 — Special Meeting
(j
No. 2010 — 62
Recommendation: to approve Resolution No. 2010 — 62, entitled:
RESOLUTION NO. 2010 — 62, FOR PAYMENT OF CITY EXPENDITURES IN THE
AMOUNT OF $1,440,311.34 NUMBERED 100966 THROUGH 1, INCLUSIVELY.
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E. Authorization to Solicit Bids for Construction of the Rosemead Aquatic Center and the
. Garvey Aquatic Center Projects
As part of the City's Fiscal Year 2010 -11 Capital Improvement Program, the City
Council has approved the complete renovation of the Rosemead Park and Garvey Park
Aquatic Centers including pools and other aquatic play amenities, bath houses, and
mechanical facilities. Architectural designs as well as construction plans and specifications
have been prepared for these significant improvement projects.
Recommendation: That the City Council authorize staff to advertise and solicit bids for the
Rosemead Aquatic Center Renovation Project and the Garvey Aquatic Center Renovation
Project. /N
Hellman Avenue Street Resurfacing Project — Award of Contract
As part of the City's Capital Improvement Prog am,the'GityACouncil approved a project to
resurface Hellman Avenue, which consists of asphalt concrete overlay, sidewalk repairs,
traffic striping, signage installation, curb ramps construction, traffic signal upgrades, and
appurtenances. The limits of this project are from Jackson =Avenue to Walnut Grove Avenue.
Funding for this project is available through Traffic Congestio Relief funds.
Recommendation: That the City Council:
1. Approv `elpplans'arid'.specifications for this improvement project:
2. Authorize the City)Manager to enter into a contract with Sully - Miller Contracting for the
Hellman Avenue�St 'e`efResurfacinq,Project in the amount of $475,771.62; and
3. Establish an amouN equal to the contract amount ($47,577), as a contingency, to cover
the potential cost of- unforeseen site conditions.
H. Interstate 10 and Del M nue Landscape Improvements — Award of Contract
As part of the City's Fiscal Year 2010 -11 Capital Improvement Program, the City Council
approved a project to improve freeway off ramp areas adjacent to the Interstate 10 Freeway
at Del Mar Avenue. This project includes a complete landscape makeover, which includes
ground cover, trees, shrubs, and color splashes (roses and perennials) on off ramp slopes
and adjacent areas.
Recommendation: That the City Council:
1. Approve the landscape plans and specifications; and
2. Adopt Resolution No. 2010 — 67, authorizing the City Manager to enter into a contract
with Eco Logic Inc. for the 1 -10 /Del Mar Avenue Beautification Project (using the State of
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California Department of Transportation Contract No. 07- 166814) in the amount of
$59,846.50 and establish an amount of $8,977 (approximately 15 %) to cover the cost of
any unforeseen construction expenses. Resolution No. 2010 -67 entitled:
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD REGARDING
CONTRACTING FOR LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSTATE 10
FREEWAY OFF RAMP AREAS ADJACENT TO DEL MAR AVENUE
Council Member Sandra Armenta made a motion, second Council Member Clark, to approve City
Council Consent Calendar. Vote resulted in:
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
C. Ordinance 901— Second Reading: Amending Title 17 (Zoning) of the Rosemead
Municipal Code to Revise the Regulations for Flag Lot Development
On August 24, 2010, the City-Council reviewed Ordinance No. 901, approving municipal
code amendment 10 -05, amend ng Title 17 ( Zoning) of the Rosemead municipal code to
revise the regulations for Flag L t'Development. Ordinance No. 901 is now before Council
at the required second reading for�adopti
Recommendation: That the City C\nci` I ad inance No. 901, at its second reading,
entitled: �� v
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCILrOF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD, CALIFORNIA,
APPROVING MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDMENT 10 -05 AMENDING TITLE 17 (ZONING)
OF THE ROSEMEAD MUNICIPAL COE TO REVISE THE REGULATIONS FOR FLAG LOT
Mayor Taylor inquired about'appendix A, it did not mention the rear yard set backs to the homes to the
subdivisioN f'the lot. Mr. Taylo reiterated that it states the rear yards,set backs, front yards, side yards and
of the subdivided land but it does mention how far the subdivided portion must be. What is the separation
of the front house�and4he second douse. It tells you what the side yard is for the new lot but not what the
back yard has to be`for the frontyouse.
Principal Planner Bermejoiexplained that the actual text of the municipal code goes through the set back
requirements for each lot within the flag lot subdevelopment ordinance. Appendix A, is meant to deal with lot
area requirements to try to depict a difference between net lot area and gross lot area an actually illustrate
what the requiments are for the street frontage of the enterior lot, main lot and what the minimum frontage is
for the access leg.
Mayor Taylor stated that the minimum frontage for the access, you can take the front of the rear house can
be perpendicular to the,front street. The house facing the street, the front of it would be parallel with the
street.
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Principal Planner Bermejo replied it was correct.
Mayor Taylor continued that in the front of the house it can turn 90 degrees and face the access. Mr. Taylor
refered to page 3, and inquired about the side lot.
Principal Planner Bermejo stated that the purpose of that standard plan P6 in appendix A, is to give direction
to both commission, developers and staff on how front yards may be determined in a flag lot subdivision.
Mayor Talylor asked what did the code state as far as side yard should be.
Principal Planner Bermejo explained that side yard requirement is ten percent'of the lot width or five feet or
which ever is greater for the first lot.
Mayor Taylor asked if it cannot be under five feet.
Principal Planner Bermejo replied it cannot.
Mayor Taylor reiterated that clarifies the new subdivided lot. He asked what is the rear yard of the existing
building in the front yard. �
Principal Planner Bermejo stated that rear yard
it's going to be 25 feet.
Mayor Taylor asked that to be clarified because tht
he wanted to be sure and verify that it's 25 feet and
yard.
Economic Develoment Director Wong replied correct.
Mayor
Bermejo star
!ained within
Mayor Taylor stated`that item
within the underlvinq zone.sh6
upon what zone is in. For example, if it's in R1
did not indicate that. Mr. Taylor expressed that
or can be five feet because now that is a side
we make sure it's going to be a 25 foot set back from the front house.
the text of the ordinance, for rear yard, states, "those rear yard set back
ferlying zone shall apply".
just one sentence, "those rear yard set back requirements contained
Principal PlannerBermejo,stated that it meant, you can do a flag lot subdivision in both R1 and R2 zone and
the developer, property owner will need to look to the R1 or R2 zone to find our what their rear yard
requirement will be.
Mayor Gary Taylor made a motion, second Mayor Pro Tern Steven Ly, to adopt ordinance 901 on its
second reading. Voted in:
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
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Abstain: None
Absent: None
D. Assignment of Rosemead Zoning Ordinance Update Contract to Civic Solutions, Inc
On July 15, 2010, the Community Development Department issued a Request for Proposal
(RFP) to seek a qualified land use consultant to assist Planning Division staff with the update
of the City's Zoning Ordinance. Section 65860 et seq of the California Government Code
states that a zoning ordinance shall be consistent with the city general plan if the city has
officially adopted such plan and the various land uses authorized by the ordinance are
compatible with the objectives, policies, general land uses, and programs specified in the
plan.
City Council adopted a comprehensive update
to best plan Rosemead's future. The General'
revitalizing commercial districts, focusing,rrii e
the quality and charter of residential neighbgrh
To implement Rosemead's General Plan polio
comprehensive Zoning Ordinance update be c
use, and zoning laws.
Recommendation: That the City Council take the
eral Plan earlier this year about how
establishes clear policy direction for
elopment projects, and maintaining
,strengthening the industrial base.
it-i§, recommended that a
in accordance with planning, land
Authorize the City Manager to execute the contract assignment to Civic Solutions, Inc. in
the amount
Establiss
h an amountjof $5,000 as a contingency to cover the potential cost of
unf ro eseen uodate "and environmental review conditions.
Mayor Taylor expressed conce`m,thattthe lowest =bidder Hogle Ireland was $44,900.70, Civic Solutions is
$45,000; when they go out and bid a,lob,they are entitled for the lowest bid. On page 2 states, "Although
Hogle Ireland recently completed the city` general plan update and provided the lowest cost estimate, their
proposal required the most amount of staffttime dedicated to preparing the new ordinance ". How can that be
if the people who did the general plan are-familiar with everything they did with the city and we picked Civic
Solution. Mr. Taylor felt that if you are familiar with a document you helped prepare you are more proficient
and faster to correlate what you are doing.
Principal Planner Bermejo stated out of seventeen proposals three came back and two of the three that came
back proposed scopes of work that was a share work effort between both the consultant and staff. Based on
the budget of $45,000 staff looked at how much of the work to update that code would require staff time;
Hogle Ireland's proposal included that staff would be responsible for updating all the developments
standards, zones, permited uses and updating the definitions with the municipal code and attending two
public hearings. Civic Solutions is going to work on all those items and attend more public outreach meetings
and offer more techincal assistance.
Mayor Taylor stated that meant that they will be putting in more to do it; Hogle Ireland has been through the
whole procedure and staff knows who they are.
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City Manager Allred commented that the basis for going with Civic Solutions was because they were going to
do more work and not rely upon staff. Our planning staff is very small and the principal planner, who heads
the division, will be leaving on maternity leave at some point and we will be less staffed.
Mayor Taylor stated that he has seen different proposals and always knew that the subs were credible
because they knew the internal working on what is going on. Mr. Taylor asked if there were some staff that
were around when the General Plan was updated. On page 2, 4th paragraph, Civic Solutions also has recent
experience working in the City of Rosemead. In 2007 the firm contracted to develop mixed use development
guidelines. These guidelines were adopted by the City Council on Septemberett e'25t:, 2007 and in 2008
were contracted to work on mixed use. Mr. Taylor reiterated that has be done�and they will have to go back
and re -learn what has been done. Hogle Ireland has that knowledge.
Council Member Low stated that staff felt it's costing more to the city; 'ih,addition'to the cost from the
company that is also the cost of staff time. Staff time cost more if we go with Hogle Ireland.,
Mayor Taylor stated that they are both using the same documentation.
Council Member Low replied that's what the proposal is.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly stated that Hogle Ireland would•reguire staff to do more work. Hogle Ireland all would do
at the end of the process is to would compile everything - hereas, Civic Solustion will participate in some of
the work. Even though we are paying Civic Solut ons a l it morere it's they will be able to take on
more work.
Council Member Clark expressed that she had the same concerns Mr. Taylor stated. She did not want
somebody to come in and change everything with their own opinion.
Mayor Taylor stated that Civic Solution did the opposite and the way we did it and they will rewrite into the
new.
Council'Member Clark stated that Hogle Ireland worked with Ms. Low and herself in a subcommittee and
know4hat the concerns wereland,incoroorated them in the new General Plan.
Mayor Pro Tem Lystated that he belived staff shares the Council's position on mixed use develpoment and
General Plan; they will,be reviewing the process and he is confident they will enforce the will of the Council.
Council Member Clark stated'that if you got a consultant coming in that doesn't know our concerns and
pushing for something we';dont want they are going to redo it.
Mayro Pro Tem Ly stated that the Planning Department has two part time employees, two full time
employees and one employee who will leave on maternity leave soon; that leaves one full time planner. Mr.
Ly reiterated that he would like to make sure that they are confortable with the consulatnt they are hiring so
they can get the work done because it's an important project.
Council Member Clark stated that we are bringing our zoning code to conform with the General Plan and
are not going to make many changes becuase we already have the General Plan.
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Council Member Low agreed with Council Member Clark, that we do have the General Plan and are working
in getting our zoning code to match what is in the General Plan. Ms. Low reiterated that we just need to find
someone to do the work and in the case of Civic Solutions, they do more work instead of having a company
do some of the work and staff do the other.
Community Development Director Wong stated that the city has an outdated zoning and staff will be working
closely with Civic Solution.
Mayor Taylor asked why can't Hogle Ireland do that since they are familiar
Community Development Director Wong replied that we are short
Solution.
Mayor Taylor reiterated that Hogle Ireland knows what has been done.
Council Member Low stated that did not mean they're not charging more.
comfortable with Civic
Council Member Armenta wanted to clarify that the two companies have worked with the city before and a
consultant in the past said in 2008 that cars would be obsolete one day. When the previous council majority
was here they had a consultant come in they wee revisiting the general plan.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly clarified that this was when they we're the valley vision plan.
Mayor Taylor reiterated that he had reservations about ^`switching o`vertb somebody that will come in and
analyze the work that has been done by somebody else`when you have the option of letting that consultant
come in and go right to the documents. Civic Solutions is going to have to analyze all that was done before
and he belives that its not going to be cheaper. If somebody what they are looking for and knows
where it is they can do it much faster, rather than the other'one having to analyze what the other one did and
clarifying definitions and explanations and that is when they can put their definition. Mr. Taylor felt that being
the lowest bidder and what has Hogle Ireland done and more knowledge.
Council Member Low stated that Civic Solution's proposal is $45,000 that is the maxium rate. the City will
not pay any more if it takes them longer to do the work.
Mayor Pro Tern Ly stated that it has a $5,000 contingency fee.
Community Development Director Wong stated that there is a $50,000 budget with a $5,000 contingency.
Mayor Taylor asked if Hogle Ireland would be able to do the same.
Community Development Director Wong replied yes.
Council Member Low stated that the price could go up to $49,000.
City Manager Allred stated that planning staff proposed to work with Civic Solution for several reasons. First,
efficiency and staff believes they will get more work out of Civic Solutions.
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Mayor Pro Tem Ly stated that after talking to staff, he wants to make sure that who ever gets the contract
staff can best work with them on this important project. For example, we have a a new height intensity
commercial area which the city finds very important; and how those things get defined and get implemented
in the zone map is very important.
Council Member Armenta stated that she belives the city has a department that is really looking for the best
of the city; they dont have a hidden agenda. Ms. Armenta reiterated that the department is here for the
betterment of Rosemead and if they feel this company is going to be more efficient and cost effective we
should listen to what they have to say.
Mayor Pro Tern Steven Ly made a motion, seconded by Council Member Polly Low, to approve
authorize the City Manager to execute the contract assignment to Civic Solutions, Inc. and establish
$5,000 as a contingency. Vote resulted in: ./
Yes: Armenta, Low, Ly
No: Taylor
Abstain: Clark
Absent: None
Council Member Clark asked that staff monitor what the consultant IS
G. Emergency Generator for City Hall — Authorization to S Bids
As part of the Fiscal Year 2010 -11 Capital Improvement Program, the City Council
approved,fundi g to'replace the existing undersized and inadequate standby generator at
City Hall with a new 250.kW engine emergency generator.
The existingbackupgeneratoc at City Hall is 13 kW and only backs up a limited number of
operational activitiesever orit
1 Y of 'facility lighting, al outlets /utilities are not currently tied to the existing
generator, includin the m li s computers and
9` �� 9, air conditioning system, com p
telecommunications devices Upgrading the existing generator would allow City operations
to be fully operational during.a'power outage or an emergency, for up to 72 hours.
Recommendation: That the City Council authorize staff to advertise and solicit bids to
complete the construction and installation of a new generator for City Hall.
City Manager Allred reviewed the staff report.
Mayor Taylor asked why is the city doing the landscaping if it's Caltrans property.
City Manager Allred replied that Clatrans does not do a good a job and we want to have it more beautiful.
Mayor Taylor inquired about page 2, that there are approximately $500,000 for Beuatifcation improvements
and we are doing Del Mar, San Gabriel, Walnut Grove, Rosemead, why are we doing Caltrans job. Mr. Taylor
objected that at first it started out that we were going to paint these bridges there was one cost, adn $160,000
for the painting and now there is a potential that we are up to $500,000 because now we are paying for
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Caltrans landscaping.
City Manager Allred stated that we are going to upgrade the landscaping because they do such a poor job.
On Wlanut Grove on the west side by the 1 -10, or the 1 -10 and Rosemead Boulevard is an example of the
very poor jobs Caltrans does and we can significantly upgrade the appearance of the City.
Mayor Taylor expressed concern that the projects that we are doing on phase I are coming out at over $53
million dollars. we have $9.4 million in the bond sale and $5 million left in the redevelopment account.
City Manager Allred stated yes it's that about $14 million.
Mayor Taylor continued that $14.4 million, we still have to come up with�another milliom dollars.
City Manager Allred stated that's over 15 years.
Mayor Taylor replied no, the project are going on right now in phase I this year.
City Manager Allred stated that they are paid for.
Mayor Taylor spoke about a presentation in
and how we cut our labor expenses back. Mr
Brisco came back and stated it was a compul
where it was talked about saving half of the labor cost
asked for an explanation for that in the past, and Mr.
that was $3 million that no one caught.
City Manager Allred reiterated that our budget this
are funded.
capital improvement projects that
Mayor Taylor stated that Mr. Allred gave Council three pages of what has been accomplished and to add the
dollars at the end. \
Mayor Pro Tem7StFven•Ly made a motion, seconded by Council Member Polly Low, to authorize staff
to advertise -and solicit'bitls to complete the construction and installation of a new generator for City
Hall. Vote. in: '
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly
Ao Taylor ll
Abstain: None
Absen,None
Mayor Taylor stated that,he voted no on this item because we are now taking over the landscaping for the
State of California that will be a couple of thousand dollars.
City Manager Allred stated that Caltrans informed him that they do maintenance on their right -a -ways once
every six months.
Mayor Taylor stated that we just assumed all the maintenance and the landscaping for the State of California
and not send them a bill.
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Public Works Director Marcarello explained that staff is undertaking a significant amount of maintenance.
Mayor Taylor asked what kind of status report do we have as far as what we have been doing.
City Manager Allred stated that we are doing it with our in house staff that is able to perform the work and its
going to make a huge difference in the City of Rosemead. Mr. Allred added that residents will be proud to live
in this town and right now the Caltrans areas are horrible.
9. MATTERS FROM CITY MANAGER & STAFF
A. State Ballot Measures 19 and 26 Opposition
The League of California Cities (League) has taken a,pbsition o No on Proposition
19 and 26, which are scheduled to be included in the November 20110,Statewide Election.
The League has also requested its members to adopt resolutions opposing these
propositions.
Recommendation: That the City Council approve Resolution No. 2010- 58,4nd Resolution
2010 -59 in opposition to Propositions 19 and 26, entitled:
1 �-.
A RESOLUTION OF THE ROSEMEA CITY COUNCIL OPPOSING PROPOSITION 19,
THE REGULATE, CONTROL AND TAXCANNABIS ACT OF 2010
A RESOLUTION OF THE
PROPOSITION 26,
TENT: STATE AND LOCAL FEES AND
LIMITATIONS
Council Member
Margaret Clark made a motion;
which opposes proposition 19
Yes: Armenta, Clark,
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
and oppose 19and'tabled 26.
, Pro Tem Steven Ly, to approve reolution 2010 58
and tax cannabis act of 2010. Vote resulted in:
Taylor
Mayor Pro Tem Ly expressed concern with proposition 26 explaining that it closes loop holes in terms of
fees and taxes in how they can be raised. California being the highest taxed State, opposing 26 essentially
amounts to raising taxes. Mr. Ly reiterated that he could not support the League's position on 26.
Mayor Taylor stated that he was puzzled why this item was on the agenda when the rule of three applies.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly stated that staff took the position of the California League of Cities and he has been in
opposite end with the League on some issues.
City Manager Allred stated that the reason why it's on the agenda is because the League requested that all
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their members Cities take this position.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly stated that it's the League's prerogative and he does not support their position. Mr. Ly
clarified that he did support proposition 26, but the League opposes proposition 26.
City Manager Allred stated that the League has asked cities to oppose it as well.
Mayor Taylor clarified that staff is asking to oppose it.
City Manager Allred stated the League is recommending it as well, since the City is a member of the League
and have asked other cities to support their position; however Council Member Ly does not agree.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly asked to table proposition 26.
Mayor Pro Tem Steven Ly made a motion, seconde
resulted in:
A
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly
No: Taylor
Abstain: None
Absent: None
Parks, Recreation, and General Fac
ble proposition 26. Vote
Last year, CityrCouncil authorized the development of the City's first-ever Parks, Recreation
u < r.
and General r Faci4 ies Master Plan. MIG, Inc. working with several other specialist
consultants completed the final draft of the Master Plan. It is being presented to City
Council as a road map to future development, renovation, and programs.
Completion of &Waster Plan- accords with the City of Rosemead's Strategic Plan Goal 1:
"Beautify commundy and improve public facilities," and Goal 2: "Enhance
public safety and quality life." Further, the plan is consistent with the challenge set forth in
Rosemead's General Plan regarding the "availability of quality park, recreation, and open
space facilities to meet the'tleeds of all Rosemead residents."
Recommendation: That the City Council receive and file the Parks, Recreation, and
General Facilities Master Plan.
City Manager Allred stated that staff is recommending that council does not take any action on this matter
because there has been some concerns and asked that this item be deffered to a future meeting.
10. MATTERS FROM MAYOR & CITY COUNCIL
B. Resolution No. 2010 -66 — Nominating Council Member Clark to Represent Cities
without Prescriptive Water Pumping Rights of the San Gabriel Basin Water Quality
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Resolution No. 2010 -66, is for nominating the city's vote for Council Member Clark to another
term on the San Gabriel Basin Water Quality Board. Council Member Clark has been a
Charter Member of the Board since it was established in 1992.
Recommendation: That the City Council approve Resolution No. 2010 -66, entitled:
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD, CALIFORNIA
NOMINATING COUNCIL MEMBER MARGARET CLARK TO REPRESENT CITIES
WITHOUT PRESCRIPTIVE WATER PUMPING RIGHTS OF THE SAN GABRIEL BASIN
WATER QUALITY AUTHORITY /
Council Member Sandra Armenta made a motion, seconded by Mayor`Pro Tem Steven Ly, to
nominate Council Member Margaret Clark to represent cities with our prescriptive water pumping
rights of the San Gabriel Basin Water Quality Authority. Vote resulted in:
Yes: Armenta, Clark, Low, Ly, Taylor
No: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
Mayor Pro Tem Ly asked Ms. Clark, what does�h�at ,mean for us to not have pumping rights.
Council Member Clark replied that the city does'no� t ow ells in the city and we have seven different
water companies. Monterey Park for example owns' \ thheir ro ow'n water
Mayor Pro Tem Ly asked why does the city not own h' ,water wells,, has it been like this historically.
Council Member Clark commented since the founding fa� rs
Mayor Pro Tem'Lyasked that he would like to see an ordinance regarding organizations that use city
facilities forfree to h`eve.the City's name represented. For example the Monterey park Angels use city
facilities4A they are using•the name Monterey Park.
\
Council MemberArmenta stated that she spoke to Mr. Rubino, and under their non -profit their title says
Monterey PA and in December they are supposed to change that.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly stated that,th Lady Hawks gave some pens to Council and they noted Rosemead
California. He was proudthatthe Lady Hawks use city facilities and represent Rosemead.
Council MemberArmenta stated that the Lady Hawks do not have a non - profit number because it's a very
small team and so they have to pay.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly asked if the city gave them a waiver.
Council MemberArmenta replied no, not for non - profit. they are paying and staff should look into.
Unfortunately, since the founding fathers have left Mr. Quezada is the only person holding the team together;
he does not have the time nor the means to get the non - profit and therefore has to pay. Ms Armenta stated
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that she has seen the banner they take everywhere and it says Lady Hawkes Rosemead California. Just
because they do not have a non - profit number they are required to pay for city facilities.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly stated that he was on a Metro meeting and they have a bus service sector for the San
Gabriel Valley, a committee which he sits on to represent Rosemead, Monterey Park, and Montebello. An
issue they spoke about is eliminating one of those lines, 177 which connects Pasadena. The representaives
from La Canada and Sierra Madre fought on that and basically by delaying implementation of that line cut,
Metro has said there will be service cuts; one of those lines that they are talking about for service cuts is line
70 which brings everyone from El Monte Transit Village to Union Station via Garvey. This will have a
significant impact to our communities. j=
Mayor Taylor suggested that this be brought for dicussion in a future
Mayor Pro Tem Ly commended parks and recreation staff and Mr. Montgomery= Scott>ffor their work on the
911 ceremony and 5k run. Also asked staff to look into some needed asphalt repairs that
improvements.
Council MemberArmenta thanked Mr. Montgomery-Scott for a well organized event and tlhariked staff,
Sheriffs department and UFC for partnering for the event. Also asked staff to bring back the discussion
regarding the Lady Hawks, they are not a non - profit organization and they are a team that represents the city
of Rosemead.
Council Member Low congratulated Mr. Montgomery-Scott and staff for the event.
Council Member Clark
Mayor Taylor asked staff,ifthey got
Mayor Taylor stated it i c stu rbinc
Assistant City Manager
Mayor Taylor asked how does the
different ones.
are going to cut the sale tax.
Assistant City Manager Hawkesworth stated "that out of our 9.75 percent, the Stated percentage of that is the
5 percent. They get 5 percent of the 9.75 percent, and the city gets 1 percent.
Mayor Taylor stated that we voted to get the transit tax refunded to the cities; and asked if we have a tax like
that we voted on. Mr. Taylor asked for more information regarding Measure R.
City Manager Allred clarified that it's Measure R
Assistant City Manager Hawkesworth stated that out of the 9.75 percent, the city gets 1 percent, the State
gets 5 percent and the rest of it is the portion to various areas like Prop A, Prop C, Measure R is an
assesment on that, the County gets some of the sales tax.
Mayor Taylor asked for a memo from staff clarifying with more information
for the event and loved the t- shirts.
ernors Tax reform proposal, if the rest of the Council recived this?
is the sale tax between Rosemead and El Monte.
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Assistant City Manager Hawkesworth asked it Council wanted a memo on how the 9.75 pecent sales tax is
broken up for Rosemead.
Mayor Taylor replied as far as how we get 1 percent cash back for the city. Mr. Taylor spoke about the
Governors proposal to start taxing all services. Reading that the Governor's proposal states, "accomodations
and related" such as hotels, that's where we have a ten percent transit occupancy tax, he wants to add that.
On utilities, we don't have that and now they want to charge on the water, gas, phone, electric on top of
everybody's State water, not just Rosemead. There are 25 items that they want to start taxing and also
telecommunications, like cable television, satellite television. Household services they would start taxing ten
percent as well as health care.
Council Member Clark asked if Prop 26 would stop that.
Mayor Pro Tem Ly stated that health care would include
Mayor Taylor stated that they want to add sales tax on
going to the doctor. Mr. Taylor continued reading on wh
the Governor's proposal.
Council Member Low asked what would Council want to do with
Mayor Taylor asked to find out where is the status of the proposal is at
the governor's budget and the high speed rail.
will not spend thousands of dollar
Cfor services are being proposed in
what is going on with
Assistant City Manager Hawkesworth,spoke to Michael Coleman, who is the financial and fiscal analyst for
the League. He will meet him o Friday�and they will be talking about this issue.
Mayor Taylor stated that there,is a lawsuit going on for Freedom of Information Act with the Limberg News,
Bank of America, Wells Farg�Citi nnd'other two that they issue funds out for their debt of $12 trillion
and are being sued. It's a refence on what- is.going on and ask that staff find out what they can and
bring it back. \��
11. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 10:57 p.m. The next regular joint Community Development Commission, the
Rosemead Financing Authority, and City Council meeting is scheduled to take place on September 28, 2010
at 6:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m., respectively.
Gary Taylor
Mayor
ATTEST:
Gloria Molleda, City Clerk
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