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CC - 01-20-78 - Adjourned MeetingAPPROVED CITY OF I3®SEAIEA DATE - - BY MINUTES OF THE ADJOURNED`.SPECIAL MEETING OF ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL JANUARY 20, 1978,AT 8:00 P. M. An Adjourned Special Meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called to order by Mayor Pro Tem Imperial in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Blvd., Rosemead, California at 8:15 p. m. ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS Present: Councilmembers Hunter, Imperial, Taylor & Trujillo Absent: Mayor Cichy Pledge to the Flag was led by Councilwoman Trujillo. Invocation was delivered by Beth Wyckoff,of Wyckoff Assoc. Mayor Pro-Tem requested that the Meeting be limited to the Agenda Items only. Councilman Taylor requested that the City Attorney clarify the question of the legality of the Special Meeting. City Attorney Wallin stated that under Government Code Section 54955 "when a special meeting is called and there is less than a quorum present, it specifically provides that less than a quorum may adjourn from time to time and further provi- sion is provided for posting notice of said adjourned special meeting within 24 hours after adjournment. As I understand what has happened here is that a special meeting was properly noticed for Tuesday, the 17th, that meeting was not adjourned, less than a quorum adjourned it, and was adjourned to Thursday at 7:00 p. m., where less than a quorum was present and at that meeting.only one person was present and was adjourned to tonight at 8:00 p. m." Councilman Taylor stated: "I apologize for some of the in- convenience that I have caused some of the Councilmembers and especidlly.ethetcitizens that have come to some of these meetings. My sole intentz:for that was that there was a deadline that had to be met, and I could not simply let it pass and at least not make an effort, whatever the vote may be.,, Mayor Imperial inquired if there was any other comments from Councilwoman Trujillo or Councilman Hunter. They both stated "no". Item No. 1. CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NO. CONSENTING TO BOND ISSUANCE FOR CERTAIN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS City Attorney Wallin stated:'Jthe item no. 1 is considera- tion of Ordinance No. 468 is an Ordinance of the City of Rose- mead requiring voter approval of the issuance of all tax allo- cation bonds." Mayor Imperial inquired if there is a motion to approve. City Attorney Wallin stated "this is anoordinance that is to be submitted to the voters and is to be approved as to form only.'.' City Attorney stated that the Ordinance to be approved is Ordinance No. 469 which is entitled "An Ordinance of the City of Rosemead approving the Issuance by the Rosemead Redevelop- ment Agency,Redevelopment Project Area #1, Tax Allocation Bonds, Series B, for its Corporate Purposes. This is an Ordinance which would be submitted to'the voters, and the motion would be to approve it as to form." sCM 1-20-78 Page #1 Motion was by Councilwoman Trujillo. Councilman Taylor stated "there was some discussion before on Section 2. being removed. I believe that the Council is fully aware that we are making aumbtion as it is now." Councilwoman Trujillo stated "yes'; I made such a motion" Councilman Taylor. seconded the motion. Councilman Taylor stated that there was a correction made on Section 2. of Ordinance No. 469. and it was to read as Ordi- nance No. 468 Section 2 which states 'This Ordinance shall not take effect until approved by the voters pursuant to the Elec- tion Code Section 4017, and shall go into effect pursuant to Elections Code Section 4013.' Both Ordinances should read the same in Section 2. Councilman Taylor inquired if the Mayor had a chance to read the minutes of the Council Meeting which was held last Tuesday. Mayor Imperial stated that he had not had a chance to read them as he had arrived home a few minutes before coming to the Council Meeting. Councilman Taylor "some of the facts that were brought out at that point, again the reason that I felt that we needed this Special Meeting, the Tax Allocation Bonds, I had called the Auditor Controller of Los Angeles County,.and.Redevelopment Agencies as of October have an outstanding liablility of bonded indebtedness of just the Cities in L. A. County, that liability comes tD)$1;119,000,000. Rosemead's current share of that out- standing debt is approximately $4,000,000,but that's just Rosemead's share and that's current that's not projecting any new bonds. If we sell $10,000,000 new bonds the earliest we could pay them off with the existing bonds right now would be approximately 12 years. That would bring out $10,000,000 bond sale up to $21,000,000,with interest. That is if we pay it off within 10 or 12 years. If we go the full 25 years, we are talking about a potential liability of $30,000,000. My feeling is that if we wanted to go ahead, the city could improve the streets at a I a million dollars a year or a $1,000,000 a year, we would save a $1,000,000 in interest, keeping in mind that in that 10 year span we would have to pay a $1,000,000 out of the $10,000,000 bond sale on just distributing it in lO;years. $1,000,000 each year for improvement plus $1,000,000 interest on it. I think that is an exhb'rbitant fee to pay, we have been back and forth as to the time element of improving the streets of Rosemead since it has been a City for approximately 18 years and I have also said I would work with the Council to try to improve those streets. I have asked if the tenants, not only the owners, would sign a petition, just half of those people saying that we will take enough interest in it, enough pride to say 'yes' we will want our street improved. I think that would be fair, but the way it is now with the 507o of the owners are absentee landlords which has been verified that is an extremely unfair burden to make all of the residents for the past 18 years to pay their fair share. Sometimes its hard, but still they ended up paying it. All of a sudden we are going to give 507o of this preferential treatment to absentee landlords who will not invest in Rosemead. They are getting their payments made by someone else in the City here, but I think that is extremely unfair. Its not the question of not wanting the curbs and gutters, every member on the Council wants thetstreet improvements. Its just the method that'is being used. There was other discussion, about the current tax increment that the County of Los Angeles pays out to.different cities. It started out at approximately 2:6 million dollars six years ago from the County General Fund and it is now up to $36,000,000 out of the County General Fund and thats just from the County. The other taxing agency stated out with $7,500,000 six years ago and the loss now is $107,000,000 it is cli'mb'ing 507o every year. Do you remember in the slide presentation about the curb and gutter pro- gram, there was a slide that stated that tax increment paid out for the last year's tax bill was $72,000,000, and that slide and presentation stated that was 2.17o. Well, taking the difference SCM 1-20-78 Page #2 0 11Y 0 since October when the slides were made with the current tax bill it has gone from $72,000,000 to $107,000,000 roughly a 507o increase in that 4 month period. Its true, I dont know the cut off date of the tax bill but it does show what's been happening in the past 6 years, an increase of 507o. Another aspect of the bond information that weoget from Stone and Youngberg I referred to the fact that the liability t hit I stated was $1,119,000,000 was of October 1st the filing date, since October the lst there has been approximately 20 more Redevelopment bonds floated within Los Angeles County. There is Montebello, Monterey Park, La Mirada, San Diego, Alhambra, Cerritos, Irwindale, Pasadena, just since that time there has been another $182,000,000 worth of bonds sold, and multiply that with interest that comes to $400,000;'000. Its snow balling so fast, with:°the Tax problem the way it is, the Legislature is trying to find answers. This is an open ended deal, and it goes on and on." Mayor Imperial inquired how this will effect the City of Rosemead,.with what the other cities are getting into as far as Redevelopment and Bond issuance. Councilman Taylor stated "Mr. Mayor we become party to the rip-off program" -Mayor Imperial "I am asking monitarily, will it effect us monitarily in so far as what other cities receiving Redevelop- ment bonds?" Councilman Taylor "I still don't understand the question" Mayor Imperial "If we do not receive Redevelopment Bonds, but the City of Irwindale, who just floated $24,000,000 of Redevelopment Bonds, will this effect the City of Rosemead whatsoever in our tax structure." Councilman Taylor "in a way it will" Mayor Imperial "what we.- are saying is that whether we gete it or not we are going to be effected by it on our tax structure by what other cities do with Redevelopment money in Los Angeles County." Councilman Taylor "Every city:-.in^Los Angeles County includ- ing every citizen of Rosemead is effected by every Redevelopment project. The Auditor Controller stated to me it has to be done this way. In the sense that the County needs $3,600,000,000 for their budget and they dont care if it comes from Irwindale, Rose- mead or Alhambra. They have a budget to meet and if they cant get it out of Redevelopment Agencies, they assess the adjoining property which means Rosemead also, so it does effect us. They up the rate for everyone else to make up for what they lost in Redevelopment Projects." Mayor Imperial "What I'm asking, Councilman Taylor, and I'm not trying to monopolize the conversation because I am in the Chair, but just as a point of information, regardless, if we do nottget curbs and gutters in the City of Rosemead and the City of Industry or the City of Irwindale or any one else should get curbs and gutters then we will still pay whether we get curbs or gutters or not." Councilman Taylor "we still pay -----everyone pays the taxes" Mayor Imperial stated "you have answered my question" Councilman Taylor "the fact that Project Area #1, these re- ports have come out last week from the auditor controller, and I was not aware myself until last week that there.are over 70 taxing agencies involved in Project Area #1. That involves the library districts, school districts, fire department, sheriff's, sewer and it just goes on and on. I was surprized because on our tax bill it does show 10 or 12 items but the County Auditor has now scM broken down every project area in L. A. County and it does show 1-20-7E approximately 70 agencies and they have no say over the Redevel- page #3 opment Projects either." There is an awful bt of information 0 coming out now, and I have just obtain about 40 pages of it,.;just last week, but it verifies what is going on. I also mention the fact that with the State Legislature trying to find ways to amend the tax laws now, that this is one of the ways that I think they will end up resolving it because of all the Redevelopment Agencies taking property taxes. I mentioned the McNutt law suit which is filed against the Redevelopment Agencies because of what's claimed to be an unconstitutional tax shift. Taking Redevelopment Taxes which were never voted upon by the people and it has become a billion dollar business nowrr,ather than a few local improvements." Councilman.Hunter "a couple of questions for Councilman Taylor, but as he was just talking, one point or one taxing pro- blem that I would like to make a point of.... Mr. Taylor is on the band wagon and justifiably so, he has not been hipocritical at all, he has been that way for four years. We had a year or so ago a sales tax imposed on gasoline which are constitution guarantees us that you cannot have taxes upon taxes. I don't remember Mr. Taylor making reference to that. I have owned property in this City before it was a City and I have gone back through my tax bills and there has been'aonly one year that my taxes dropped and that was last year, and my property has. been Redevelopment Project Area #1 since its cinception. Now I bought the property on October 10, 1959, it has never decreased except one year. The redevelopment has not caused it to decrease and I know that, but my point is that, the County is such an animal that it gobbles up taxes: The only think we can do for Mr. Taylor, which I believe is Mr. Taylor's intent is to do with this, is to stop all from doing and hopefully the State Legisla- ture will do just that, but until that time I feel a committment to the people of Rosemead to get all I can. The County is not going to give me anything just because I'm here, they are not going to stop spending just because I don't like it because I have a conservative attitude. They spend money, give raises, and if you really check their called for services the Supervisors are quick to say that they are on the upswing. This is not neces- arily true. So the fact that we will not take the Redevelopment money and use it, I cannottjustify that in my mind, and I said in the last meeting that I attended that I would like to be popu- lar, and I see a neighbor of mine on the RCCA side and you know good and well that I would like to be on good terms with my neighbor, but the City of Rosemead is a little larger in my feel- ings than my neighbor. So a question for Mr. Taylor. You said 50% of this project are absentee owners and that you could sub- stantiate the same, and that means that 50% of southern Rosemead is owned by absentee landlords. Was that your intent. Councilman Taylor requested drshort recess so the City Clerk or Mr. Dickey could get the general plan for Project Area #1, and said "I believe that there are census maps in there, and the minutes, if the Agency Clerk could get those, I am sure if we go back to the Redevelopment Agency minutes I am sure we could refer to those." Councilman Hunter stated "that this would only prolong the meeting and I think that lightning might change one of us up here but I doubt it and I see no reason to prolong this now, and I would hope Mr. Taylor will have this information as I will ask for it again. Councilman Taylor stated "I do have this information and I am not concerned with providing it." Councilwoman Trujillo stated that "we have been sitting here for approximately 20 minutes and listening to the discussion on the pros and cons of increment financing which is really not the issue before use. The motion is based on the ordinance which will approve bond allocation pursuant to voter approval, and being that this is an adjd'uned special meeting that is all we should be concerned with in the discussion. -SCM 1-20-78 Page #4 Councilman Taylor stated "there has to be a I believe everything I have referred to is related to this $9,930,000 and that $9.000p00 will become part of the liability the $21,000,000 interest is carrying this for the minimum of 10 or 31 years and $30,000,000 if carried to the maturity of the bond which is a 25 year maturity date. I believe it is all relevant and the only reason I was really bringing it forward is that these people, most of them were here, and I was only bringing it as a courtesy to explain why I feel so strongly about it. As far as effecting the City of Rosemead, one.of the most=important things in it, right now, we are only one year away from paying off the existing bonds of $4,500,000. Next year we would get approximately $1,500,000 in tax increment money. That would pay off all of the bonds that were sold before. Thereby cutting the project liability down. Where right now its on the books for another 40 years, it is on, the plan to be there 45 years. If the bonds are sold it projects it for another 12 years. Whether I'm on the Council or yourself or anyother member, it's out of their hands. I wasn't on this Council when the bonds were sold, you weren't on it. I wasn't on the separate redevelopment Agency which starting acquiring the land,neither were you or Mr. Hunter or Mrs. Trujillo. The point is that as every two year shift that goes about somebody else gets in with another vote and then perpetuates this thing. Say, the bonds are sold then who ever gets on for the eight to twelve years they are locked into it there is nothing that they can do because the bonds have the first guarantee and that is the other detriment to it, for the next 10 to 12 years the Council cannot change it because the liability is still there. Mayor Imperial stated "I can certainly can appreciate your concern on my being brought up to date and as -far as Councilwoman Trujillo 's remarks I---do think all this conversation is all rele- vent and my opinion I'll project my opinion is that there are many misgivings about redevelopment. I've had it thrown at me in the last few days by a few people who have tried to make life unbearable and miserable for me as well as my,,family that I said when I ran for election that I would not go for redevelopment on the contrary; my stand and some of the people know it, that I said that I was neither for or against redevelopment and I said that in every program there is some good and some bad and I would never go for tearing up whole blocks of homes and on the other hand we are not stealing anyones homes or tearing those homes up, we talking about fixing curbs and gutters and streets. Council- man Taylor admitted tonight that regardless if we fix our curbs and gutters and streets, we are going to pay for what someone else does for making their City beautiful. In the long run our City will be going down hill and everyone else's city will be getting better, We have a problem here in this City which is primarily what happened to the City of E1 Monte people in the area started looking at what there area was coming to be and you had some very good outstanding citizens in those communities just pick up and moved out. In turn there was a lesser caliber of person that moved in, and what you have right now in accordance with what the last newspaper report said was a city that has no other way to go but down, is in a state of deterioration so badly that it will be a low income community without a doubt.within the very near future. I have been asked why does it have to be this way, do you think installing curbs and gutters will improve the City. I think it will instill pride and it will do something to help. Let's reverse our position a little bit. Let's go back to 4 years ago. When an organization decided that things were not going right in the City of Rosemead, they decided at that time to do something about it, I can certainly understand and appreciate their feelings because they were talking about whole rows of houses that were going to be torn up. That's not the case any more. We had a 3-2 vote on this council because of an election and a recall. For a period of 2 years, absolutely nothing happened in this community and didn't start to happen until the last 2 years. If something doesn't happen pretty soon we are going back to where we_.wereubefore'.)e'_When I ran for office I made a promise to the people that supported me, that I would help bring this City back to where it was. I would try to make rational decisions, hopefully, with the input of the people that supported me and whether they agreed with me in my stand, I was going to do the best of my ability. I've done this. With some of the problems that we have had in this SCM 1-20-78 Page 45 City where we could have used citizen input there was no help. At least, I didn't find it. I'm not complaining, I have spent Saturdays and Sundays and nights doing my homework, very lonely but trying to get my work done and trying to my best for the City and all of a sudden comes a nastyyword 'redevelopment' and because of what had happened before a lot of minds closed off to it. Now we are coming up with a resolution to put it on the ballot and Councilman Taylor had said that the people are being bushwacked and are having it pushed down their throat. I have asked fbrta slide presentation and for these presenta- tionsobe given in all areas of Rosemead and to all types of or- ganizations to try to off-set this thing that we are trying to shove it down their throat'.. Now we turn around if they don't know what is happening to them as he has said, we try to put something on the ballot for March 7th where there is no chance or time to organize something and tell these people what it is all about. What I am saying, because one person or one group might be against redevelopment bonds that might do some good for this City in that aspect, he is willing to put it on the ballot where in all indication it would be voted down because of a lack of understanding. I dont see where that's fair either because that is contrary to what he is trying to say in the beginning." Councilman Taylor requested clarification regarding the statement that nothing has happened in the last twat years or the first two years. Mayor Imperial stated "in the first two years the admini- stration of the powerful three and that's what I'll call it they were voted in by an organization. Nothing happened in this City. People were sitting on their hands indtheeRedevelopment Agency and because some members of the powerful three decided to do something for the city they were highly crucified.in the minds of a lot of people. That's what I'm saying. Nothing happened in this city in my opinion until the last two years." Councilman Taylor stated "think back to the first year to the rule of the three councilmembers. During that first year it was three on the other side 'pro redevelopment' so keep in mind that the first 14 months of that wasn't us:: Do you agree on that. "I would concede to that, Mr. Taylor, stated Mayor Imperial, if you would concede to the fact that the City Hall, Community Center, and this nice patio and beautification project were done prior to the time those three went on the Council and will tell me of all the improvements we have had since that time for the first two. years," Councilman Taylor "You did say you would agree that we did not have control for the first 14 months.:The City Hall was built in 1968 or 1969 and is a fine building and a fine munici- pal improvement and I give credit to the Council's that put that together. The Community Center, you are probably not aware of some of the tactics that have gone on for the community center. That was documented and exposed and corrected through some of the... redevelopment can take people property and use the law but I'll say there was some questionable transactions. Like take the 65 year old widow and buy a large piece of property from that widow and everyone talks about doing good for the elderly people who have to pay taxes and have their burdens, and find out how the property had been acquired from these elderly people that used to live where the Community Center is. When I found out that was going on, that was my challenge against that, not the Community Center, but these elderly.people were reimbur"sed after it was exposed. I was not against the building. You conceeded that the first 14 month werwere not in control. We were having such a roughttime that a lot of time was taken up to the point where we could get nothing done. We were a couple of new kids on the block and a recall was brought about by the same people that you acuse or ridicule or put them in an awkward position where they are not first ranking citizens, but the other people are not here and they do not take an interest in our meetings. SCM 1-20-78 Page #6 Mayor Imperial "Mr. Taylor, I did not say that they were second class citizens, I know some of the RCCA and I think they are outstanding people. What has been told to them and what they know is one thing, but I am not ridiculing them. I have grown quite fond of quite a few of them. Councilman Hunter "as much as it hurts me to agree with Councilwoman Trujillo this is out of order,'we have come to discuss andtvote on three items. Let's get on with it please." Councilman Taylor "Mr. Mayor you gave your opinion on the bond sale and I have listed them here and I was trying to talk back on those items. You mentioned the City going down hill. It is interesting to read the official statement of that bond sale. It is unbelievable if you read what they are saying in there has to be a total lie because they are talking about the progress in the City of Rosemead. They are talking about the increased value.ofThey list the home improvements going on and tell everything that is going on in Rosemead. K-Mart left be- cause they did not want to be the first one on the block but they came back because they were given new information and they said wait a minute we didn't get all this information the first time. They are coming back to Rosemead because it does have a good potential. That bond, I believe list from 1970, showing the sales tax, the business improvements going in and Project Area #1 has an increased.... there is $55,000,000 worth of im- provements listed in that official statement. Not one of those not a single one of those was under redevelopment. The only redevelopment project down there is Garvey and San Gabriel, and hopefully K-Mart will go in there." Mayor Imperial "Councilman Taylor do you recall why K-Mart in the third phase turned thumbs down in project area #1?" Councilman Taylor"It had to go through 4 phases and it cleared two here and then it went back east and then they sent us a form that stated they did not want to.be the first ones to move in an area when they could not see the street improvements going on and the second confirmation now that they are interested again they see that San Gabriel Boulevard is being improved." Mayor Imperial "Do you recall why in the third phase our efforts to get K-Marti in Project Area #1 were turned down. Were they not because there was a drive through of the area, and they felt that it would be a very poor investment because of that drive through. Wasn't that one of the basic reasons? Councilman Taylor "That was, one of their statements." Mayor Imperial "that was what I wanted to hear" Councilman Taylor "everything is not perfect, there is al- ways going to be old homes, people get older, and people,-Ic are born and new:ahomes are built and that's part of a cycle. Keep in mind why did they come back. Why did they come back if that was their true stance. Nothing has really changed in that three month period." Mayor Imperial "except for one heck of an effort.on the part of this City and the possibility of a giant,the biggest in California and maybe the country, shopping center going in Montebello that will overlap in the City of Rosemead." Councilman Taylor "Keeptin mind that the shopping mall tends to kill small outlying individual stores. I had a friend over last night, who was going into the LaMirada Mall and they are looking for a store for $50,000 as an example , they had a store outlying two blocks away from the Mall where they are with one store, but they were losing their business to the mall, the big shopping center that was just built. Case in point, that big Montebelloi,shopping center will tend to draw people from the southern part of the City and yet they are saying that they are coming back to look at it now. I believe that San Gabriel Blvd. is a worthwhile improvement. sCM 1-20-78 Page #7 That is something that has been going on for several years, and I can say that I was a part of getting San Gabriel Boule- vard improvement about. Could you agree with that? Mayor Imperial "you sat here in the meetings, I can agree with that" Councilman Taylor "Can you tell how many times I have pushed that and pursued it, prior to the last two years?"It is one im- provement that this Council has done as a body, but I can guarantee you that there has been a lot of pushing done to get the information to the Council and the biggest draw-back we had was getting the funding for it. All that information is in the Agendas, through the County, the Federal Urban Highway Funds. That was the biggest drawback, but as far as this City going down hill, the official statement is either lying to the Bond buyers or maybe we are both confused on it. It does talk about the good growth in Rosemead. I am not saying that there are not problems. There definitely are." Mayor Imperial stated "Let's not say it is a lie, let us equate it as a resume that-you might put in that you toot your own horn". Councilman Taylor "That's it exactly we are tooting our horns to sell bonds and it is not valid. I would like to think it is valid. We had a due diligence meeting that was held by our City Attorney and City Manager saying that what is in there is true. They had to go through it line by line. I have that here also listing'the due diligence meeting because I wanted to make sure that was checked out. So I would like to believe that this is true, and they didn't mislead the people. Curbs,and gutters don't change the people as a rule. I have been in cities that they have put in curbs and gutters and the people themselves still have their problems and their burdens. We are nbtlehale lenging the improvements. I have said.that every member on this Council wants that. It is not going to guarantee that it will change the occupants there." Councilman Hunter stated than"a lot of interesting points have been made by yourself and Mr. Taylor and I would suggest that this Council., all five of us hold-a press conference and invite the press and break out some of these tapes and some of the things that have been said and some of the people that have been blamed for them. Case in point, there isn't a person sitting here tonight.that can take credit for San Gabriel Boulevard, it goes back to a previous council, I can prove that point. It's not even part of tonight's agenda. You talk about horn tooting. That's all that I've heard. We can do one of two things. We can get down to this item and vote on it, you can call a recess and let everyone cool down or in a few minutes I'm going to excuse myself. Now, one lady accused me of being arrogant"-for walking out and she's in here. I believe madame that I have given all I can stand and if I'm brassy that's the way it's going to be very shortly." Mayor Imperial stated that "the reason this chair has al- lowed this conversation is because I think this conversation without allowing it.would be a one sided street. P just feel that these people in this audience had the courage to come out to listen to this and I think we should tell them what I feel are facts on an individual basis." Councilman Hunter stated "I would agree with you buttfor the exception of one of two they have all heard it fifteen times." Councilman Taylor "one thing about it they still have an interest, they still come back 15 times later they come back to find out what is going on." There is reference made to nothing being done, also in the minutes when you get a chance to read those, during the past year I have brought up the bonds and the resolutions trying to put it on the ballotoor rescind the bond. II t."s'in.those:minutes. There is one, two, three,four,five,six, seven;'eight;"nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen times since March 28, 1977. This probably makes the fifteenth time. SCM 1-20-78 Page #8 There was always the delaying tactic that we need a study session, let's get more information on it then we can put it on the ballot. The reason I pursued it so hard now there was no time left. Today is the deadline. So the fact that the Council or the Agency would not act on it, I'm sorry to see that it got down this far. I would have hoped there would have been study session that Mr. Hunter referred to. There was all kinds of opportunities for this, but nobody wanted it then." Mayor Imperial stated "I myself am glad that we had 15 meetings on this thing, if that what it is, because up to tonight the people had not heard that if they had the curbs and gutters or not they would have to pay for them anyway. I understood that Councilman Hunter requested a break." Councilman Hunter stated that he would like a five minute break. Council reconvened. MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN TRUJILLO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that Ordinance No. 469 be approved as to form. Vote resulted: AYES: Councilmembers Taylor and Trujillo NAYES: Councilmembers Hunter and Imperial The vote being two to two is,as if there was no action taken at all, and Mr. Dickey stated that "he didn't believe there were any other action to be taken at this time." Councilman Taylor stated " I disagree, there is another item that we can act upon, and that is Ordinance No. 468. City Attorney Wallin read the title of Ordinance No. 468 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD REQUIRING VOTER APPROVAL FOR, THE ISSUANCE OF ALL TAX ALLOCATION BONDS MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN TRUJILLO. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR that the Ordinance No. 468 be approved as to form. Councilman Taylor stated 'rlssfihd myself in an extremely awkward position at this time in the sense that this country, which we all have to believe in, do believe in, and freely believe in, you yourself work for our government, we all work for it, not you individually, but you are trully are, you enlist or work with the enlisting of young men to serve this country, to defend this country, and many of them died for this country; and something of this nature has never come before Rosemead. Millions of dollars, we know for a facttthat the people do want to participate in it, they have certainly not been here saying "No we don't want to vote", very few, I can't even name one-person that says, "No we don't want to vote on something like this", and they say, "Well we'll let somebody else do it',' or they may have a lot of apathy, but a great majority of them on my political side, your political side, Mr. Hunter's possibly, Mrs. Trujillo, they do say, "Yes we do want to participate", and I feel that this is why I say I'm at an extremely awkward position. Young people that believe in this country, we tell them its a democracy, and they can vote and thats all were trying to do here,we can have those improvements. But the fact that we try to put this to the people, is to let them participate and to show our faith to the young people that you deal with, and the fact that last year there was a Resolution, that we put flags all up and down Garvey Boulevard, on all the light stan- dards there, 12, 14 days of the year, let those flags wave, yet the majority of the citizens of this Community have voiced their opinions; they do want to vote, and thats why I feel so strongly about it. Thats all I have right now.". Mayor ProeTem!IMp erial:,^o"Isvythere-anycfur.ther.comment" Councilman Hunter, " wait a second Mr. Mayor, I've asked the City Attorney to research something for me. SCM 1-20-78 Page #9 r 1 "I've asked the City Attorney, now Mr. Taylor just made a presentation on voting. I really don't have a problem with that, if he's willing to redraft this to an advisatory election for the intent. Now he said on several occasions that he's been locked in by past Councils, he.is in fact trying to lock in future Councils. I don't think he has that right. Now if he's willing.to put it to the voters in advisatory capacity, which I will abide by, and the City Attorney says that if we will recess for about an hour, so that he can draw such a document, we can, legally act on such a document, then I would move it, but want assurance by the four that are sitting here, at least three, that if we adjourn for an hour, and the City Attorney can successfully draw that type of document, which would allow it to go on the ballot in advisatory manner; then I would vote'in the positive for that. , Councilman Taylor, "Mr. Mayor, would you be willing to abide by that advisory vote". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, ":I certainly would. I want to make it very clear, Councilman Taylor, that I have no problem with these bonds what so ever, I have no problem of what they'll do for the City. I think there have been a lot of misconceptions projected about them. But I have also no problem with an advisory election, none at all. My problem is the way that things have been done. Councilman Taylor, "I contend to agree". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial,. "I have no problems Councilman Taylor to answer your question". Councilwoman Trujillo, "I have no problems with an advisory referendum and I feel that anyone who.is elected to office would respect that mandate even though it is put under the title of advisory. I think that most elected officials would abide by the will of the people. I have no problems". Councilman Hunter, "Mr..Mayor, I believe we are all in agree- ment and I would like to pass this along. In the last 30 days it has been common knowledge around City Hall that Mr. Taylor wanted a mandatory type and that was one of my reasons for standing the way I did against it which I voiced several reasons that I still stand behind in the past. Now that is three of us that agree that we could do it in this manner. If that is so, I would ask the Mayor to instruct the City Attorney to draw up such a document and recess this meeting for one hour Councilman Taylor, "Mr. Mayor as a point of information. If it can be shown that an advisory vote can be declared illegal or misuse of funds,would you and Mr. Hunter go for a mandatory vote?" Councilman Hunter, "I'll answer on that one, `no' because I think the City Attorney could turn around and make a lot of things illegal in his opinion and as you pointed out Mr. Taylor, I come tonight as I told you at a great cost to myself. I really thought that Mr. Imperial was locked out of town, I know Cichy is out of town and I was willing to give this to you on a two one vote. That is why I am here and I am trying again to give you what you say you want. Now, if you want it, fine. If you just want a platform to compaign for, say so and we will set here all night. Now I think we can let the people vote on this. I most certainly will abide by it. I think anybody in their right mind would':. Councilman Taylor, "Mr. Mayor, I tend.to agree with both of you, all three of you, I guess that's what politics is all about if some concessions as far as well what will be best for the City, but I would like to have again, so nobody misunderstands everybody can,. review back and read it that the meeting be verbatim-and there will be no misunderstandings. Everybody, all four of us, tend to agree that we will abide by the advisory vote. Now, that's find with me, I think we are getting to an agreement somewhere, but keep ini:mind are you aware of the City Attorney's opinions on advisory votes to this City that are already on file?" SCM 1-20-78 Page #10 • • Councilman Hunter, "Well, Mr. Mayor, he does have a point. Let's ask the City Attorney that is here tonight". Councilman Taylor, "No, they're not yours Pete" Attorney Wallin, "O.K. There was a case about five years ago involving the City of San Francisco in an advisory referendum on the war in Vietnam. Th!!~Supreme Court held that that was a proper issue to be on the ballot and was not a gift to public funds. I don't think there has been much of a dispute since that time concerning gifts of public funds. I will do the.research on that during the next hour. I might suggest we do have until tomorrow to put this on the ballot, is that correct? It may be better to continue this meeting to tomorrow . Councilman Hunter, "I would object to that. I informed Mr. Taylor of my reasons for out of town, they'are very valid. I am leaving this meeting to go to Anaheim to a convention now" Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "I.would also.object to it Councilman Taylor because I just want to get this thing on its way". Councilman Hunter, "Mr. Mayor, I think we can settle this" Councilwoman Trujillo, "One question before 'we temporarily adjourn. Now, of the City Attorney. After you redraft this and present it to us it is voted on, if it is voted by the majority in the positive, would that have an effect on the present issue at hand which is the bond issue we have been discussing all evening?" City Attorney Wallin, "The present ordin..anc_e wfiich-,,wil'l be drafted into.an advisory measure deals with any tax allocation bond issue and the subject matter would certainly address the proposed bond issue of the.Redevelopment Agency, but it is an advisory election". Councilman Taylor, "I tend to agree to go along with the advisory vote and if it takes an hour recess- that is the alternative we got now, so if you want to call that recess I have no objection". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "There is a motion on the floor - let meCea.se, your mind a little bit Councilman Taylor. That if the people in this community with an advisory vote gave an open mandate to this council, if they did not want these bonds, then I would be big enough myself and I'll talk for myself to stand up and say I don't agree with you, I thi\k you're wrong, but if that's what you want that is the way I.am going to vote, and I think any decent council person would do the same thing so this goes without saying Councilman Taylor". Councilman Taylor, "I appreciate that Mr. Mayor" Councilman Hunter, "I"'j'ust.--w'ould like to bring up one point. I said earlier I would abide by the majority vote. Now just to pour a little water on it, let's bear in mind at this point and time there is about 14,000 registered voters in this City: We serve approximately 45,000 people. Now I have agreed to go by the majority of the vote, that does not mean that.I will be serving the majority of the people, but I will abide by it. I want this in the record so at a later date the ones that are here have agreed'sags.,tha£`• well that's not a majority of Rosemead. There is not a'person`here that was elected by a majority of,this City. Not,.one of us! There hasn't been a Councilman since the second election in this City that was elected by a majority. Most of us are kicked in and out of office by a very small group and that is unfortunate, but that's the way it is. I'm ready for the recess Mr. Mayor". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "At this time I will call a one hour recess until such time the City Attorney can draw up the necessary papers. COUNCIL RECESSED COUNCIL RECONVENED SCM 1-20-78 Page #11 A" ' Mayor Pro-Tern Imperial, "Motion and a second on the floor"? Councilman Taylor, "That particular item was on the other resolution that caused the recess. I think we need to correct that. Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "The reason I stated there was a motion a second on the floor Councilman Taylor is because the maker df the motion would have to agree to withdraw and the second". Councilwoman Trujillo, "Yes, I agree to withdraw my motion". Councilman Taylor, "Second.agree? Fine','. Councilman Hunter, "Would like to make a motion to reconsider Item 1'g? Mayor Pro-'Tem Imperial, "There is a motion on the floor to' reconsider Item 1. Is there a second?" Councilwoman Trujillo, "Second". Mayor Pro-Tern Imperial, "It has been readily moved and seconded - any comments?" Councilman Taylor, "I think as far as the comments go before the vote would take pl'ace5on this, I think we should have the resolution read and have the City Attorney's review of what was actually revised in it". " City Attorney Wallin, "First, we have the motion to reconsider and then we have the actual resolution readily"moved and second to reconsider Item 1 - if there are no further comments would you vote"'-' please". MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HUNTER, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN TRUJILLO that Item #1 be reconsidered -,Vote resulted: UPON ROLL CALL ALL COUNCILMEMBERS PRESENT~,VO TED AYE. The Mayor Pro-Tem declared said motion carried and so ordered. Mayor-Pro-Tern Imperial, "Would the City Attorney please read the resolution". City Attorney Wallin, "Item 1 isn''.jn_-thee- agenda. for.- the --cons iderati"on s of Ordinfancez'No:'469 consenting to Bond snu- - ance of`certain public improvements. That particular measure has been rewritten as follows: An advisory measure of the city of Rosemead for approval of issuance of $9,930,000 of tax allocation bonds by the Rosemead Redevelopment Agency. Each member of the Council is provided with a copy of the ordinance amended to become an advisory measure. In operative language let me read this: 11 1 'Now, therefore, the people of the City of Rosemead do pro- pose as follows:' "It is the sense and advice of the people of the City of Rosemead that the City Council should grant its consent to the issuance of $9,930,000 of tax allocation bonds by the Rosemead Redevelopment Agency. Section 2 this measure shall be advisory in nature only pursuant to the provisions of Section 5353 of the California Elections Code". Let me point out that a question was raised concerning gifts of public funds and whether the City can put such a measure. Section 5353 was, added in 1976 to the Elections Code, specifically provi- ding the City can have a regularly scheduled election and get the advice and consent of the voters on any such matter and when it is advisory to insert the language advisory vote only on. the ballot. A motion would be in order to approve as to form the advisory measure. SCM 1-20-78 Page #12 Councilman. Taylor, "I would like to have the City Attorney read the short statute that it now allows this if you will please. The Section 5353..": City Attorney Wallin, "Each City and County; Each City County City and County and District may hold at their discretion an advisory election and consolidation with scheduled elections of the City, County, etc., for the purpose of allowing voters within the respective jurisdiction to voice their opinion on substance of issues or to indicate to 'the local legislative body approval or disapproval of the ballot proposal.- An advisory vote will be indicated as such on the ballot as a heading above the ballot proposal and by only the following description: Advisory Vote-Only As used in this section Advisory Vote means an indication of general voter opinion regarding the ballot proposal. The results of the advisory vote will in no matter be controlling on the sponsoring legislative body'-'. Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "Do I have a motion"? Councilwoman Trujillo, "I will move it". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "Is there a second"? Councilwoman Trujillo, "Move it as to form". Councilman Hunter, "Second". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "IS there any discussion"? Would you vote please". r-MOTZOROBY-COUNCILW.OMANNTRUJI=LLO,-SECONDED BYTCOUNCILMAN. HUNTER ~Tthat.zan°advisory_.measureoofnthe.aC.,ityaTof-Rosemead:_,for,approval-_of_ ,issuance ofi$9-;_9301-0004'of;tax~illoca.tiori.bon'ds,.bycthe Rosemeadn: Redevelopment Agency._JVOte_res.ulted~: ..z unc ilca,cUPON ROLL CALK-ALL COUNCI LMEMBERS"P RESENT VOTED AYE.,--. Th'e'Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. City Attorney Wallin, "Item #2 is Resolution #78-6 Resolution of the City Council of the City of Rosemead, California ordering pursuan'te.to elections Code Section 5353 submission to the qualified voters of said City at the General Municipal Election to be held in said City on March 7, 1978 and advisory proposal relating to. issuance.of $9,930,000 tax allocation bonds. The resolutions go through the necessary naurish ghidts to put this advisory measure approved as to form on the ballot. The ballot itself as set forth in Section 4 will read heading, 'Advisory Vote Only'. Shall the proposal for issuance of $9,930,000 of tax allocation bonds by the Rosemead Redevelopment Agency be approved. The motion would be in order to adopt Resolution #78-6". ` Councilman Hunter, "I move it, Mr. Mayor". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "IS'there a second"? Councilwoman Trujillo, "Second". Mayor.Pro-Tem Imperial, "Any discussion"? Councilman Taylor, "Yes, Mr. Mayor"'.excuse me Mrs. Trujillo" Councilman Taylor, "Did-Mrs. Trujillo have a question"? .Councilwoman Trujillo,."I just wanted to broach a question to the rest of the Council as to-the date that is stipulated in the resolution. I'd like to know for my own benefit whether any Council member feels strongly that to hold this election on such an important issue would be-fair to the voters as far as the March 7th deadline which is seven weeks away, or whether it is something that we'should consider for the June ballot. I would just like to get the feeling of the re6'e of the council on this", SCM 1-20-78 Page #13 Councilman Taylor, "I may respond to that, I think it is the ideal time. By that I mean that it is strictly Rosemead. They are" going to'see the bond issue and it is entirely Rosemead. They're not going to have the State Offices, the County Offices, the Jarvis Amendment, they're not"going to have anything else but what do we think about Rosemead. I think it is highly appropriate that it go on now rather than at a later date". Councilman Hunter, "I agree with that Mr. Mayor" Councilwoman Trujillo, "Yes, that's all". v. ~ Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "My feelings are on this bit, we are not giving the voters of this City ample time, but I'll go along with the majority of the Council. I have no problems with it. That wasmy big problem to begin with, March 7. I'd rather had it on the June ballot.-;That just means that we will have to get out and work a little harder to get this projected to the people",. Councilman Taylor, "I-do have one question here in regards to 5353 - It states, 'Each City, County, City and County and District may hold at their discretion an Advisory Election;: I'd like to hear from the City Attorney on this Advisory Vote it states, ',Shall the proposal for issuance of $9,930,000 of tax allocation bond's by the Redevelopment Agency be approved. Again I want to get a clear opinion in the. sense that we are speaking Redevelopment Agency now rather than shall the City Council approve the issuance of the bonds,by the Redevelopment Agency". There is a clear distinction there the Redevelopment Agency.can-kinda act on its own, but yet -the)' law now states that the City Council must concur with that action and that's why I ask the question it does not say anything in here about the.City Council approval. Do you understand what I am trying to say, Pete,f? CictpiAtt'.torney .Wa11in.,'1"-It,,was1 intention2aal~le The' advisory-measure speY=l.s wut tthaaltthe=Cit,y.:)'Counci}l3_has torapproveit,-and'-stat'e`srto the --&op.le:)Iof th'e 1Ckty ,-o`f Rosemeadacthatttthe Coun'c'il shall,g'rant1ri`is consent ,.to 30`O~0- In ---In "order tooys`h'=orten trh~artt°throu`ghthe Ib:allo1:1st!ate'ment7; "'shalh tlbe `approve2mean's b-ythe City Council. You 6ou-d add,~afte-r `th-e~th-e.-lan'gu'age °bye.the.'C1ity.Cou-nci-1 `bu'f'-it '.jmayabei+athitkt'leficon°fus'irng=ron !the1btallyot;C, Councilman Taylor, You understand my reasoning for -it though"'? - The agency is a separate entity an administrative body of the State policy. Is that correct?" City Attorney Wallin, "Yes" Councilman Taylor, "And my understanding is that the Council action is what is subject to the voter approval. The agency does not have to have voter approval at all;; Is that correct"? City Attorney Wallin, "The City Council is putting this measure on the ballot,.not the agency, and it is asking voters whether it as the Council should approve the agency action, the agency proposal. I think for the balance statement it is stated correctly. Shall the Agency's bond issue be approved? If we stuck in additional language there concerning the City Council I think it might be a little bit confusing. I'll spell it out in`depn therresol_ution~?-. Councilman Taylor, "That's fine, I can accept that. Mayor Pro`-,Tem Imperial, "Any further discussion"? Councilwoman Trujillo, "Call for the question" Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "Will you vote please, There is a motion on the floor and a second. The question has-been called for, would you vote please"'. SCM 1-20-78 Page #14 The following Resolution No. 78-6 was. presented for adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 78-6 A RESOLUTION OF~THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD, CALIFORNIA, ORDERING,~PURSUANT TO ELECTIONS CODE #5353 THE SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF SAID CITY AT THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID CITY ON MARCH 7, 1978, AN ADVISORY PROPOSAL RELATING TO ISSUANCE OF $9,930,000 TAX ALLOCATION BONDS' MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN TRUJILLO THAT RESOLUTION NO. 78-6 BE ADOPTED. VOTE RESULTED 1~_1~11_ UPON IROLL;CALL ALLCOUNCILMEMBE RS PRESENT VOTED AYE The Mayor Pro-Tem declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. #3 Councilman Taylor, "The other item I felt was still appropriate in the sense that this - I'd like to make the point that we had $15,000,000 for authority to issue the first time around. 3.42 million was sold without voter approval and this 9.9 million dollars now could have so been done, but we still have the other $1,700,000 that is available and that was the reason for the other advisory vote. We could possibly come back with,another proposal different than this and I believe that one could automatically go through also. That's why this was requested so it covers the possibility of another issue being sold. It is still acceptable to the Advisory Vote on that also as its drawn up. Any other comment". Councilman Hunter, "I~don't agree in the beginning when I made the proposal I asked for the Council what their feelings were on an Advisory Election that each of us bound ourself with our word. That's really all we found ourself with.. Mr. Taylor has made point, after point, after point, of his hands being tied. Now, Mr. Taylor, -I think you have got most everything you. wanted tonight or at least what's fair. There, again, you're trying to tie the hands again when you agreed an hour and a half ago.' O.K. that's the way we'll go, we'll try it and the four of us have.said we will abide by the election". Councilman Taylor, "We were getting to the point, we were actually handling Item #3 which is the very item right now"that Mr. Hunter asked to put.it on an Advisory Issue, and I,,feel that it is very appropriate that it stay that way, and I would feel bound the same way for this Advisory Vote". Councilwoman Trujillo, "Before we continue the discussion, perhaps we should have the City Attorney read the resolution". City Attorney Wallin, "Item #3 is a combined Advisory measure entitled: '!/AN ADVISORY MEASURE OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD FOR PRIOR VOTER APPROVAL OF TAX ALLOCATION BOND.ISSUANCE BY THE ROSEMEAD REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY' which as with the presious measure provides consent and advice of the people of the City of Rosemead. That the City Council shall grant its consent to the issuance by the Rosemead Redevelopment Agency any tax allocation bonds only by ordinance such ordinance'shall not become effective until submitted to and approved by a majority of the voters casting votes in an election to approve such ordinance. And again this measure shall be advisory in nature only. Resolution #78-7 would set forth would have the City Council instruct that this advisory measure be placed on the March 7th ballot. The ballot designation would be, "Shall the proposal for prior voter approval of tax allocation bond issuance by the Rosemead Redevelopment Agency be approved". The heading of the resolution is:' ?H E. .SHE AL: v U. SCM 1 20-78 -Page _ It RESOLUTION NO. 78-7 'A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE. CITY OF ROSEMEAD, CALIFORNIA ORDERING, PURSUANT TO ELECTIONS CODE.#5353, THE SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF SAID CITY AT THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID CITY ON MARCH 7, 1978, AN ADVISORY PROPOSAL RELATING TO VOTER APPROVAL OF TAX ALLOCATION BONDS.'" Councilman Taylor, "I have one question with regards to the Advisory vote only, the ballot insert word,,states, SHALLr-THEVPROFOSAf FOR ISSUANCE OF $9,930,000 OF TAX ALLOCATION BONDS BY THE ROSEMEAD REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BE APPROVED. "Priori`. has been inserted there instead of simply saying, "Shall the proposal for voter approval of tax allocation bond issuances by the Rosemead Redevelopment Agency be approved." Can I have an explanation on that 'prior,' or can we strike that'."? City Attorney Wallin, "I have no objection to striking that. It also appears in the advisory measure itself. The thrust of the advisory measure is that you submit an ordinance to the people prior to approving it". Councilman,Taylor, "Mr. mayor that is already an assumed fact in order to comply with this resolution. It says, 'Shall' the proposal for voter approval of tax allocation bond issuance by the RosemeadRedevelopment Agency be approved'. And the proposal is that before they are issued they are to go to the.pe"ople rather than this prior-voter approval'.,; I don't feel comfortable with that "prior" in there, but it says the same thing with taking it out Councilman Hunter, "I believe the fact that we are trying to get this violates the good faith that the four ~o'f,us had when we recessed this meeting so it could be drawn, and I think if we could play the tapes it is very clear of the intent and Mr. Taylor questioned then would each of us abide by it. That is a public record for ever and ever if they can hang on to the tape. You know I really think Mr. Taylor is violating the good faith of two hours ago, I'll vote 'no' on it if you're ready for the question, let's go". Councilman Taylor, I'd like to find out from the City Attorney why that 'prior' was added in there". City Attorney Wallin, "I was just editing, I was rewriting it from an ordinance into an advisory measure and I thought the word 'prior' explained it better. There is no real reason why it should be in there",'. Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "Does that satisfy Councilman Taylor's anxieties". Councilman Taylor, "Would you object to removing it Mr. Mayor?" Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "I have no problems with it so I don't - you know - I think we are all acting in good faith like Councilman Hunter has said, and what we are doing is we're building another turmoil over here for what? Councilman Taylor, if it will make you feel better I'll have this retyped on pink paper and assure you we are in good hands with Allstate. Can we vote on it now please"? Councilman Taylor, "Will we remove 'prior'?" City Attorney Wallin, "There is no motion on the floor". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "DO I have a motion"? SCM 1-20-78 Page #16 Councilman Hunter, "Well, let the motion be made" Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "IS,there a motion"? Councilwoman Trujillo, "I made a motion". Mayor Pro-Tem"Imperial, "IS there a second"? Councilman Taylror, "I feel that I have to second it, I would second it Mr. Mayor". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "It has been readily moved and second. Any comment"? Councilman Hunter, "Yes, Mr. Mayor" City Attorney Wallin, "May I get a clarification. I assumed that this motion is to approve the advisory measure as to form Councilwoman Trujillo, "Yes, it is". Councilman Hunter, "Does it also approve that any bonding of future Councils would have to go back to the public"? Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "No, it does not, that is not the intention"',. Councilman Hunter, "I don't agree with that I am asking the City Attorney,, City Attorney Wallin, "It provides in a sense of the people of Rosemead that any future bonds would have to go back to the public'.'. Councilman Hunter, "That is exactly what I thought. So in fact. Mr. Taylor is viol•ating,an agreement some hour and 45 minutes ago now". r Councilman Taylor, "Would you clarify that again Mr. Attorney" City Attorney Wallin, "It provides in a sense of the people that any future tax allocation bonds would be submitted to a vote of the people. It is not binding, but it is an advisory". Councilman Taylor, "The point was that I mentioned there was still $1,750,000. The prior resolution was strictly for that one item, was it not? The way it was drawn up Mr. Attorney was that it only applies to that particular project.''. City Attorney Wallin, "The resolution just adopted applies only to the'$9,930,000 bond issue, 'right'"? Councilman Taylor, "So another resolution could be submitted, could it not? For some other item"? City Attorney Wallin, "We are not in the 21st yet". Councilman Taylor, "Oh, O.K. No, but seriously though" Councilman Hunter, "Only 45 more minutes and that can't happen Mr. Taylor". Councilman Taylor, "But seriously though, the resolution only applies to the one issue does it not"? The 'prior' one we just acted on. Yes.'This one here would cover an additional type'; City Attorney Wallin, "This would cover any conceivable future tax allocation bond of the Rosemead Redevelopment Agency. Be it a $20 bond, 20,000,000 bond, be it for land acquisition, be it for streets, be it for anything". SCM 1-20-78 Page #17 Councilman Taylor, "That was the reason why I asked that it be submitted also as*an advisory vote". Councilwoman Trujillo, "DO we have a motion on the floor"? Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "Are you calling for a question"? Councilwoman Trujillo, "Yes". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "Question has been called for". Councilwoman Trujillo, "Mr. Mayor, May I make a.motion to adjourn"? Councilman Hunter, "I'll second that". Councilman Taylor, "I would make the motion then that you have to read that resolution, Pete. I would move that we adopt the resolution". Councilwoman Trujillo, "Second it". Mayor Pro-Tem Imperial, "It has been moved and seconded - any comments? Would you vote please". Councilman Hunter, "Just in closing comments - I would hope that the three of you would listen to the tape to the 'prior' it showed me one thing that you people cannot be dealt with honorably. Let's vote". Councilman Taylor, "I have nothing to say. One thing though, we did ask to have the entire meeting verbatim so we can find out what was said". Councilman Hunter, "I insist that it's verbatim" Councilman Taylor, "I agree" RESOLUTION NO. 78-7 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD, CALIFORNIA ORDERING, PURSUANT TO ELECTIONS CODE #5353, THE SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF SAID CITY AT THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO BE HELD IN SAID CITY ON MARCH 7, 1978, AN ADVISORY PROPOSAL RELATING TO. VOTER APPROVAL OF TAX ALLOCATION BONDS MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TAYLOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN TRUJILLO that Resolution No. 78-7 be adopted. Vote resulted: AYES: Councilmembers Imperial, Taylor and Trujillo 'NAYES: Councilmember Hunter Whereupon the Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered. Councilwoman Trujillo, "Adjourn" Councilman Hunter, "Second" The Council Meeting was adjournedaty11:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted: City Clerk-of the -ity of Rosemead SCM 1-20-78 Page .#18