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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING
ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL
AUGUST 9, 2005
The regular meeting of the Rosemead City Council was
called to order by Mayor Imperial at 8:00 p.m. in the
Council Chambers of the City Hall, 8838 E. Valley
Boulevard, Rosemead, California.
The Pledge to the Flag was led by Councilman Tran.
The invocation was delivered by Mayor Pro Tem Taylor.
ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS:
Present: Councilmembers Clark, Nunez, Tran, Mayor
Pro Tem Taylor, and Mayor Imperial.
Absent: None.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: None.
PRESENTATIONS:
I. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
THE FOLLOWING IS VERBATIM:
DOLLY LEONG: Good evening, Mr. Mayor. My name
is Dolly good evening council members. My name is
Dolly Leong, residing at 8455 Mission Drive in Rosemead.
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I come before you to speak about Consolidated
Disposal. I feel that I have exhausted all avenue for
help, not limited to disposal, Consolidated Disposal, as
well as the administration staff of Rosemead.
You heard about Ms. Barbara Murphy :alk about
what Consolidated Disposal did not do in the recent
council meeting. I'm here before you to tell you what
Consolidated Disposal has done to me that hurt me
financially in my mortgage interest rate and so forth.
I have been a Rosemead resident over 30 years.
And I have very good relationship with water and disposal,
very good cooperation with that water and disposal, but
not with Consolidated Disposal. What they did, is that
they sent to a collection agency called Union Adjustment
for a mere $20. These council members all know how those
derogatory statements in your credit report can hurt you
dearly in your mortgage interest rate, and worse still,
you heard about also insurance can be turned down because
of those derogatory statements. A mere $20 on my property
of 8453 Mission Drive, which was occupied by tenants,
different tenants.
We were told my son once used to live there.
One of the staff at Consolidated Disposal said,
"Oh, there's a refund due for Victor."
So we were so happy. How come there be a refund
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due to us and a collection of $20 sent to the collection
agency?
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: I couldn't hear all this
stuff on the (inaudible). What what did what did
you just say, that they told you that they would refund
the money?
DOLLY LEONG: There was a refund due to my son
who occupied that property at one time. And
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: A refund to
DOLLY LEONG: Refund due to my for my son.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Okay.
DOLLY LEONG: So I said, "Good. If there's a
refund due, how come there's a $20 sent to the collections
agency?"
So I came I want to thank Don and also Jan.
They were very, very good to me since 1998. They sent a
trash can.
I said, "I don't need the trash can. We are
using 184 5th Street (sic) as an office to sell to
subdivision. So they took it away, and they still keep
billing me. So I came to coming to Don, again.
Don said, "We'll take care of it."
We did not know from what to what and how this
$20 was sent to the collection agency. I'm sure anybody
in this audience or you, council members, would not let
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this happen, a $20 sent to a collection agency to hurt
your credit score. This is what I came to Jan. I say,
"Jan, who was the" I wrote to the president. They said
my son cannot get a I cannot ask for a refund for my
son, he has to write. That was in November he wrote,
November of 2004. And yet still, there's still a $20 sent
to the collection, it called Union Adjustment.
So, council members, I think Mr. Tran know very
well how this credit score can hurt a transaction, either
a purchase, or worse still, I can't refinance. For a long
term, 30 years, you have to force to get a higher interest
rate. It's not in the thousands, it will be in the tens
of thousands when you refinance a loan for 300 - to 400,000.
I think, Councilmember Clark, I did mention this
to you at the candidate forum in March, and yet it was not
taken care of.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: You were
DOLLY LEONG: I told you
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: (Inaudible) $20?
DOLLY LEONG: I talked to you in March in that
recreation recreation council and the candidate forum.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Yes, obviously, you're
giving me something that I don't (inaudible).
DOLLY LEONG: And I couldn't get any help. I
couldn't get any help, at all.
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: Um, Mrs. Leong, question:
When did this take place?
DOLLY LEONG: Oh, this is very recent. It
was the credit report was dated somewhere May of two
this year.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: So wnen was
DOLLY LEONG: April. April. I'm sorry.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: When was the $20 fee
I'm trying to figure out why the collection agency has a
$20 fee.
What What did they do?
DOLLY LEONG: I do not know. Mr. Taylor,
Councilmember Taylor, I wish I know.
So this is what I'm telling you, anybody can
afford to pay for a $20 not to hurt this is
intentional. And I hear Ms. Murphy talk about what they
did not do. This is what they did to me. And I did not
hear any of these council members mention about replacing
or finding an alternate disposal company that will work
with the residents of the city of Rosemead. They did not.
I called so many times, and some of the staff
there are very rude. They do not know the staff name. I
told them "I just talked to this lady. She said there was
a refund due to my son of $20" but we don't have check
stub."
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I go, "You don't-,"
"Hold just a few minutes." And
make me held for a long time, 15 minutes. No result. I
wrote to the president. No response.
And this is Ms. Councilmember Taylor, if
the trash Consolidated Disposal do not want to work
with the resident of Rosemead, why do we keep them?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: When did you talk to the
president of Consolidated?
DOLLY LEONG: I wrote to them.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: When?
DOLLY LEONG: November. Same time.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: November
DOLLY LEONG: November, 2004.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: What I'm trying to find
out, is how this this credit collection every year
we have an annual
DOLLY LEONG: Lien.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: lien
DOLLY LEONG: I keep calling Jan. "Do you have
any lien on my properties or" this reason I found out
there was one lien on my quickly, I paid. That was
hundred and something. I never heard of this $20. That
is what I wrote in the letter. There was no lien, so I
was not I was not warned there is a collect they
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going to
send it to the collection agency of a mere $20.
Mr. Councilmember Taylor, they
know me very
well. I
call them a lct. I pay them at
the payment
center.
I become friend with Maria when
she was full time
there un
til they have her part time only
certain days.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Do you
have all of those
letters
that you're referring to?
DOLLY LEONG: Yes.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: Does st
aff have those?
DOLLY LEONG: Maybe. -
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: If you
don't, I'm going
to ask s
taff what they did. Because it
doesn't make
sense.
DOLLY LEONG: $20. Right here.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No, I agree. It's a very
petty amount.
DOLLY LEONG: Yeah.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: But if the property was
on the delinquent list
DOLLY LEONG: No, it was not.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay. That's where
I I've got to start somewhere.
DOLLY LEONG: Yeah.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Let me ask you a question,
Dolly, 'cause I handled something for you a few years back
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on Ralph Street. It was your property.
DOLLY LEONG: Consolidated?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: On Ralph Street, it was your
property or someone else?
DOLLY LEONG: Yes. I still own the property,
yes.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: And did that go away, or what
happened?
DOLLY LEONG: I believe so. There was no liens
and nothing on 9554 Ralph Street. This is one of the new
home.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Oh, okay.
DOLLY LEONG: 8453 Mission Drive.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible) can take care or I
can. I'm in here all the time. Now, I want to call to
find out why this has happened. I can't say that I don't
want to accept it as something like that, because
(inaudible) .
DOLLY LEONG: Yes. Mayor, before you do that,
can I I I couldn't find the letter and everything my
son wrote to them. I wrote to them, and I call in tears.
Also, I want to thank Don and Jan. They are very helpful.
And is there any questions?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, no, I want to I
want to f_nd the paper trail.
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DOLLY LEONG: Yes. I will submit it to them as
soon as I find it. I can't find it now.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, Mr. Waggner, you talked to
him and another staff member, I want to find out their
side of the story, now. Because this this is silly on
a $20
DOLLY LEONG: $20.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: collection agency that
You said you came in and paid.
DOLLY LEONG: No, no, no, no, it there was
nothing on this one. I came in and paid this time, July,
2005 on 7665 Grace Avenue, not this one.
MAYOR PRO TEEM TAYLOR.: Okay. Well, maybe they
can get it straightened out
DOLLY LEONG: Yes.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: so I can logically go right
through it. I have to agree with you, a $20 delinquency
or collection fee or whatever it was
DOLLY LEONG: No, it's it's placed for
collection, placed for collection to a collection agency.
Its called Union Adjustment Company.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay.
DOLLY LEONG: It's on my credit report.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, I will look into
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MAYOR IMPERIAL: Is this a copy, Dolly?
DOLLY LEONG: (Inaudible).
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay.
DOLLY LEONG: Yeah, because I couldn't find I
was in a hurry, so I couldn't find it. I apologize.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Find find what you can,
because it's very $20, it seems like they created a big
problem, but I've got to find out what happened with it to
get them to straighten out their records.
DOLLY LEONG: You see, Mr. Council
Councilmerrber Taylor, they could charge these fees,
anyway.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Yes. Yes.
DOLLY LEONG: But $2, $2, ten time would be $20,
already. So why why send it to the collection?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I don't have the answer for you.
It's the first I've heard of it.
DOLLY LEONG: That is why I
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: I'd like to clarify that
you did talk to me in March, but not about this issue of
the $20 thing going on your credit report. I can assure
you that would have been taken care of, Dolly. But I
hopefully can find out because this sounds ridiculous.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: But I would just you know,
Mr. Taylor and Madam Clark, I would have to think that
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this you you're familiar with our process.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Yes.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: You put liens. We send out the
notice of delinquent. And and most of the
people I think the lien notice that went out, I mean,
the final number of properties was reviewed was
probably 75, 80 properties that were actually put on the
tax roll. Everybody else paid. And Mrs. Leong always pays
hers. I don't think she's been on had a lien placed on
her property, LC in years. So I don't know where this
$20 collection agency fee would come from, unless,
there I you know, I'll check it out.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, we can well, we
can do
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
DOLLY LEONG: Mr. Mr. Mayor, can I clarify
that?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Yeah.
DOLLY LEONG: This is not a collection fee.
This $20 was sent to the collection agency for collection
that I owe them on the property, 8453. I talked to
somebody there. They they clari-fied to me, it was not
a collection fee. It was placed for collection, $20.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Then why would it go as a
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lien?
DOLLY LEONG: No lien.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Yes.
DOLLY LEONG: No lien.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor at this
point, Mrs. Leong, I don't know w-.at else to do but have
staff start putting all the paperwork together. Because
it's the first time we've we've had a problem of this
nature. If there are delinquent fees not paid, we have an
annual process.
DOLLY LEONG: Yes, in June.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I don't know where =his
$20 collection fee came from, But we've never had
that.
DOLLY LEONG: Councilmember Taylor, this is not
collection fees. This is placed to the collection agency
to collect this $20.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Then I need to see what
that is, so staff can just research it.
DOLLY LEONG: Thank you.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Uh-huh.
DOLLY LEONG: Thank you.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Thank you.
Barbara Murphy.
BARBARA MURPHY: Good evening. Barbara Murphy,
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9125 Bentel Street in Rosemead.
Just to add to what Dolly just said, well, they
had a glitch in their billing system, And they billed
everyone in this cycle, regardless of the number of units,
for one unit. That's gonna cause a little bit of a
problem. I got a bill for one unit rather than two units.
So everyone who has multiple units got a bill for one
unit.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: When was that,
Mrs. Murphy?
BARBARA MURPHY: I got the bill today or
yesterday. I called them, and they said, "We had a
billing glitch." Just just, you know, for your
information. Um, that's not what I'm here to talk about.
I would like an explanation from the Mayor and
Mr. Taylor and Maggie. I keep getting this mail from
PRIDE. And it says on it, "Last Chance to Stop the
Rosemead Tax Increase."
Could you explain what that means to me?
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: I don't have anything to do
with those that go out.
BARBARA MURPHY: Well, your name is in here.
Well, I mean, they're using your name without your
permission?
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Well, I'd like to see it.
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May I see it?
BARBARA MURPHY: Well, sure.
Right here, Councilmembers Margaret Clark, Jay
Imperial, and Gary Taylor.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: And what about it?
BARBARA MURPHY: Well, you can read it. I
didn't memorize it.
But, I would like an explanation. What do you
mean when you say, "Last Chance to Stop the Rosemead Tax
Increase"?
I don't understand. I'd like an explanation as
to what that means.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: I can start off by saying we
don't want any taxes in Rosemead. We are totally against
new taxes in Rosemead, And we'll continue to do
that. But (inaudible) $100 a month or a week, whatever and you spend $80,
okay, you haven't got enough money to (inaudible) a lot of
other things. Okay, we're very careful on those issues.
BARBARA MURPHY: But that's not the same as a
tax increase. What what
MAYOR IMPERIAL: That will be a tax increase it
we spend more money than we have in the bank.
BARBARA MURPHY: I don't understand. It doesn't
say that. It just says, "Last Chance to Stop the Rosemead
Tax Increase."
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MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
BARBARA MURPHY: No, I would like an
explanation. That didn't explain it.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (inaudible) We're saying we're not looking
for any new taxes. We will not vote for any new taxes, and therefore
(inaudible) comes up
BARBARA MURPHY: Well, why is signing a card and
sending it back going to stop the tax increase? You
haven't even talked about a tax increase, Mr. Mayor.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Yes.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, Mayor, I want to read
this sentence, if it's correct here, "If one of them were
replaced" assuming Mr. Imperial or myself "in the
recall, there would be no way to stop these newcomers
from draining the City treasury and raising taxes to
support their very expensive ideas."
Is that what you're referring to?
BARBARA MURPHY: Right.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay.
BARBARA MURPHY: But that's not what the front
of this letter and this other mailer says. It says, "Last
Chance to Stop the Rosemead Tax Increase." Very
confusing. I don't understand.
Well, I didn't see any bond issues that we voted
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on for tax increases.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, the paragraph above
it states some of the things that want to be done. One
comment was raised, and I don't know if you got the news
article or not, when they talked about getting their own
police department.
BARBARA MURPHY: I believe the request was for a
study to see what was the feasibility of that.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: What did Mr. Bruce have
to say about that?
BARBARA MURPHY: Mr. Bruce? I don't know.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: He said, "We don't have the
$20 million to do it."
BARBARA MURPHY: I believe Mr. Tran said the
same thing, and he's on the City Council.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We're still going to be
working on that study. But that's an example, there, why
we don't have the $20 million to it would cost us every
year $10 million to have our own police department.
BARBARA MURPHY: No, I understand that.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay. But then that's
that's a proposal that's still on the board. It hasn't
gone away.
BARBARA MURPHY: Did you propose to start a new
police department, Mr. Tran?
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COUNCILMAN IRAN: I thought it was shelved. I
didn't put away, as far as the study.
You can clarify that, City Manager.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, let me read
something else here. Then there was a proposal to go to
the count or accounting procedure.
BARBARA MURPHY: Uh-huh.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Credit card, whatever you
want to call it.
BARBARA MURPHY: Uh-huh.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: And when it came before
the Council, that was $5000 per council member per month.
So that was $25,000 per month.
Do you know of that?
BARBARA MURPHY: No, I I read the whole
article that was in the paper on Cal-Cards that are used
by many school districts and many other government
agencies.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: But it was $300,000 a
year, When you calculate out, if each council member
chooses to use it. That would be $300,000 a year,
additional.
BARBARA MURPHY: Well, then you would be
traveling all the time. Because that was to be set up for
travel expenses only.
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: It was also we use it
for a monitoring program. As you know, Mr. Tran had to
explain his actions in Las Vegas.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: And I I believe I did,
Mr. Taylor, and it was rectified. As a matter of fact, on
the Cal-Cards, it was more of an accountability. We
currently have a $20,000 limit right now, I believe, on
the Assistant City Manager and City Manager which is
taken to conferences. And, I believe, when when a
council member travels, a staff member goes with them with
the $20,000 credit card. Is that put on let me ask the
City Manager. Is that are the rooms, everything put
on that $20,000 credit card?
CITY MANAGER: The rooms, if they're
pre-reserved are placed on the credit card before.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Does everyone hear this
guy here?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay. If you can't hear,
raise your hand. So I'll make sure we talk louder. Okay?
Thank you.
Go ahead.
CITY MANAGER: The city has a credit card. The
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assistant city manager and I I now have a credit card,
a city credit card. So we split that $20,000 limit. So
there's ten on each card.
COUNCILMAN IRAN: Times 12 is what, 240,000?
CITY MANAGER: Yeah. The card is used on a
the basis when we travel we can pre-reserve rooms. We do
not always travel with the with the council.
What was your other question?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Excuse me.
BARBARA MURPHY: Mr. Mayor
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I'd like to finish it,
how they're going to clarify it with Mr. Tran.
The comment was made that the charges that were
charged against your room in Las Vegas the comment was
made that it was put on Councilwoman is it Sharon.
Martinez? it was put on her credit card.
Do you recall that comment?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Yes, I do.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Was it ever verified? In
ten weeks, did we ever get a copy of her credit card
statement saying that it was on there?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: I don't know. Has staff been
able to get ahold of her on that receipt?
CITY MANAGER: Well, we we asked Ms. Martinez
if she did pay for it. We would certainly like to see
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a copy of that billing so that we could notify the hotel
that there has been a possible overcharge. We didn't receive
that, so we went directly to the hotel to ask them if they
could confirm whether there was any potential for a double
billing. And they satisfied the staff that that there
was not the opportunity for a double billing. And as a
consequence of that in fact, prior to that, Councilman
Tran had provided a a payment for that that charge in
issue. So we figured that the issue was satisfactory
satisfactorily handled.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, Mr. Tran did come
in the very next day and write a personal check to satisfy
that debt and take it off of the credit card charge, if
I'm not mistaken.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Yeah, I did that because of
the fact that once and if the hotel did double bill, which
the assumption was that
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No, I have documentation.
They did not double bill.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Can I finish?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Go right ahead.
COUNCILMAN TRAM: You asked me a question here,
so let me finish this.
And so when that was when that
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City, which is obviously on the City credit card. I
checked out of that hotel knowing that there was no
charges. So when that was when that was brought up by
Councilwoman Clark, it blew me away. Because I had not
seen the receipts. So the next morning, I made I wrote
a check out right away just to satisfy that because the
understanding that we could have been double billed. And
so I had staff investigate that. And, obviously, staff
has investigated that and talked to the hotel.
And what was your finding, again?
CITY MANAGER: Well, again, they told us that
there wasn't the possibility that it was double billed.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: And was that satisfactory?
CITY MANAGER: Yeah.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor, if I may, it
states here:
To Councilman Tran from the City Manager
regarding the hotel charges.
"In order to resolve the question of possible
double billing of room service charges, management staff
contacted the billing department of New York, New York
Hotel in Las Vegas. Hotel staff reviewed the billing
record for your room for the date in question and
confirmed that no charges were double billed. The May
22nd room service charges totaling $89.64 were billed
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against your room only and charged to t-e City's credi_
card as previously reported.
As you tendered a personal check to the credit
card company for these charges, the finance department
records now reflect your payment."
So there was no double billing, and ten weeks
later we still have not got any documentation from
Mrs. Martinez that it was put on her credit card. So
that's one reason for the City getting copies of all the
bills directly, because staff can go right through them
and see immediately. They don't get they don't get a
one-line statement saying this is all there is. We get
the bills with it. And that's the best way to be auditing
the checks and balance our accounts.
But going on further here, there's been a
proposal of building a new city hall or adding on council
offices to the west side of our building here. And that's
a $2 million project. And if they have another vote, they
can probably do that.
COUNCILMF_N TF : d: You know, teat was actually
that was actually a previous council. The plans when I
first got on the city council, the plans there were for five
different schemes. One of the schemes has council
offices.
Now, I recall the last council meeting, we
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: And are we coming back
with the proposal for what it would cost for those four
extra offices?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Which was previously brought
up by previous council in the past.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Let me clarify this,
Mr. Tran. This previous council flat out denied the
council building an addition for council members. We flat
out denied it. So don't be throwing it back. We're
talking about what you want to do now.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: What do what do I want to
I do?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Adding these new council
rooms, $2 million is our estimate now.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: You got John, maybe you
got City Manager, maybe you can clarify this.
Are we coming back before council read
what was the direction of the last redevelopment meeting?
Was it brought up, what, allocated a million dollars that we
all voted on, a million dollars to vote
CITY MANAGER: That we all voted on?
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COUNCILMEN TRAN: Just to remodel city hall to
make it accessible.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: And, I believe, that was
a 5-0 vote.
Was that correct, Mr. City Manager?
CITY MANAGER: I don't recall the yeah, there
was a 5-0 vote to analyze a couple of options and come
back to the council.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: So then what are we doing
with an elevator out there in the sidewalk for the future
addition to those four rooms?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: You know what? That elevator
was done because the architect recommended that
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: For what reason?
(Inaudible) that lobby would serve as
COUNCILMAN TRAN: There's three Mr. Taylor, there's three
options on the elevator. One would have been inside
the in this council chamber. Number two would have
been inside, actually, right where the computer is at the
receptionist's desk.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: That (inaudible)
COUNCILMAN TRAM: The third one, which was less
disruptive and cheaper, I believe, less expensive, to
create an elevator to go downstairs for residents with
ADA. And we all and you kept pushing for one that's on
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(inaudible) receptionist's office.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN TRAM: And we didn't do that, because
we thought the fact that the receptionist needed more space. And as a
matter of fact, (inaudible) council was looking at more
space for the receptionist.
You were the only one that you were the only
one that wanted the elevator right smack in
the middle, which would have cost a lot more money because you
would have done
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Tran, I spent 33
years as a construction superintendent and a general
building contractor. And to go out there to and to cut an
eight-foot square hole in that floor to go down below and
cut an eight-foot square hole in that floor to put the
base of an elevator is a lot cheaper than going out there
and going 16 to 20 feet, excavating that out, blocking the
doors to the city hall you've got to excavate out on a
45-degree angle for OSHA and safety codes.
COUNCILMAN TRAM: Mr. Taylor, you didn't get
support on that, I don't believe. Well, actually, we're
coming back. The architect gave me his options. Whatever
is least expensive and least disruptive as far as
BARBARA MURPHY: Can I get some clarification on
this this issue?
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COUNCILMAN TRAN: Well, can I finish, please?
met me finish, please.
BARBARA MURPHY: Uh-huh.
COUNCILMAN TRAM: Basically, whatever
whatever the architect can come back with that's least
disruptive and least expensive, that's the route we're
gonna go.
When you asked the question you mentioned
your 33 years of experience as a contractor. The
architect mentioned that it would be a lot less
destructive, lot less expensive to go out that way. I
still don't
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: He didn't know what he
was talking about.
COUNCILMAN TRAM: Okay. it wasn't me.
BARBARA MURPHY: Then you should fire that
(inaudible).
COUNCILMAN IRAN: So we should get somebody
else?
BARBARA MURPHY: You should get whoever
(inaudible)
COUNCILMAN IRAN: That's all right.
BARBARA MURPHY: allow you to do it.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: That's all right.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay. One of the
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things as far as verifying the extra costs, on the Claims
and Demands tonight here, it states city business meeting,
June 14th, 2005. This was a Claims and Demands. Now,
this was attended by Council member Nunez, Council member
Tran, Bill Crowe, and Brad Johnson. The reason of this,
was a tour of development projects in Buena Park,
Cerritos, and Fullerton.
Now, what was that about?
CITY MANAGER: On that date, those individuals
that you just indicated, we spent an afternoon looking at
various mixed-use development projects that are recognized
in Southern California as having particular design merit,
one over in Fullerton. Uh, we did go by Buena Park and
the city of Cerritos. In Buena Park we looked at they
had just built the new City Hall. In Cerritos we were
looking at the
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Why were you looking at
their City Hall?
UNIDENTIFIED
SPEAKER:
(Inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM
TAYLOR:
No. Why were
you looking
at the City Hall?
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Actually, we were looking at
the library that was there.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Oh, the library.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: There's a library that is
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state of the art.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We've got a library next-
door.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: But it was it looks just like
one at Cerritos; right?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR
we gonna pay for it?
How we gonna pay how
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Mr. Taylor, you asked the
question (inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I haven'- seen the one in
Cerritos.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Okay. Then how do you
then you should go out there and look at things like that.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: What do you think that
library would cost?
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Well, I don't know.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Oh, okay.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: But you know what? If we
don't go out there and look at things like other the
way other people do it, we're not going to learn.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Did the library change?
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: People who have not gone
anywhere and looked to see other things, frequent the
things from other areas, they're
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Did you check with the
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library to tell them we need a new one?
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: (Inaudible). Did I tell you
that we're build a new one?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: (Inaudible). Did I say we
were gonna build a new one?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Are you down there just
killing time?
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: We're looking at things that
are done and the way things are gonna go.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: We have to move on.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Anyways
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Let me ask you one thing,
Mr. Taylor.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Yes.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: If they gave if they gave
our council members you being included as one of
them of a budget of $5000 a month, you mean to tell me
we go through $25000 a month?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I don't spend any money.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Staff is going to spend
$25000 a month?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: That's what you implied.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Why was it in here?
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(Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ
COUNCILMAN TRAN:
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ
That's staff (inaudible).
Staff (inaudible) is $5000.
(Inaudible).
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible) one item, I think.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Hold on, Mr. Mayor.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible) for 27 years, and
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COUNCILMAN NUNEZ
floor or not?
MAYOR IMPERIAL:
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ:
MAYOR IMPERIAL:
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ:
floor or not?
Mr. Imperial, do I have the
(Inaudible).
Mr. Imperial
(Inaudible).
Mr. -mperial, do I have the
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Mr. Imperial, do I have the
floor or not?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Yes.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Okay. Thank you.
Now, the fact is that, you know what, we have a
$20,000 credit card limit.
Do we spend $20,000 a month?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No. I don't
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Okay. =hen why would you say
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we're gonna spend $5000 a month on each one that we use?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, we're not
(inaudible).
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: (Inaudible) for something.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No. No.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: (Inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No, we don't have a
Cal-Card, and we don't
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: We have a credit card that
you know what that that somebody can go out there
and use and go to Macy's or something like that and
purchase a
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: In 46 years, we haven't
1 had the problem.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Right. And we won't have a
problem.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: Mr. Tran went to
Las Vegas, and we had a problem.
i
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: We won't have a problem.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I know we won't.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: We won't have a problem.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We're not having a
Cal-Card.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ
Cal-Cards either.
It won't happen with the
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Anyway, we're just
disputing the (inaudible).
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Let's go on with (inaudible).
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: (Inaudible) by saying that
we're going to just spend that kind of money. We don't spend
that kind of money. You don't spend that kind of money.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: (Inaudible). Are you taking
it away from me?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: If you'll allow
Mr. Taylor to speak. When you cut (inaudible) off.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Okay. Are you cutting me off
now? Can you stop the taping?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (Inaudible).
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Mr. Taylor, I think you're
being disingenuous by telling people that we're going to
spend $5000 a month. We don't spend the $20,000 that we
have right now limit on credit cards. And there is no
reason why we will we will start doing that.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Uh-huh.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Mr. Taylor, you're saying
that only you alone, you can control yourself with credit
cards and that we can't? Is that what you're saying?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: This is on behalf of Barbara
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Tran fouled up.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: -arbara wanted to say
something.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: I'm sorry? What did you say?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Tran fouled up.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: I did not get the receipt,
Mr. Taylor. Had I got the receipt
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: You should have looked at
it.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Staff has the receipt. The
staff brought those receipts to me and I'm not blaming
staff. I did not get the receipt. I did not get the
receipt. Had they brought it to my attention, I would
say, "You know what? I didn't know about these charges."
Because Councilmember Sharon Martinez paid with her own
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Wait a minute. Don't go
down that road again, because what we
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Thank you. You just stick to
the chairing. And I'd like you to apologize to me.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Now, look okay. I have
the floor now. I asked for the floor, Jay. Mr. Mayor
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (Inaudible).
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, I
asked for the floor. I need to clarify (inaudible).
COUNCILMAN TRAN: You don't believe me?
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COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Mr. Mayor.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Ms. Clark has a comment.
CITY MANAGER: Let's continue with our normal
business here.
COUNCILWOMAN CLAP.K: I need to clarify what
happened with the with the issue with Ms. Martinez; all
right? I called her the next day when you said she was
upset.
Can you hear me?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: You said you called the next
day.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Okay. I called Sharon, and
I said, "I'm sorry that I didn't talk to you first about
it. That would have been the more polite way. But you
have to understand that we were being challenged. We were
being challenged that we used limousines and upgraded to
first class. We were being challenged that we misused tax
payer money." All right?
She did not accept my apology.
She said, "Nothing you say can make it better.
You were a fellow Soroptimist. How could you do this?"
I won't go into the whole thing, but she did
not accept my apology. Okay. I did not apologize for the
issue. I apologized for not going to her first. That
would have been the polite way to do it. All right?
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paid.
I said, "All we need is your either your City
credit card receipt or your personal credit card receipt,
and that would prove that it was a double billing. End of
conversation."
I said she said, "I do not have a City credit
card." Period.
She did not say, "I I'm looking for the
receipts," or, "I paid with my personal credit card." She
didn't say that. And to this day she has not brought in
the receipts. You said she paid for the meal. She said
she paid for the meal to the newspapers, and she did not.
Now, I wasn't gonna bring this up again, John. I
wasn't going to bring this up at all. But the memo that says we
cashed the City cashed your check for the $86 in order
that it would not go on the City bill, but that is
still was a charge that would have been on the bill if
it hadn't been caught. And you and she both said she paid
for it.
Now, when I talked to.people on from other
council people read about it in the paper at the
conference in Monterey and they think that it's even
illegal. It is actually illegal. We know because we have
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council member to take another council member, a friend, a
constituent, a spouse on the City tab. it is illegal.
COUNCILMAN TR.AN: I'm sorry:
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: And it may even be illegal
to get reimbursed. In other words, you you you say,
"Well, I'll charge it, and then I'll pay for it later."
It may according to these council people, that even may
be illegal to actually charge it. And you made an issue
of it, John. You brought it back and vilified me for
bringing this up
COUNCILMAN TRAN: I don't disagree.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: at that meeting. The
next day I called her and I talked to her, and nothing
has happened since. Your check was cashed, but she did
not pay. And you were gonna it was all fine with you.
You may have not realized when when it was brought up.
You said that you were caught off guard. But when you
were in that hotel having that meal with there were actually
two meals. There was one with Roger Hernandez and you and
Sharon, and there was another meal with just Sharon and
you. And there's four entries on the bill. And you knew
that was taking place. That was room service, and it went
on the bill.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: And again
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: So for you to say this is all
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nothing, and it's all my fault, you were going around your people that are getting signatures on the recall I
have friends out there that tell me when when they come
to their house. And they told me that your people are
going out there and saying, "Margaret Clark apologized to
Sharon Martinez." And that implies that the whole thing
was my fault. You had nothing wrong, she had nothing
wrong. And I take issue with that.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Well, let me let me
no I I
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: And it it brings up the
whole thing
MAYOR IMPERIAL: I'm going to let you comment
one more time, and let's go on with business. Okay?
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: It brings up the whole
thing about why we cannot have the Cal-Card, because if I
was totally crucified and vilified for an $86 bill, there
is no way that we're gonna keep tabs on what you spend,
where you go. Because you absolutely you absolutely
and it's verbatim in the minutes. It's verbatim on the
tape. And anybody can come in and listen to that. And
you're the one that has kept it going by having your
recall people out
COUNCILMAN TRAM: I have my recall people?
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Yes, you do.
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COUNCILMAN TRAN: I have so much control over
them. Anyhow, I'd agree that
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: I have a lady here tonight,
and she'll tell you exactly what you said.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible) an answer on that
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COUNCILMAN IRAN: And I actually want to comment
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COUNCILMAN TRAN: That's what I thought it was.
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rectified.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: But why this
COUNCILMAN TRAN: But you you made the assumption
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: You can go on the Internet
and find out what you charged on your credit card, John.
She could find that out in an instant on-line. Now, if
she can't produce that in ten weeks, then obviously it
didn't happen.
COUNCILMAN TRAM: Well, you know what? We're
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COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: So why didn't you keep asking
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COUNCILMAN TRAN: You know, that's true. That's
I that's
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Let's go on with business.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: (Inaudible), Mr. Mayor. This
is unbelievable.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Yeah, it is.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Unbelievable.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Mr. Perea.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: They're just motivating me
more.
DAVID PEREA: Good evening. My name is
David Perea, 2434 North Charlotte.
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Well, I hope we don't end up talking about trash for
what I'm gonna ask you.
The issue that I have is why our city fathers
who lead this city don't remind the citizens that it's a
Federal offense to remove political signs?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: They're removing political
signs?
DAVID PEREA: Yes.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: It's a Federal
DAVID PEREA: People yes, it is.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay. They're not removing
them.
DAVID PEREA: They're removing them. We paid
for them. They should stay up. If people want to run a
fair campaign, that's one way to do it.
MAYOR. IMPERIAL: Well, is there a problem there?
DAVID PEREA: Yes.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Well, then, why don't you bring
that to the that problem to my attention
DAVID PEREA: I hey
THE COURT: and we'll look into it?
DAVID PEREA: You said that at the last meeting,
and it's gotten worse.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: And did you bring it to my
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DAVID PEREA: We did. We spoke about it.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: I'm not talking to you,
I'm talking to
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor
DAVID PEREA: Mr. Ruiz spoke about it.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor, there are
signs being taken from both sides.
DAVID PEREA: Well, it's not us.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: It's not us either.
DAVID PEREA: We are running a clean and fair
campaign.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: And so are we. We have
DAVID PEREA: We don't put you down. We don't
talk about bad
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We're saying the same
(thing. We're not taking your signs, and you're not taking
ours.
DAVID PEREA: Well, then, you should tell
somebody that you you represent, it's illegal to do that.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: You should tell somebody
you represent. It's a back-and-forth issue.
DAVID PEREA: We don't do that.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: You're not doing it?
DAVID PEREA: We don't do that.
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Absolutely, YOU d0.
DAVID PEREA: That's not our policy.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I've had signs taken from
my neighborhood. We've had signs taken and put in the
park and go up and take pictures. They're not
DAVID PEREA: You're not supposed to put them in
a park, anyway.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We know that. We're not
dumb. We they had my signs put out here in the ivy and
came in and told the City to go out and take pictures.
There's just people that pull those crummy stunts.
DAVID PEREA: Well, those must be your people,
because it ain't ours.
MAYOR. PRO TEM TAYLOR: Oh, that's right. And
it's not ours.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: But we did get we did get
the memo
UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: (Inaudible) come on.
COUNCILMAN TRAM: We did get a memo from from our staff stating
that actually, I think Mike Lewis was there. Mike
Lewis had a sign in the in the park, which a picture was taken,
both with signs taken to the park. So it was just people
throwing it in the park, Gary. So
DAVID PEREA: But, you know, if you gonna run a
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your true colors. Don't do it the way it's being done.
That's all. What's wrong with that?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: That is the way it's
being run.
DAVID PEREA: Well, I'll tell you what
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Who did you catch doing
that?
DAVID PEREA: We don't haven't caught anybody, but
we're gonna set traps for them.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: That's the best thing to
I do.
DAVID PEREA: And you know what
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I agree with that.
DAVID PEREA: You know what? And you and
I'll tell you this much, you a person who removes a
political sign can go to prison.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Catch them.
DAVID PEREA: Well, I hope we do.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We'll help you send them
to prison.
DAVID PEREA: I hope we do.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No, I'm I'm in
I'm in agreement with you. I really am.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: (Inaudible) Gary.
DAVID PEREA: And you, as a leader of our
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community, you should tell the people, "Don't do it."
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Thank you, Mr. Perea.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Don't do it.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Don't do it, Gary.
DAVID PEREA: I bet you will.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Have we got any others?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah, all the other
ones
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Somebody else (inaudible).
(Inaudible). Okay. (Inaudible).
RON GAY: Good evening. Ron Gay, 4106 Enc_nita
I Avenue.
Let's get a few things clear here, Gary.
Cal-Card. Okay?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No, please don't
RAN GAY: No. No. No. Excuse me. Who's got the
podium? Thank you.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: You've got it now, but not for
everything that happened during the
RON GAY: No. No. No. You come out with these
assumptions. Okay? Your staff reviewed
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We're not getting a
Cal-Card.
RON GAY: Please. Please.
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We're not getting a
Cal-Card. (Inaudible).
RON GAY: Will you please be quiet. Who's got
the door? Thank you. You know, you you get my blood
pressure to a point where I'm not gonna take this bull.
Okay? So please bear with me and listen.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Uh-huh.
RON GAY: Uh-huh. Okay. Cal-Card, okay, were
reviewed by your staff. It's a professional card endorsed
by the state of California. This $5,000 limit limits
can be set by your own organization. Okay? It's all
about accountability, Gary, not your old 40-year-old plan
of a traveling
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: (Inaudible).
RON GAY: Can you pl--ase be quiet, please? Can
you please be quiet? Okay? Okay? You're you're
you're talking about, you know, spending this, spending
that. Well, let's go back a few, too. When we talked, I
brought up a point about limos with Jay excuse me, town
cars, having city managers driving town cars on trips.
Does that ring a bell?
MAYOR PRO TEM Tz'{LOR: The car in the back?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Are you kidding?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: The car in the back?
RON GAY: A rental. Rental cars.
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That doesn't ring a bell?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: No, it does not.
RON GAY: Okay. Okay.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Look at (inaudible)
RAN GAY: Also also, too hang on. Hang
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No. No. You accuse them
of driving a town car
RON GAY: No, I'm asking, does it ring a bell?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: They told you last time
they didn't.
RON GAY: I r specified a limousine.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Town car? What are you
(inaudible)
RON GAY: You've never had a city manager
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
(END OF SIDE ONE)
RON GAY: Okay. I'm talking a town car. Okay?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay, a town car.
Where where did you get a town car?
RON GAY: Well, some people consider
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
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don't. Okay?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: And, honestly, after 43
years in the military, I consider it about time. What's your
(inaudible)? What's your (inaudible)?
RON GAY-: I was in the military, too. Okay?
So yeah.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible) to try and
get to me.
RON GAY: Yeah, right. Well, you get to me,
too. okay.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible). Don't get
too far now. (Inaudible).
R.ON GAY: Oh, no. No. No. No. You listen up.
Okay, buddy?
Back to you, Gary, I brought up the point I
brought the point about recalling Pike, and you said you
had absolutely nothing to do with that.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Oh, come on.
RON GAY: No, you come on. We're talking
credibility, Gary.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
RON GARY: Gary, we're talking credibility. You
point blank said you had nothing to do with it. Well, I
checked with the sources.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
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RON GAY: Estelle (inaudible) (sic) and Lillian
Soco (sic) said you came to them, and you wanted a
position. Matter of fact, they're the same outsiders
that you call outsiders that you asked to get you in
this office. Yes or no?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: I didn't ask them for
anything.
RON GAY: You didn't ask them for anything?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: The outsiders are your
union.
RON GAY: No.
UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: This is the outsider. Where is my
(inaudible)?
RON GAY: Mr. Mike Lewis? He used to do the same thing in
South E1 Monte. Okay?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Did you look at the
campaign sta=ements today? How much money did the unions
put into our elections?
RON GAY: You tell me.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No. No. You're supposed
to know.
RON GAY: No. No. I've been working all day. Okay?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Did they put in $10,000?
RON GAY: How much did how much has Wal-Mart put in on
this already?
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Wal-Mart put in $480,000
to buy the permits down there and the EIR to become a
part of this community.
RON GAY: I'm asking you, how much have they put
out for all your pieces
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I don't know.
RON GAY: which you claim, cleaning up
Rosemead. All of a sudden you've been here 25 31 or
30.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Uh-huh.
RON GAY: You've been here 25 now, it's now it's your
ambition to clean up Rosemead? Huh?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible) it's been going on.
RON GAY: It's been going on.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: You know what I think (inaudible) because (inaudible).
RON GAY: Well, excuse me, I think you're the
one that's
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Gay
RAN GAY: a little, uh, a little
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: you're not follow, ng
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: You're not following what
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MAYOR IMPERIAL: Tell another war story.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Did they spend $10,000? Did they
spend $20,000?
RON GAY: You tell me.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: You don't know?
RON GAY: No, I haven't read it yet. Enlighten
me, Gary. You seem to be full of enlightenment.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible). Did they
wend $40,000? Did they spend $80,000?
RON GAY: Do you know? Tell me.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Did they spend $100,000?
RON GAY: Tell me.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Recess (inaudible). We'll have
a five-minute recess.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible) Mr. Gay.
Their outside people spent 80 to $100,000.
RON GAY: Your outside people are Wal-Mart
because you're too lazy to do your job and fill these
vacancies. Your quick cure is to bring a Wal-Mart when
you have all these blighted areas of town. Okay? You've
had enough time in this city.
Good-bye.
(Recess.)
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the oral communications from the audience. Can we hear
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the last one, please?
RON GAY: Yeah. ^ook a nice little time-out
there. I think we all needed it. Excuse me for raising
my voice, but I just really it irks me when people try
to take things out of context, which By the way, you
never mentioned what the new tax increase was all about.
Bottom line, it's strictly a scare tactic. That's all
this whole ploy is.
You know, I look at this "Cleaning up Rosemead,"
and new businesses. You know, once again, here we go
again. You know, the objective of the city council is to grow a
city, is to bring in businesses, not replace businesses.
Please. Please. I don't want to go down this
road again, Gary.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
RON GAY: Okay? But okay, that's Wal-Mart
is gonna cure all your ills; right?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well
RON GAY: Forget about all the blighted parts of
Valley, all the blighted parts of Garvey. Just forget
about it. These are replacement pictures, Gary. These
are businesses that went out, for one reason or another,
that were strictly replaced. We have no growth, Gary.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
RON GAY: We have no growth in this city. We
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you know, like I said before, if if if you talk
about spending and spending. It's not about spending
money, it's about looking into and investing. That's why
you have staff". That's staff's job. But if you if
they're not given direction if they're not given
direction to go after and look at avenues to enrich our
city you know, 'cause bottom line you know, I know half
of you don't live in Rose other than our council. Okay?
Other staff, they don't live here. We don't have anything
in this city. What do we have? Nothing. Bottom line,
nothing.
You look at Pico to the south. Yeah, they got a
Wal-Mart, but they got a whole lot more than Wal-Mart,
buddy, you know? Okay?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
RON GAY: You look at you look at you look
at the other cities. I mean, we leave the city to go out
to dinner, to go to the movies. Isn't the objective to
build it here in the city so we can enjoy our city, so we
can spend our tax money in the city? It's not happening.
And and you get on these tangents about spending this
and blah, blah, blah. And you know what? It's nothing
but a smoke screen, and it's not gonna work. And until
people up here realize that residents require a little
more than a Wal-Mart okay because bottom line,
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what's gonna happen to you is what Wal-Mart does
everywhere else. Ten years down the road when this
little, um, lease is up, they're gonna vacate, baby.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: That's not true
RAN GAY: Oh, come on.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: and you know it.
RON GAY: No, I know exactly. Just like I
asked Canalos (sic) okay. I'm gonna keep it down.
Just like I asked Canalos (sic) at the meeting,
I Cathedral City.
"Oh, no, we didn't close that. We relocated."
Yeah, one town to the other. That is their ball
plan, Gary. That is what they do. They come in. They
promise you the world. You say we didn't have to give
them anything? Well, when this first started out, we were
looking at about one and a half million dollars to
purchase that sign and all that kind of good stuff. But
because they got shellacked in Inglewood and have taken
the heat, they want to win this city. And you can tell.
You can tell, the money they spend in here to put this
stuff up, which is you know what? I just hope
residents don't realize do realize that there's a whole
heck of a lot more to a city than Wal-Mart. okay.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: How many stores does
Wal-Mart have?
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RON GAY: How many? Well, geese, they keep
growing every day.
MA-CF. PRO TEM TAYLOR: How many do they have
right now?
RON GAY: I don't know, Gary. I don't really
follow Wal-Mart. I just follow it in my city.
MAYO:. PRO TEM TAYLOR: And that's what we're
trying to do.
RON GAY: okay.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: They said they have 4,000 stores, and you're
telling me every ten years they close them all?
RON GAY: Check their track record. Check their
track record. They'll go they'll they'll close this
one. They'll go to another site. And what they do, is
what they do everywhere else. They pray on cities. They
promise you the world. We're gonna set up on the border
here, and let's take some of Pico's business, and take
some of Montebello's business. Let's take some of
Alhambra's business, or whoever it may be. And they
promise you the world. Okay? And and you talk about
jobs. Those jobs aren't guaranteed for people in
Rosemead. We've been through this.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: we've never said that.
RON GAY: Oh, yes. 500 jobs for
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Rosemead area, do you
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know what that means? It means south San Gabriel. It
means Monterey Park. It means E1 Monte. It means (inaudible)
RON GAY: It means East Los Angeles. It means
everywhere else but just Rosemead.
I mean, these things, you know you know who
puts this together. You know, Mike Lewis
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor
RON GAY: is here for a reason.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Ron, you're gonna take
this the wrong way, but I think we should move on with the
meeting because yo-a and I could talk all night.
RON GAY: Yeah, we can. And the only thing I
can really say that I know you you you folks on this
council have done for this city barring these two
gentlemen on the corner was to vote yourself a $1200 a
month raise for redevelopment. Okay? Which puts you up
in the neighborhood of what, $12,950, I believe, for a
part-time job.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Did you check the voting
record on that?
RON GAY: No, I didn't, Gary. You didn't vote
for it, did you?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: There you go. You just
discovered something.
RON GAY: Okay. Fine. Big deal.
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I I I just don't
want to go on with this, Mr. Mayor. We can talk all
night, Ron.
RON GAY: Yeah, we can, Gary.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I didn't vote for it.
RON GAY: And I'm done. And you know what? If
he would learn
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
RON GAY: how to run a clean campaign, it
wouldn't get like this. Okay?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor, they spent
$100,000, I think.
RON GAY: (Inaudible). Okay. What did Wal-Mart
spend, Gary?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Oh, don't blame it on
I Wal-Mart.
RON GAY: No, I'm asking a question.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Don't blame it on
I Wal-Mart.
RON GAY: You brought it up. I'm not blaming
anybody.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible) the poor
people that can't even buy socks.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
RON GAY: No, don't excuse me, Mr. Mayo=, he
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brought up a point to me.
He said, "Did you know they spent an x amount of
dollars?"
And I asked the simple question in rebuttal,
"How much did Wal-Mart spend?"
And he won't answer. Just like he wouldn't answer
about the tax increase.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: No. No. You guys outspent
Wal-Mart. I'll tell you tha-.
RON GAY: Pardon?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: You guys outspent
Wal-Mart.
RON GAY: Yeah, right.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: It's all in the financial
records, and we're gonna talk about that a little later.
RON GAY: You can't tell us now.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I told you. It's
1$100,000.
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that's -
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It's under $100,000.
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MAYOR IMPERIAL: Slippery slope here, okay, last comment.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Mr. Mayor, real quick on
that on that flyer that says "No New Taxes," but interesting
enough, that I'm not to sure the public even knows,
we're actually in debt. We we financed a bona in lyys
for $35 million that we owe. Plus, if you pay out for 30
years, which is 2023, we owe an additional $35 million.
So if you look at it, we owe as of today, $70 million.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: You're wrong.
COUNCILMAN TRAM: I'm wrong?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We're gonna bring it back
at the next meeting fully documented.
Mr. Crowe, would you bring that up?
COUNCILMAN TRAM: Mr. Crowe knows fully
(inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No. No. No. We're
gonna bring that up at the next meeting
COUNCILMAN IRAN: (Inaudible). Does he have (inaudible)?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: in detail.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Do we owe do we owe $35
I million?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No. No. You said
$70 million.
COUNCILMAN TRP~: Plus interest. After you pay
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everything else, it will be $70 million.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: Anyway, we'll bring it
back at the next meeting.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: We are in debt, so
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: (Inaudible).
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Cancel the City credit cards,
and we'll be okay.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: People need to learn to (inaudible).
COUNCILMAN TRAN: (Inaudible). Cancel the City
credit cards, and we'll be fine.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: Keec moving.
II. PUBLIC HEARINGS: None.
IIl. LEGISLATIVE:
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay. Resolution No. 2005-26,
claims and demands.
COUNCILMAN IRAN: Yes, Mr. Mayor, I'd like to
pull one item off the list.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible).
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Which one, Mr. Tran?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: I'm actually going to I'd
like to get some more information on this let's see here.
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Would that be considered, uh, (inaudible) register number
05-26.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: What page?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: First page. First page of the
claims and demands.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Which number?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: 89505 through 89663. I have
to get some more information on this as far as what we've paid
for for these fire extinguishers.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Tran, is it 26 to 27, which
the resolution number?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: 26.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Cn page 1? On page
1 1?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Hey, Gary, it's check 49.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Want to move (inaudible),
John?
COUNCILMAN IRAN: That's fine.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: John, you want to remove that one,
though?
COUNCILMAN IRAN: I'd like to remove that,
possibly, just bring it back at the next meeting with more
information on that.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay. so is that the only item?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: That's the only one.
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MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay. (Inaudible).
MAYOR PRA TEM TAYLOR: Move the approval.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: I second.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Both items?
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Both?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible) hold off, I think (inaudible) information on
this.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Is that it?
COUNCILMAN TRAM: That's it.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: so we're paying it?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Yes.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Are we paying it or getting it
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Yes.
Mr. Tran, we're going c pay it. And you're
going to get the informat;c
COUNCILMAN TRAN: I'^. _iKe _ ant mc.ve
it to the next meeting. (Inaudible).
MAYCR. IMPER.IA.L: (Inaudible) you want to pull
that?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: Yes. I want to pull that
item. I guess, that warrant or the check number.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Okay. Move the approval.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Second.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay. Uh, resolution number 2005-27
of claims and demands. (Inaudible) 2005. (Inaudible).
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Move the approval.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Can I get a second?
COUNCILMAN TRAN: We got to pay our bills.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Is there a second?
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: There's a second.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: (Inaudible) move it (inaudible).
MAYOR IMPERIAL: He's gonna approve it
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Second.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: To approve it.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible) second in the action.
Status reports. (Inaudible).
IV. CONSENT CALENDAR.:
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Yes?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: For the next city council
meeting, I would like an item put on the agenda regarding
the hiring of two additional deputies.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Mr. Mayor (inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Nunez has
got nothing to do with the study.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Well, I just want to okay.
So we asked for a study on something, and you want to bring
something up, then document
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MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: They'll be done. -_his is
a supplemental hiring that would fill any gap we may have.
You can still have the study. I'm just asking for these
two additional
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: So if the study calls for
something different, how do we do it? How do we change
it?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We can correct it, then?
Obviously, we got to have
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: So you're saying we need more
police help?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I want to try and put
more additional deputies
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Today? So in other words,
like as soon as possible?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, yes.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: Okav. I just want to make
sure. That's all I want to do.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: And we can discuss this (inaudible).
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: And then at that time we'll
discuss what the purpose what the (inaudible)
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Absolutely.
COUNCILMAN NUNEZ: All right. Thank you.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Absolutely.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Is there a cost attached to
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that or
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR.: Of course there will. We
don't get it for free.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Two deputies; right?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Well, it's $300,000. And
you brought up the comments, when you were walking the streets of
the city of Rosemead, the response time is so long that a
couple more deputies will help that. That's why I'd like
it on the next agenda. (Inaudible) couple of deputies it's a study and the
response time. Okay. But that's all I have on that, Mr.
Mayor.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: Mr. Mayor?
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible) from the audience?
V. MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION: None.
VI. STATUS REPORTS: None.
VII. MATTERS FROM OFFICIALS:
COUNCILWOMAN CLP.RK: Mr. Mayor, I I have some
things.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: I would like the item
verbatim on the tape recorder.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: I can't hear you, Maggie.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: I'd like the item verbatim
on the credit card issue.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: All items are verbatim.
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There's no (inaudible) on the credit card issue, again.
COUNCILWOMAN CLARK: No, on the credit card.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: I'd like to get all items
verbatim.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay. (Inaudible) all items
verbatim.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Mr. Tran is That's
fine. I'll go along with that.
I'm sorry, Nancy. Usually, I'm the one that
makes things
UNIDEN-_IFIED SPEAKER: Are we gonna handle
(inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: I don't know. We can
take a vote on it, if you want to vote yes or no.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Anyway, Mr. Mayor, we do
have some other council members have an issue for I do
want to br-ng up the candidate, the statements that
were filed. I need to ask the city clerk if those forms
that had been filed, if they're acceptable, or have you
asked for additional explanations?
CITY CLERK: No, I have not asked for additional
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: Then I would like to ask,
because I believe it's about, I'm gonna say, an 80- to
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90-page report that was given to us from the
CITY CLERK: (Inaudible).
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: No, the County on
political education (inaudible). And it's the (inaudible)
CIO. And there is between 80 and $100,000 listed in there
that they paid out for the last election. So but it's
so confusing because they threw in approximately six other
city elections, and it's not broke down. So I would
request and if you have to have the City attorney look
at it but as I say, it's 80- to 90-pages long. And
Mr. Rosenthal, I believe, ran in L.A. There was quite a
bit of money it was approximately $236,000 that they
put in one form. So I would like to get it broke down in
a legible form, because they donated many, many thousand
dollars to the Soc S-O-C-P-A-C. As was discussed in
some previous literature, they sent they spent many
thousands of dollars, whether it be 10 to 20 because
it's not broke down enough.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: In what city or town are we
talking about?
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We're-talking about from
the last filing statement from
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: the two weeks before
the election. All this money was spent after that time,
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and it was not reported.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay.
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: So I would like to ask
the city clerk to send a letter to get that clarified
rather than grouping it all together with like I
said six other city elections.
That's all I have, Mr. Mayor.
COUNCILMAN TRAM: Mr Mayor, we'd also like to
take a request. See, off the same set up that Mr. Taylor
said that Wal-Mart how much money they gave to PRIDE
and
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: John, they all made the
same statement.
COUNCILMAN TRAN: But I would like to ask for a
victim's list.
VIII. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE:
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Okay. At this time, then,
we're going to (inaudible). Are there any more?
KEN PIKE: I have listened tonight to arguments
both ways here, and I'm firmly convinced that nobody
convinced anybody of anything because it was so jumbled
up. Now, we have agendas that are set up, and if we as
council members or audience listening to this, in
parliamentary procedure, why, things that are not on the
agenda can't be brought up at a council meeting. They can
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be asked for a study or something to be put on the aae-da
for the next council meeting, and it will run smoothly
then. But this asking a question here, and trying to
answer the question, and getting in an argument, that
doesn't that doesn't promote a smooth council meeting.
When the people say that there's been no
improvement in the city, I went on a tour of our city here
this evening, before I came to this council meeting, and I
was absolutely flabbergasted at the improvement that has
happened in our city in the past 30 years. Now, it didn't
happen yesterday, and it didn't happen last week, it just
happened over this period of time. But when I refer back
to what we had when we began and what we have now, it's
almost unbelievable.
Now, Walnut Grove used to be a little two-lane
road, run down from the city of Emmit (sic). And it had
no curbs and gutters. It had a bar ditch there that
was some cattails were growing in places, and the
mosquitos were breeding, and i- was just one heck of a
mess. And I toured the city today, and I went down. Walnut
Grove clear to the end of the city limits. And where it
joins San Gabriel, it's a four-lane highway, curbs,
gutters, drainage, beautiful. I turned around San
Gabriel. It's also a four-lane highway all the way down
to where it crosses under the 60. I didn't go any further
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than that today. I don't know whether it's four-lane on
past the 60 Freeway or not. But the curbs and gutters and
drains in the city and the improvement in the homes why
there's beautiful two-story homes down there that didn't
exist when we were incorporated. And people way -o
hunt rabbits and quail out there where the city
developed. But we have made one lot of progress. The
only thing we're lacking is in business.
Now, when we first incorporated, we hired one of
the foremost professionals to help to come in and try
to tell us how we could develop the city of Rosemead and
be successful with it. And at that time, he said the
strip zoning with the 25s and 20s and 25s didn't get it,
but if you had you're gonna have a business district,
you have to have depth for the business district. Now,
Bert Kellog Kellog Bank was on the corner of Rosemead
and Valley he attended all of these meetings that we
had. And he was the first man that followed the project
when our planner charged us $50,000 for which was
cheap, but it was a lot of money at that time. And he
said that we had to have the depth, that it had to go
deeper than half a block, half of the (inaudible) depth
as it (inaudible), or we couldn't develop.
Now, this Bert Kellog put in his according to
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Boulevard, to Steele, to the either side of there, and he
developed a bank that way. Now, Olive's up here used
to be Olive's, then it was Builder's Emporium, and now
that it's a massive Johnny's Restaurant Row or
something there. It get there, but it was developed the
same way. It has depth in which the development business
wise.
I turned old 66 Highway clear down to La Verne.
No place was any development there that didn't have depth
of development. They bought out I tell you, El Monte
used to be one street. Valley Boulevard didn't go through
there, and that was strip zoning. They have gone in back
of the old strip, they built a new Valley that went
around, and they got parking in hopes that are trying
to save the shopping center. Rosemead has not gone to
that expense. They haven't got followed the advice of
the experts that we've hired to come in here and help us.
And you're not going to get any good development unless
you make it zone property so they can have room for the
development and the parking around it.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Just a minute. (Inaudible).
KEN PIKE: Universal Square, which you put in
MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR: We're rebuilding the
general plan this year. It will probably be a year by the
time it's all completed. So I'm sure that's all going to
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be reviewed again to get recommendations.
KEN PIKE: Fine.
Universal Square, which you put in under
private it wasn't redevelopment, it was private
development and they bought all of that property and
put it in. But it was feasible. Now, this offering of
benefits to to businesses that have come in, this has
been very prominent in a lot of the cities trying to steal
business or get businesses there by giving buying
personal property and then selling it at a discount, or
allowing people to come in and keep part of the sales tax
that are created, and that and that we Rosemead
has never done that way. I'm thankful to say, that their
competition has. So that's where some of the business
development that possibly could have come, hasn't made it.
If we had had our redevelopment project on
Valley Boulevard and Rosemead like we had it set up and
planned according to the specifications of the man that we
hired come in and give us these things, we would have been
way ahead of Temple City. They put in their redevelopment
project and have the (inaudible) and a lot of businesses
up there, K-Mart and those drug stores.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: I'd like to say that
(inaudible). Okay?
Some people have forgotten about we had a
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redevelopment project there, and that was (inaudible) in
this city. They had two projects. One was the project
that had already started. Once the building gets started,
you can't stop it. That's (inaudible). The other one is
Valley Boulevard. It was killed before it got started,
even though it wasn't
KEN PIKE: We had embarked money on it.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: And you know as well as I do,
that (inaudible) big markets in here, outside of a lot of
things, (inaudible), I called him down, here. And when I
got him down here, they looked around and said, "Well,
okay. We'll let you know." They weren't satisfied with
what they seen, because of them being killed right along.
KEN PIKE: It's not feasible.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: So so what they did, is they
went into Temple City, is what they did. So this is the
problem we've been fighting with. Okay?
KEN PIKE: Yes.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: So I'm confident a fine
example, all this stuff about care about what you do,
but nobody went out there to care about stopping Rosemont.
(Inaudible).
KEN PIKE: Well, we could we can't keep the
market in once you leave, and you can't get one in that
doesn't want to come in. And that's that's bad, but we
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have made progress. And what we have made is great, but
the crying need we now need is for business to come in,
and K-Mart is a start. We're gonna lose May Company.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: No, we're not gonna lose
(inaudible).
KEN PIKE: Well, all I know is what I read in
the paper.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: (Inaudible).
KEN PIKE: Yeah. Okay. Then that's all I'm
gonna say.
Thank you.
MAYOR IMPERIAL: So we got any (inaudible)?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We're gonna read
(inaudible).
IX. CLOSED SESSION: At 9:25.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The announcement.
Well, maybe I'll let Jay call the meeting
(inaudible). The council met in closed session to discuss
existing litigation, pursuant to Government Code Section
54956 (inaudible), the Save Our Community vs. City of
Rosemead. There was no reportable action taken.
(Reconvened at 9:55)
MAYOR IMPERIAL: Any other questions?
The meeting is now adjourned.
X. ADJOURNMENT: 9:58.
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VERBATIM SECTION ENDS.
THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 23, 2005,
AT 8:00 P.M.
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STATE OF CALIFORNIA )
ss.
COUNTY OF ORANGE }
I, KRISTI JOHNSON, CSR No. 12585, a Court
Reporter for the County of Orange, State of
California, do hereby certify:
That said audio recorded material was
transcribed into typewriting under my direction and
supervision, and I hereby certify that said material
is a full, true, and correct transcript of the audio
recorded material.
I further certify that I am neither counsel
for nor related to any party to said action, nor in
any way interested in the outcome thereof.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I hereunto subscribe my
name this 6th day of September , 2005.
Court Reporter in and for the County
Of Orange, State of California
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