CC - Item 2C - Minutes with Errata 09-27-05CITY CLERK'S OFFICE
CITY OF ROSEMEAD
8838 E. VALLEY BOULEVARD
ROSEMEAD, CALIFORNIA 91770
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MEMORANDUM
DATE: September 5, 2006
TO: Andrew Lazzaretto, City Manager
FROM: Nina Castruita, City Clerk
SUBJECT: City Council Minutes Errata
Attached for your consideration are minutes produced by the City Clerk's office
along with errata sheets submitted by Mayor Taylor for the following dates:
• September 27, 2005
• December 5, 2005
• July 11, 2006
After review, please forward to the City Council for consideration at the
September 12, 2006 meeting.
Thank you.
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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING
ROSEMEAD CITY COUNCIL
SEPTEMBER 27, 2005
The regular meeting of the Rosemead City Council was called to order by Mayor Imperial at
8:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers of the City Hall, 8838 E. Valley Boulevard, Rosemead,
California.
The Pledge to the Flag was led by Mayor Pro Tern Taylor.
The invocation was delivered by Councilwoman Clark.
ROLL CALL OF OFFICERS:
Present: Councilmembers Clark, Nunez, Tran, Mayor Pro Tern Taylor, and Mayor
Imperial
Absent: None
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: JUNE 14, 2005 - REGULAR MEETING
Councilwoman Clark requested that the minutes of June 14, 2005 be deferred for corrections that
she will submit to the City Clerk and asked if Juan Nunez was here at the meeting?
Donald Wagner stated no.
Councilwoman Clark stated that the correction had to do with the statement that "we campaigned
together and broke legs." My comment was "oh I broke my own leg" not someone else's. What
he was referring to was while campaigning in 1986 or 1987, when we were fighting to save
homes in Rosemead from the threat of eminent domain; I was hit by a car and broke my leg. I
wanted to clarify this in the minutes.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 13,2005 - REGULAR MEETING
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TRAN that
the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Rosemead City Council held on September 13, 2005,
be approved as submitted. Vote resulted:
Yes: Clark, Imperial, Nunez, Taylor, Tran
No: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
PRESENTATIONS: None
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1. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
Alejandro Gandara, suggested that Mr. Crowe talk to Gary Taylor and Jay Imperial to resign.
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor stated that there was no need for Mr. Crowe to talk to him.
Councilwoman Clark requested that Agenda Item V-A be moved to the front of the Agenda.
V-A CERTIFICATION OF SUFFICIENCY OF RECALL PETITIONS TO RECALL
MAYOR JAY IMPERIAL AND MAYOR PRO TEM GARY TAYLOR
The City Clerk read agenda Item V-A with recommendations.
John Brady, stated that it was a very happy and sad occasion that there is a recall. People of city
will speak and that the honorable thing for Imperial and Taylor would be to resign. Council
should not delay election.
Steven Ly, 3040 Rosemead Place, stated corruption with people who passed out recall petitions
and to not certify petitions. They lied in getting people to sign petition. Jay and Gary have
served the City for over 30 years and they have done a good job. Both have served the city well.
Fred Herrera, 3879 Delta Avenue, stated that both have served the city well. He stated that the
recall proceeding was a sham, have displayed corruption. Questioning tactics used. People
behind the recall are self-serving people, they are willing to sacrifice two good people for their
self-serving agenda. Only thing they did was to support Wal-Mart, which will bring in jobs and
money to the city, this is not grounds for recall.
Linda Kilpatrick, stated that she has lived in Rosemead for over 32 years and that she endorses
Taylor and Imperial. She stated that they care about the city, and also Councilwoman Clark.
They have tried hard to make Rosemead grow and up hold Rosemead. She stated that when she
has been to City Hall, they take care of her. She said that the recall election, Mr. Tran, will cost
the city over $100,000 and you are quoted in the paper that you want to save the City money, by
asking Mr. Imperial and Mr. Taylor to step down. Screw you. You are so arrogant and so
young, you do not know what you are asking. You open your mouth and say "let's buy
Rosemead Boulevard" because it has pot holes, and that you want your own office so you can
entertain the Asian constituents. Please, please, that's a quote.
Councilman Tran asked Ms. Kilpatrick where the quote came from?
Ms. Kilpatrick stated that she was paraphrasing.
Councilman Tran asked Ms. Kilpatrick again where that quote came from?.
Ms. Kilpatrick stated that she was sorry that she ever voted for him.
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Rosemarie Gonzalez, stated that she was in favor of the recall. She said that she was not
corrupted and she knew what they have done. Nothing. She stated that she goes down Valley
Boulevard and Rosemead Boulevard and see trash everywhere. She stated that the Council did
not listen to them. She stated that no one had paid her anything. She walked the streets and she
did not lie to anyone and that she does not lie. She asked why did we need a big store like Wal-
Mart in the City. It only added to the traffic and pollutes the City. She stated that the recall will
go on and to leave or resign now.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TRAN, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR that
the Rosemead City Council approve V-A, Certification of Sufficiency of Recall Petitions to
Recall Mayor Jay Imperial and Mayor Pro Tern Gary Taylor. Vote resulted:
Yes:
Clark, Imperial, Nunez, Taylor, Tran
No:
None
Absent:
None
Abstain:
None
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
II. PUBLIC HEARING
A. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER RECOMMENDED EXPENDITURES
OF CITIZEN'S OPTION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY (COPS) FUNDS
The staff report was presented by the City Manager.
The Mayor opened the Public Hearing for those in the audience wishing to speak for or against
this item.
They're being no one wishing to speak, the Mayor closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN CLARK
that the Rosemead City Council approve the appropriation of Citizen's Option for Public Safety
(COPS) Funds. Vote resulted:
Yes:
Clark, Imperial, Nunez, Taylor, Tran
No:
None
Absent:
None
Abstain:
None
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
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III.
LEGISLATIVE
A. RESOLUTION NO. 2005-30 - CLAIMS AND DEMANDS
The following Resolution was presented to the Council for adoption.
RESOLUTION NO. 2005-30
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD
ALLOWING CERTAIN CLAIMS AND DEMANDS IN THE SUM OF $972,124.55
NUMBERED 50446 THROUGH 50626.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN NUNEZ, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TRAN that the
Rosemead City Council adopt Resolution No. 2005-30. Vote resulted:
Yes:
Clark, Imperial, Nunez, Taylor, Tran
No:
None
Absent:
None
Abstain:
None
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
III. CONSENT CALENDAR
The City Attorney stated that there were requests to speak on Agenda Items CC-A, CC-B, CC-C
and CC-E.
CC-D RESULTS OF BID OPENING FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE
ROSEMEAD AND GARVEY POOL BUILDINGS
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN CLARK
that the Rosemead City Council approve CC-D on the Consent Calendar. Vote resulted:
Yes:
Clark, Imperial, Nunez, Taylor, Tran
No:
None
Absent:
None
Abstain:
None
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
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CC-A RESOLUTION NO. 20 05-31 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE CITY OF ROSEMEAD APPROVING SUPPLEMENTAL
AGREEMENT TO 006-M TO ADMINISTERING AGENCY-STATE
MASTER AGREEMENT NO. 07-5358
Jim Flournoy, stated that he was here to give information on this subject. He stated that he was
at the Los Angeles County Public Works office to review a design bridge on Beverly Boulevard
over the Rio Hondo River, which is a similar bridge as we have. He stated that this was a City of
Montebello/Pico Rivera project, and that the data for earthquake magnitude was wrong. He
urges Geotech to review City's bridge so won't go out to bid under structural. Caltrans has not
updated this area fault since 1996.
Councilwoman Clark asked if it was a private contractor or Caltrans who made the mistake?
Jim Flournoy stated that it was the Department of Public Works, because they were the
contractor.
Councilwoman Clark asked who determines structure for human occupancy?
Jim Flournoy stated it was the State who determines occupancy and use.
Councilwoman Clark requested the City Engineer to look into Mr. Flournoy's concerns and set
up a meeting.
City Manager Crowe stated that there are no problems to be corrected and we had a 3`d party
engineer who looked into this.
City Engineer Rukavina stated that a 3rd party engineer had reviewed the Geotech technical
report and had it certified 4 weeks ago. Acceptable forces are being used in design.
Councilman Nunez wanted to clarify the voting, weather they were going to change anything or
that they were just having a meeting to look at the gentleman's concern.
Mayor Imperial stated that a meeting would be scheduled.
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN CLARK, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR
that the Rosemead City Council adopt Resolution No. 2005-31. Vote resulted:
Yes:
Clark, Imperial, Nunez, Taylor, Tran
No:
None
Absent:
None
Abstain:
None
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
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CC-B INSTALLATION OF LEFT TURN SIGNAL PHASING ON DEL MAR
AVENUE AT GRAVES AVENUE
Elizabeth Silva, Principal of Williams School, urge to vote in favor. She stated that there were a
lot of cars speeding through there. She stated that when there was no crossing guard that she
would have to do it and that the cars were speeding and that she has almost gotten hit.
Mayor Imperial stated that if a crossing guard does not show up what is her action?
Ms. Silva stated that she would call City Hall immediately. Last year she was out there 12 times
and witnessed a number of accidents, u-turns and speeding. She stated that this was the worst
street she has seen in 23 years.
Mayor Imperial stated that the next time don't go out there, but call him.
Ms. Silva stated that she has had a good response from Milan.
Virginia Peterson, Superintendent, Garvey School District, stated that she was very concerned
with safety of children, parents and crossing guard. Very dangerous. Highcliff Avenue and left
turn arrow at Graves.
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN NUNEZ that
the Rosemead City Council approve CC-13 on the Consent Calendar. Vote resulted:
Yes:
Clark, Imperial, Nunez, Taylor, 'I'ran
No:
None
Absent:
None
Abstain:
None
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
CC-C INSTALLATION OF A TRAF FIC SIGNAL AT DEL MAR AVENUE AT
HIGHCLIFF AVENUE
Councilman Tran thanked Councilman Nunez for bringing this up and that the kid's safety is
very important.
Councilwoman Clark asked if the signal was triggered by pedestrians or cars when school is out
for the summer?
City Engineer stated that the signal was triggered by both.
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MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TAYLOR, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN NUNEZ that
the Rosemead City Council approve CC-C on the Consent Calendar. Vote resulted:
Yes: Clark, Imperial, Nunez, Taylor, Tran
No: None
Absent: None
Abstain: None
The Mayor declared said motion duly carried and so ordered.
CC-E CONSIDERATION OF REQUEST FROM CONSOLIDATED DISPOSAL
SERVICES (CDS) FOR ANNUAL COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT OF
RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL REFUSE RATES
Dolly Leong, 8455 Mission, stated that a $20 charge was on her account, it was sent to a
collection agency . There was supposed to be a $20.00 credit. She stated that it hurt her credit
and has not received the credit yet. She also asked when will City go out to bid?
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor asked Ms. Leong if staff followed through with what she requested?
Ms. Leong stated that she believed Mr. Wagner told her they would release it.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor asked who released it?
Ms. Leong stated Consolidated would release it from credit, but damage was already done.
Mayor Imperial stated that we can get an answer tonight from Mr. Fierro
Richard Fierro, CDS, stated that Donald Wagner spoke to him about 3 weeks ago regarding this
situation and stated that the $20 placed for delinquency was removed. He stated that he would
honor any amount due to her.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor asked if Mr. Fierro said that he released the lien on it?
Mr. Fierro stated yes.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor asked if it was Consolidated that put it on.?
Mr. Fierro stated that she had a number of properties that were late in payment, there was
assessment charge for late payment and that he removed the late charges from credit report.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor asked when?
Mr. Fierro stated 2 or 3 weeks ago.
Councilman Tran asked what was her request, to have that lien removed?
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Dolly Leong stated there was no lien, just sent to collections, no notice and Consolidated's staff
is rude.
Councilwoman Clark asked if she was on the lien list that the Council approved 3 months ago?
Donald Wagner stated no.
Councilman Tran asked if this is a contract extension or evergreen?
City Attorney Kress stated that is an evergreen contract with a 5-year rollover with another year
added.
Councilman Tran asked if the contract is due in April or May?
Donald Wagner stated on August I"
Councilman Tran stated so next August we will rollover to make it 5 years.
Donald Wagner stated yes.
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor, Mr. Mayor, John this is to raise it from $12.00 to $12.44.
Councilman Tran asked the question that was brought up by Ms. Leong. Are we going out to bid
for this?
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor stated that there was corrections to evergreen contract and asked if it can
be brought back?
City Manager Crowe stated that they could pull off V-B and bring back at next meeting. Stated
that it was the 3`d amendment.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor stated that he needed clarification. This is an amendment?
Mr. Crowe stated yes. This was for bulky items, recyclables and e-waste.
Councilman Nunez stated that we need a Study Session at the October I Ph meeting at 6:00 p.m.
Mr. Crowe stated that there could be a study session on October I I1h at 6:00 p.m.
Councilwoman Clark stated that there was a lot of concerns and feedback by the audience
tonight. She stated that the Bulky Item preference was good to be able to put out anything at
anytime, but couldn't understand how they would keep track of people putting out items. People
won't always call. Most people put out waste and is glad when someone else picks it up.
Councilman Nunez stated that they can discuss at Study Session.
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Councilwoman Clark stated that she wants to be able to discuss this in front of audience so they
will understand the charges and what they will need to do.
Councilman Nunez stated again that this should be done at a study session.
Richard Fierro stated that in other cities they have bulky item pick up 4 to 5 times a year with 4
to 5 items. Program is meant to get rid of bulky items. He stated that 20 pick-ups a year is good,
some cities have only one. He stated that he would like to start now. Can start notifying
residents now. One option is to not charge residents for bulky items, but charge for items left on
curb, that was not called in.
Councilman Tran stated that he would like to hold off any change until study session.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor asked how to prevent everyone from constantly putting out big items?
He stated that he was opposed to bulky item pick up until contract is settled.
Richard Fierro stated that he would wait and he would like the Council to give the City Manager
all concerns.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor read "The cost for pick up abandon bulky item would be covered by
CDS up to $1,000 a year. If you divide it up by 12 that adds up to $88 a month, times 4 weeks
equals $22, which equals to 1 '/2 bulky items. Then CDS will charge the City $17.00 per bulky
item after that.
Richard Fierro stated that is why there is a second option, that will charge all residents .72 cents
and all bulky items will be picked up.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor said that Mr. Fierro told them earlier that this was another program.
Richard Fierro stated if the Council approved today, he can start picking up bulky items in two
weeks.
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor stated that he did not want that. There would be 1,000 of items out there.
Adejandro Gandara stated that he tried to dispose of an old refrigerator. Someone came by and
wanted it for the metal. Got to be some money made in recycling. Wants to hire a company that
can make money. Why giving CDS more recycled goods and they're charging customers more.
Councilwoman Clark stated not everything is recyclable. Not everything can make money, like a
sofa.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor stated that a new 64-gallon blue recyclable container will be furnished at
$1.75.
Mr. Gandara asked why are we giving more recyclable good to CDS.
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V. MATTERS FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION
B. CONSIDERATION OF THIRD AMENDMENT TO CONSOLIDATED
DISPOSAL SERVICES (CDS) CONTRACT TO INCLUDE AUTOMATED
RECYCLING AND YEAR ROUND BULKY ITEM PICKUP
This item was deferred until the next meeting.
VI. STATUS REPORT - None
VII. MATTERS FROM OFFICIALS
A. LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES AUGMENTATIN REQUEST
Ms. Lem, 3316 Charlotte, stated that cars are being stolen, tires slashed, cars stripped, to her
family and her neighbors. She stated that they have filed many reports. She said that 95% of the
time she sees the Sheriff's cars at 7-11 and that they need additional cars in the area.
Mayor Imperial stated that she should speak to the Sheriff's tonight.
Michelle Gonzales, Willard Elementary School, stated that there is bad traffic at the school.
Stated that they have asked the City for a crosswalk. Has petition with parents concerns. She
read letter, wants meeting.
Councilman Tran stated that the concerns regarding the on-going traffic was a reasonable request
and that a meeting with the school district, staff and parents should be arranged.
Councilman Nunez stated that he has spoken with City Manager to change trash pick up day.
Councilwoman Clark stated that she wants to be sure residents are involved. Some speed bumps
are very noisy. She wants to make sure the residents on Willard know what's going on.
Councilman Tran stated that we could send letters to the residents and to get Traffic Commission
involved.
THIS SECTION WAS REQUESTED VERBATIM BY COUNCILMAN TRAN
Jean Hall stated that she has lived in Rosemead for over 50 years and she wanted what she was
about to say to be put on the record. "I feel it is my duty to notify the people of these facts, the
proof of these facts are on record and I am compelled to share with everyone in Rosemead and
concerned parties."
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Councilman Tran stated that he was aware of what she was speaking about and the matter is
between ex-wife and himself. He stated that it is a private matter and if she continues he will
seek legal action on her and he stated that it was not true. Councilman Tran also requested that
this be verbatim, will make whole entire meeting legal matter.
Mayor Pro Taylor: Mr. Mayor - I like to ask Mrs. Hall - I don't know of what kind of documents
you have, but evidently there is something in them that Mr. Tran does not want the community to
know about and I know why you feel that you must put that out, but he has said many times to us
for us to resign, to do the right thing for the community. I have nothing to hide, I have been here
for 56 years, do you want to say anything about my record, but there is something there.
Mrs. Hall: With all due respect to all everyone has said, I am here because I am not a famous
person. I do not hold a public office. I do not owe anybody or anything, but God forbid if I die
from any unnatural causes, my family will know whom to direct......
(Noise from the audience)
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor: Mrs. Hall, is what you have public documents?
Mrs. Hall: It is public record and anybody can get it.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor: Put it in the record that she believes it is public record.
Mrs. Hall: It is and I have handed a copy to the City Clerk for everyone to see what it is that I
saw.
Councilman Tran: I have discussed this with Captain Shaw and there is no truth. Private legal
matter and if you continue with this slander/accusation, I will seek legal action against you.
Mrs. Hall: Before I was rudely interrupted by the audience, if something happens to me,
unnatural cause, my family knows who to direct the authorities for questioning - so don't shoot
the messenger - I am exercising my rights stated by the first amendment that I can freely express
my option. Now ever since we had our City election last March, there has been alarming rumors
concerning our Councilman, Mr. Tran, his integrity and qualifications for serving as a Rosemead
councilman. For myself, I needed to see proof that the rumors were true and through public
access and records showed that Mr. Tran is ignoring court appearances and there is an arrest
warrant out and this alone is shocking, but there was a request also from a legal counsel asking to
be excused from Mr. Tran's case because of a bad check he gave him for legal services. Non-
payment seems to be a habit of Mr. Tran's and records show him to be behind in spousal and
child payments. This is all on public record and there is a restraining order from his wife, for
violent behavior and alleged abuse. Last weekend I e-mailed all this proof of Mr. Tran's fallacies
to the newspapers and TV stations. Now to date I have not seen anything - my questions is does
Mr. Tran have something on everyone? Should one person have that much power? Should we
feel ok by being afraid to speak? No Mr. Tran, you need to put your house in order before
wanting to clean up City Hall. Seating on the Council and pretending to be a model citizen and
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then scrutinizing your fellow Councilmember's is appalling, it does not give you the right to be
above the law. Your arrogance towards our juridical system and the order of the Supreme Court
Judge should be grounds for your removal Sir. Please Mr. Tran, put your house in order - you
come into my house, you mess it up - Rosemead deserves better leadership.
Councilman Tran: I would like to make a response to that. We have our Captain here and when I
heard about this, I asked him if there was an arrest warrant out there and he stated there wasn't.
This is not true. Again, this is a private legal matter and that is the reason why the newspapers
refused to print it because it is not true
Ron Gay: This is the type of garbage that goes on that brings down our City. Give me a break.
Deal with the issues. This is all a very well sculptured piece to do this stuff. This is garbage,
this is nonsense, let's talk about real things. Cut the mud slinging ok. This is why you folks are
in this position, it is disgusting and I am tired of it.
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor: Mr. Mayor - I hate to do this at this point, but is this a public document,
Captain Shaw?
Captain Shaw: I know of the document.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor: Is there an arrest warrant?
Captain Shaw: No arrest warrant, it is a private matter.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor: Mr. Mayor, I am going to direct the City Attorney and City Manager to
investigate to see if these are legitimate public documents.
Councilman Nunez: I think we (inaudible) personal life (inaudible) who put it in my box, how
did it get in my box, how it came to me - obviously came from the City Clerk. If we have to start
looking for stuff like that, it is really crazy. I think we made some complaints regarding some of
the votes or lack of votes or lack of direction that the Council in the past has done. I think if you
look at the votes or direction that I have done as a City Councilmember or as an Alhambra
School Board Member or Garvey School Board Member, that is fair game, scrutinize my action
as a school board member and as Councilmember. I am not perfect, I go over the speed limit
once in awhile, I get behind on something's, I am not perfect, and none of us are perfect. I think
because I am not perfect, (inaudible) my community out there tells me I'm fit and also John is fit
to serve on City Council.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor: Mr. Mayor, I have one other thing I would like to direct the City
Manager to do. Write a letter to New York, New York in Las Vegas and get their accounting
department to find out if they in fact double billed the city for charges that were made. We have
heard three times that they doubled billed us and I want them to deny it or prove it.
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Councilman Nunez: Mr. Mayor, that is fine if we are going to use the City's revenue to do this
investigation, but I would hate for you or anybody in your camp to use that in the campaign. If
the campaign wants to use that information let them go get that information, don't use taxpayer's
revenue.
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor: No No - it is official city money that was in this messy (inaudible) I'm
talking Mr. Tran, please you're famous for that, Mr. Mayor, I would ask that the City Manager
issue that letter tomorrow to clear up our accounting procedures.
Councilman Nunez: Mr. Mayor I am curious, I thought our fiscal department cleared that up.
Did they not City Manager?
Mr. Crowe: Mr. Tran provided a personal check to cover the charges in question.
Councilman Nunez: So that is what you want to go spend more money on to find that out?
Mayor Pro Taylor: Mr. Tran has stated three times in our meetings that the New York New York
Hotel has doubled billed the City.
Councilman Nunez: So that..(inaudible)
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor: I want him to write a letter, Mr. Nunez. Mr. Mayor, Jay, Mr. Mayor, we
had a couple of items that were brought up. Is that Oral Communications? I would like
something to be put on a Traffic Commission as far as approving another signal light. We put a
signal over at Del Mar and I would also like a signal at Rush Street at Rice Street. If we are
going to put a signal over there, it is fine, I sure we need it, but 1 want one on Rush Street. Want
this item on next Traffic Commission meeting.
Councilman Tran: Is this paving the way for Wal-Mart at Rush and Delta?
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor: We already have the status, and a lady came up here and asked for a
signal, you opened the door, and I feel like it is a good idea, put on agenda.
Councilman Tran: I think we should go through the channels.
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor: I am going through the channels Mr. Tran. Mr. Crowe is this proper?
Mr. Crowe: Your recommendation for this to go to the Traffic Commission would be
appropriate. We will take it in November.
Mayor Pro Tern Taylor: I would like to defer the Law Enforcement Services Augmentation
request to the next meeting.
VERBATIM SECTION ENDS
VI. STATUS REPORT -None
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VII. MATTERS FROM OFFICIALS
A. LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICE AUGMENTATION REQUEST
Mr. Crowe stated that Mr. Taylor requested that this item be deferred to the next meeting.
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor stated that he wanted it deferred because information was missing.
VIII. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
Councilmember Tran spoke on the EIR, the 24 hours and alternative sites for Wal-Mart. He also
requested that the Council get a CEQA attorney to look at revision, get objective firm. There are
flaws in the EIR. Table public hearing until CEQA Attorney can look at this objectively.
Mayor Pro Tem Taylor stated that the judge gave 90 days to state why this site was chosen. This
is not a 24-hour store. Southern California Edison owns the property, they can sell to whomever
they want. Wal-Mart has the right to buy the property, it is in a C-3 zone and can build properly
on it. Report is already done.
Councilman Tran stated that the 90 days ends December 13th, and what difference does a few
days make. He also wants on the next agenda to consider a CEQA attorney to look at this
objectively. Also wants next agenda to have recall election scheduled for January 10, 2006.
Mr. Kress stated that the election date would be on the next agenda.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
They're being no further action to be taken at this time, the meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
The next regular meeting will be held on Tuesday, October 11, 2005, at 8:00 p.m.
Respectively submitted: APPROVED
City Clerk
MAYOR
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Rosemead City Council
Regular Meeting 9-27-05
Minutes Errata
Submitted by Mayor Gary Taylor
Approve minutes of 9-13-05 (5-0)
Start at page 2 of draft minutes
Mr. Alejandro Gandara request Jay + Gary to resign from city council.
Move item 5A to front of agenda.
Major: Request to speak from John Brady.
Mr. Brady - Good evening council. This is a very happy and a very sad occasion. Happy
in that prophecy of several years ago we made unless the council acted wisely there
would be a recall. I was the first person to mention that word and I'm here to say that I'm
happy that the City Council is not going to hear any choice except to demand a recall of
Taylor Imperial. The people of this city are going to speak. The wise thing and honorable
thing to do would be for you to resign. If you do not the council should not delay any
further to make any more effort to try and delay this election. It should not go through
anymore of a sham process of the EIR or you will become a litigation matter again we
promise you your days and time are numbered. The people will speak, over one quarter
of the registered voters have said so. Demanding your removal and the people in the
room, the people in the city of Rosemead are going to see to it that removed from office.
You do not listen and therefore have disqualified yourself by being dishonorable and
finding yourselves unfit to serve.
Mayor: Steve Ly
Steven Ly- 3040 Rosemead P1.
Councilmember - Mayor
Mayor: Can you here us back there.
First go like this (hand to ear) and I'll remind the speaker - would you please. Thank you
Mr. Ly - Thank you Mr. Imperial. Okay I last came to council about 6 weeks ago
decrying the state of the City. And you know what? It continues. All I have to say is that
the recall petition, the recall drive has shown us nothing except for the fact that there is
corruption among those who made people sign those petitions. (Audience interrupted) I
ask you again please give me my right to speak. Did I yell out when you two spoke. No I
did not. Now I ask you to give me the same respect.
Mayor: That's a contrary.
Audience: not when you call us corrupt.
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Mr. Ly: Mr. Mayor and City Council. I ask you not to certify this petition because of the
tactics that were used. That where implemented when people were going to get the
signature. I wanted to share with the council and it's on record that certain people went to
my house and got my mom to sign it under false pretense. I found out that's not just in
the Asian community. But it also happened in the Spanish community. As many Spanish
people, as many Latinos and Chinese were told that the petition they signed were to clean
up the park. Give me a break. That's a lie. You know for a fact that what the petitions
were about. You know what they were targeted towards. They were targeted towards Jay
Imperial and Gary Taylor. They were not Let's not even go into how unnecessary that
this recall was to begin with. The fact is you lied, when it came to getting people to sign
those petition. You lied in the way you went about this process. You forget that even
though..?. disqualified 127 were disqualified from your petition, because you lied. The
fact is 25% of people might have signed it. And 25% of you might have submitted that.
But let's be honest. You know for a fact that 25% of people do not support this. The fact
of the matter is Jay and Gary have our support. Jay and Gary have served the city well for
over 30 years. Together they have served for over sixty years. Under their kind of good
work for the city. And you dare come up here, you dare come to my house and tell me
that what you are doing is right. You're wrong. Thank you.
Mayor: Fred Herrera.
Mr. Herrera: My name is Fred Herrera 3879- Delta. Steven stole my thunder. I was going
to say the same thing. You two guys have served the city well for many years and I hope
to god continue to do that. If the recall process were for corruption or incompetence
Which neither of you have demonstrated. You've always acted in the best interest of the
city and not for NIMBY's interest. The recall process in my opinion was a sham. I
believe the information was provided for those people to sign the petition was erroneous
and misleading. And there was a hundred + twenty five peopled that requested their name
to be removed. This petition, this recall is as worthless as the people behind their
movement. If there is anything you can do to question the validity or tactics. I strongly
suggest you do it because the people who signed this petition were misinformed and used
in order to complete the agenda of stopping Wal-Mart that the only thing you guys have
done to effect these people is support of the project to bring jobs and money to our
community. That's the only sin you have committed. That is not grounds for a recall. The
people behind the petition are self serving NIMBY's. They just don't want it in their
neighborhood. Period. And they are willing to sacrifice two loyal people who have
worked for us for years, in order to achieve their self-serving agenda there's probably
nothing you can do to stop it, I presume. It just really pissed me off that it's happening in
city. Lack of respect. Thank you.
Mayor: Thank you Fred.
City Attorney: I believe that is all the speaker requests
Mayor: We have one more: you want to speak
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Ms. Linda Kilpatrick: My name is Linda Kilpatrick, I also want to endorse Mr. Imperial
and Mr. Taylor, because I have lived here for 32 years and you have run our city well.
You care about our City. And not to forget included Margaret Clark, because all of you
have tried so hard to make Rosemead grow and be a whole Rosemead and I personally
the times I have come to City Hall with problems it has been taken care of with care. The
recall election Mr. Tran is going to cost over $100,000 dollars. You were quoted in the
newspaper, I'm sorry I don't have it with me. But to paraphrase that you want to save the
City money by asking Mr. Imperial and Mr. Taylor to have enough clan to step down.
Well, serves you. Because you are so arrogant, you are so arrogant and so young that you
don't know what you're asking. You don't know. You keep opening your mouth and
saying things like. Let's buy Rsmd Bl. Because it have pot hole's you say you want your
own office so you can entertain your Asian constituents.
Audience: interrupted
Mayor: Let's keep it down.
Audience: you shut up.
Mayor: you shut up and let her speak like we let you speak
Ms. Kilpatrick: I'm paraphrasing. I cannot
Councilmen Tran: You quoted that want to entertain Asian constituents. I was just
curious where the quote came from. I challenge you to give me that quote.
Ms. Kilpatrick: Challenge all you want it's out on the street. I'm sorry. I'm just sorry Mr.
Tran that I voted for you.
Mayor: Rosemarie Gonzales, Do you want to speak on the item. Rosemarie Gonzales
Ms. Gonzales: My name is Rosemarie Gonzales, I'm a resident of Rsmd. I'm here to talk
in favor of the recall. A lot of people say this is corruption. I'm not corrupted. I know
what you have done here and you've done nothing. You just go down Valley Bl. you see
the trash. You go down Rosemead B1. you see trash, trash everywhere and that's not a lie.
The other thing is. What you didn't listen to us. We went before the board over at
Rosemead High School. You didn't listen to us. No one has paid me anything. I walked
going up and down the streets getting signatures and I didn't lie to anybody. Many of us
worked very hard to try to do the right thing. But you didn't listen to us. You didn't take
our heat. There are three schools around there. There's convalescent homes. Yes some of
it is because of the Wal-Mart. But you didn't listen to us at all. When we said no. And we
still mean no. You have to take into consideration the children. That are going to school
around there. You have to give consideration to the elderly that live down by. I'm a
retired teacher but I still have to continue to work because I don't make enough. I have to
supplement my income and I'm here to speak for the residents of Rosemead. No, no one
lied to no one and if you worked or you took your name off, fine. But the recall goes on
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and you should leave. Both of you should leave or resign now. No one calls me a liar, a
cheat, or a thief because I work much too hard to tell the truth. I work much too hard to
teach my students to be truthful to be dedicated to their community. To work here but
how can I, the streets are so filthy! You dig up, there's pot holes all over the area. What
do we have? Strip mall, strip mall, strip mall, okay but they are meeting the peoples
needs. Why do we need a big company like Wal-Mart so they can steal from them, so
they don't pay them the wages they deserve. So they can pollute the air with all the traffic
that's going to be coming in. Many of us are not healthy. And many of us suffer from
pulmonary, asthma and things like that and more smog and more pollution is going to
help the matter. And I will tell you if you think we corrupted you and we lied to you then
you weren't really listening because we didn't try to deceive anybody we just want to do
the right thing. That Mr. Imperial and Mr. Taylor didn't do. Thank you for letting me
talk.
City Attorney: Mr. Taylor there are no further speakers request cards on this item, so you
would be ready for a motion.
Mayor: Okay.
Councilman Nunez?.. Move for approval (Item 5A)
Mayor: Is there a second
Councilman Taylor: Second.
Mayor: Would you vote ( 5.0 )
Mayor: Now we will go into the public hearing. Public hearing to considered
recommended expenditures of citizens paying for public safety cops program.
Mr. Crowe: Yes Mayor and council in 1996 the legislature approved 100 million dollars
of additional funding for local police services and in 2002 the program was renewed and
extended. This is for front line law enforcement.
Mayor: Virginia Peterson.
Ms Peterson: My name is Virginia Peterson and I am Superintendent of Garvey School
District. Liz said everything that I wanted to say. And she said it very well. We are very
concerned about the safety of the children in front of the Williams school. We've had so
many near misses of children, and parents walking their children to school and the
crossing guard as well, I can't tell you how many reports that I've heard over the years
also everytime that the motorcycle officer were there Lt. Wallace stops by to tell me how
many tickets that they have given. Ten's and ten's + ten's of tickets of tickets that they
have given for speeding in that area. It's very dangerous. So I too urge you to support the
traffic signal at the Highcliff and the left turn arrow at Gravea -----for the safety of our
children. Thank you.
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Mayor: You are welcome.
Councilman Tran: I have comments on this. My comment is to thank councilman Nunez
for bringing this to the forefront.?
Clark: I have a question. In the event that there are no cars coming from Highcliff and in
the summer if there is no school on Does the signal is it triggered by pedestrian and , or
car, or is it automatically going too...
Mr. Rukavina: It will be actuated by a pressing button
Councilman Clark: So it won't
Mr. Leong: Consolidated Disposal. When we? $20 dollars sent to the collection agency
from my credit report. I have not received that release as of yet. The damage was done. It
was since November of last year 2004, up to now we could not wait for the credit score. I
mean for the interest rate t go up or down. This was like several months, for them,
pleading with them please release this, and they did not. Even president of Consolidated
Disposal did not cooperate with resident.
Mayor: Dolly, lets get an answer right now, Mr. Richard. Mr. Fierro. Is in charge of what
we are talking about right now. Can you answer that.
Mr. Fierro: Good Evening Mr. Mayor and member of the council. Mr. Wagner did call
me approximately two weeks ago maybe 8 wks ago at different times concerning that
problem we...that this lady had with payment. The last time we discussed I was able to
talk to run credit manger. The 20 dollars that was placed; a lien was removed by us with
the credit agency. I was informed that normally the process even though we say please
remove this 20 dollar lien you know it takes a little bit of time. If there is any money due
will honor whatever amount it is.
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Fierro: Did you say you released the lien that was on it.
Mr. Fierro: Yes sir, we did.
Councilman Taylor: Was it consolidated that put the lien on
Mr. Fierro: Yes sir. It was. What happen is that In case I'm off base, please correct me
she owns a number of properties within the city and a number of the properties were late
in payment and there was an assessment to those payment. And when it was paid there
was already an assessment applied to the late charges. At the city's request we removed
those late charges from her report so as long as it's owns we made that correction
Fierro cont: not saying that we were wrong or she was wrong. But we just said remove
these late charges from her credit report. And we submitted that to the credit agency.
Councilman Taylor: when was that?
Mr. Fierro: I cannot give you and exact date. But I'm thinking maybe 2 or 3 wks ago.
Councilman Tran: when was your request to have that lien removed.
Mr. Leong: I want to clarify that Mr. Wagner there was no lien on my property. It was
sent to a collection agency. No lien that why I did not know Mr. Wagner inform the
whole city council that Dolly always paid her bill. If it was late I paid late charges on
that. There was no lien and no notice that I owe that money. What is surprising is that
there was a $19.84 cents that was due to my son was credited to another occupant at 8453
Mission Dr. That is why the credit is due to me my son is the same. Why the $20 was
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sent to the collection agency without being sent to me. Mr. Wagner you said Dolly
always paid the bill.
Mayor: is that the one on Ralph St. you don't own that anymore?
Ms. Leong: Which one
Mayor: Ralph St.
Ms. Leong: Yes I do, Now it's shifted to Ralph St. this is not true. It is 8453 Mission Dr.
Mayor: that happened one time before.
Ms. Leong: We do not owns 8453 Mission Dr. We informed the office in Nov. of 2004.
It is still sending it that I owe? Dollars on that property. That was like 7 or 8 months ago.
And you hear Ms. Barbara Murphy inform this council that disposal? That staff is very
needs. They make us wait ten minutes on the phone. Not knowing who is? That inform
me? My son.
Mr. Fierro: Mr. Mayor: I will go back to the office first thing in morning I will
communicate with Mr. Wagner that we have the right address on file and make whatever
corrections need to be made.
Mayor: And you communicate with me in case Dolly called
Councilman Clark: I have a question, so Dolly do you owe 20 dollars.
Ms. Leong: I do not owe 20 dollars. I had late fee in fine. They sent it to the collection
agency for 20 dollar without any lien.
Councilman Clark: the 19 dollars to your son was that another property
was that a different...
Ms. Leong: another occupant.
Councilman Clark: that is a different property.
Ms. Leong: Yes, 8453 Mission Dr. Same property.
Councilman Clark: Now my question now is the council gets a list of all the lien on the
properties. Maybe a couple of months ago. Was this listed on that chart?
Mr. Wagner: No, that's why when this was brought up at a council in the next. I called
Richard on it. I had a question about it too. Because she wasn't on the lien list.
Councilman Clark: So how did it get as a lien. Was that a mistake.
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Mr. Fierro: I think I misspoke when I said it was a lien, it wasn't on a lien list, it was on a
delinquency for not making actual payment. It was not on the lien list.
Councilman Clark: What's the difference.
Mr. Fierro: Well you can be delinquent say month or two and they pay. If you don't pay
the whole year then it goes on the delinquents list.
Councilman Clark: So that was a 20 dollar delinquent charge
Mr. Fierro: Yes, that is right
Taylor: Mr. Mayor, what is a little bit confusing is Ms. Leong is saying it was a 20 dollar
refund as an overpayment. And I'm hearing the other side of the coin, and it was a 20
dollar delinquency. There's two different things here.
Mr. Fierro: And that night councilman Taylor. Indeed so go back and check. It was my
understanding that it was just a 20 dollar charge. That the credit agency was charged Ms.
Leong. We went back and said do not charge her 20 dollars.
Councilman Taylor: No, you said a credit back to her. She was owed twenty dollars.
Mr. Fierro: She was owed 20 dollars we need to pay her back 20 dollars. It was my
understanding that it wasn't a money due to her. But they were going to charge her that
$20 dollars and we were going to remove that charge.
Councilman Taylor: Okay!
Mayor: I can remember this happened once before on Ralph St. and you might want to
look at the way that's listed. It seems like...
Mr. Fierro: I know that there's a number of properties and I want to make sure that we
have the correct numbers and I'll have my staff and myself work to make sure that we
have the right address. And again I apologize for inconsistence.
Mayor: is that all Dolly. Thank you Richard.
Mr. Fierro: Thank you Mr. Mayor.
Ms Leong: Thank you very much.
Mayor: Motion and a second.
Councilman Taylor: Move. I'll make the motion (Item 5B)
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Mayor: Is there a second.
Council Clark: I'll second it.
Mayor: Okay any questions.
Councilman Tran: I have a question. Is this contract also an extension of the current
contract. And is it still considered and Evergreen contract, or vote on it every yr.
Councilman Taylor: Mr Mayor if I might may. John this is raising it from 12 dollars to
12.44 cents. This is their allowed increase. The other item is down at the bottom of the
page.
Councilman Tran: is that all Gary.
Mayor: A motion and a second. Vote please.
Councilman Tran: the question was brought up by Ms. Leong is it still considered an
Evergreen contract
City Attorney: This is currently an Evergreen contract with five year notice provision.
Every year that the council does not give consolidated notice it's intent to discontinue the
contract on a five year basis and another year is added. So each year that is completed it
stays in a constant five year notice.
Councilman Tran: is that in April or May or?
Mr Wagner: I think it is August 1 st.
Councilman Tran: So next Aug 1 st it will roll over for another 5 years.
Mr Wagner: Yes sir.
Mayor: Vote Please.
Mayor: It ran seven. Matters from officials.
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor: I need to correct something. Mr Tran ask a question
about the five year contract. The Evergreen contract. And were going to bring back the
revised contract. Mr. Crowe is that correct.
Mr. Crowe: What we would like to do there are several councilmembers who asked
questions about 5B which is consideration of the third amendment to the consolidated
contract. We're going to ask that you allow us to pull that off and represent it to you at
your next council meeting. And we can discuss the options in greater detail. This is your
third amendment. Currently is considered to be Evergreen. And you would have to pull
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the trigger to and that contract if you want to you can do that at your next meeting if
that's what you want.
Mayor: Pull the trigger.
Councilman Taylor: No, I mean as far I wanted to clarify that when I was speaking to Mr.
Tran. This item is the one that we were talking about the...it's not the annual 3.7% that
they are entitled to. This is the amendment to the contract.
Mr. Crowe: Yes item 5B we are asking you to pull with the amendment which, lets say
effecunte changes to your bulky item. Pick-up program your recycling programs, the
green waste program and so on.
Councilman Taylor: So we are going to defer this and get more information on it.
Mr. Crowe: Yes.
Councilman Clark: Mr. Mayor.
Councilman Nunez: I first want to ask a question of the City Manager. I through the
direction was to have a study session.
Mr. Crowe: I would be more than happy to have it setup as a study session at the next
council meeting if that's do able at six o'clock. If that works.
Councilman Clark: Mr. Mayor, I would like to give it some input for the benefit of the
audience. Because there has been a lot of concern about trash. We heard some of it
tonight. And we seen a lot of signs clean up Rosemead. I would like to throw out some
ideas and be able to get feedback now and between that study session so that the residents
with what we finally decide. Because there are several options that we can do and I
would like the people to know what are we discussing now so that they can mail it over
and say that would work and that wouldn't work I'm willing to pay a little more for this
I'm not willing to pay and so what I want to get input on one of the proposals here. The
trash day bulky item rather than having it be the four times a year that we have now every
quarter. And we... that isn't working because every single week we get in our staff
reports the list that a couch on such and such street. A refrigerator and whatever. Because
people don't understand it or don't want to abide by it, but the proposal that you would
call in when you want something picked up I think is not workable. And the idea of 4
time pick-ups per year and you get 5 items per pick-up I can't imagine how people would
be able to keep trash. What if you wanted to put out the first four weeks in January or
clean out your yard and you want to put out 5 items every week. Then you have to
remember for the rest of the year that you can't put out anything without being charged. I
just think it is an accounting nightmare for the trash people that are picking it up. And
personally my preference right now, and I can change my mind is to have you be able to
put out anything that you want at any time. I believe that is how the City of Temple City.
You live in Temple City. Right Don
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Mr. Wagner: that's correct and still in Temple City whatever I put out they pick up, now
on our discussion with Richard Fierro. Even if we had the item .......anytime bulky item
you would still have to, correct me if I'm wrong Richard. You would still have to call
ahead and say I have a bulky item. I have three bulky items on my trash day. Just so they
would know how many trucks to send out.
Councilman Clark: The problem with that is that people aren't going to call and we are
still going to have the couch out there that's going to sit there until somebody else calls
on it. And that's what we have right now. One of the problems that Ms. Murphy has
brought up. You know. And we have got to solve it.
Mr. Wagner: Okay then we will look at that option. As for as the E-waste for the benefit
of the audience who don't know is the television and computer. Now you cannot even put
out a television that has a catode ray tube that has toxic stuff in it. But you have to call ,
this is something that I was thinking about today. You know we have this thing, the
ultimate, the best thing is to reduce and then you have recyclable. And then you have,
new recycle, what is it Bob? I forget what the 3rd one is. The best thing is for someone
else to use it. Now often I will put things out on anything given day. And I'm delighted
when they are gone because that means that some body else is using it. It is not going to
the dump. It's being used by somebody else and so what could happen if you always have
to call in is I could say I have a computer on the street and the right day it's gone because
somebody wanted it. Somebody took it for either tearing it apart. Or getting some of the
metals out. Or there going to use it at their school. So that's the best use when somebody
uses something again.
Mayor: Maggie, Mr. Nunez wants to say something.
Councilman Nunez: No. I just want, I thought those questions would be asked at a study
session.
Councilwoman Clark: But the public in not going to all show up at 6 o'clock on a study. I
would rather...
Councilman Nunez: We can have our study session out here at 7? O'clock? We have
more room than in the other room.
Councilman Clark: That's great we are not deciding tonight. But there's so much passion
out there.
Councilman Nunez: We're not going to decide on the next board mtg either. This is just
going to be a study session.
Councilman Clark: Why do you have a problem with me just giving some ideas out there
John. I want people to think about it and say I like that I don't like that. That's what we
are here for to get input.
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Councilman Nunez: I just think that you get a lot of interjection in a study session
between council members. That's when it works out better.
Councilman Clark: I'm not opposed to a study session the only reason I'm bringing this
up is I want our trash hauler to think about the concern I want the people to think about it
and be willing to pay and what they wouldn't be willing to pay. What the benefits are
and what draw backs are, I've been involve with solid waste issued for... How long have
we been involved Bob? Bob Bruesch, it's probably been 14 years. What?
Councilman Bruesch: Two hundred years
Councilman Clark: So there are important issues that I want people to be thinking about.
So that if we do have an increase in the rates you know what we are getting and why.
Councilman Clark: Richard would like to say something
Mayor: Would you state your name again, please
Richard Fierro: Mr. Mayor and members of this council R. Fierro of Consolidated
Disposal Service. I like the idea of a study session the more people involved I think the
better it will be. I just want to give you an idea of what other cities do. Other cities it is 4
time a year. It's 4-5 pick ups per customer per residence. When you call...
Councilman Clark: you mean 4 or 5 items
Mr. Fierro: Four or five items. I'm sorry. The bulky item program is meant for one thing
and one thing only. It's to help the resident get rid of a couch, a refrigerator, a washer and
a dryer, because they bought a new one they bought a new television set. It is meant to
help the dispose of and get those items recycled. It is not meant for a person that is
working out of a house on refrigerators, so that every week somebody is putting out 2 or
3 refrigerators or washers or dryers. Which happens. They have an illegal work shop
there. If a person is going to clean out their back yard, or clean out the garage we have a
service of having roll off for 3 yard bins for that particular purpose. So they can dump
everything at one time. When we do pick up, and this is just for information and I'm not
going to take a lot of time. You pick up the goods at curb side they are recycled. I want
you to know that. One of the problems we have in Rosemead are illegal E-waste being
dumped on the streets. Because there is a cost now to dispose of and get those E-waste
recycled. We're offering to the city that we pick them up. We cannot pick them up with
the same truck. We have to pick them up in a separate truck, because they cannot be
compacted. So that means a different truck and another driver to pick up the E-waste in
front of the house or the alley. Where ever it's at. If somebody calls and says there is a
computer sitting out in front of my house I didn't put it there. We don't care. We just
need the address so we can pick it up. But we do have to report an address to the state. A
lot of people think that 4 pick up a year, 5 items per pick up is not enough, it's 20 items
per year. It's more than enough, all of our cities, it will be the most.
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Fierro Continued: That we have in any one of our cities. Any other city. There are a lot of
other cities that only have one pick up a year. What I want to do I `11 give you the
information that you need. If there is a program out there that we will say pick up
everything out on the street. But we have to buy the vehicles we have tp pay the car, so
there is a cost to it. But we will pick everything within 24 hours of the day called in, or
that same day if we get called in early enough throughout the daytime. One thing I would
like to say is because of the problem with the bulky items that we have been having. I
would like to start the bulky items program in the next couple of weeks with your
permission. Which means we will put out some notices in the newspaper letting people
now about at the end of the month we will no longer have the quarterly pick ups as were
scheduled to be at the end of October. But we will implement the bulky item pick up
probably the same week of the City Council meeting or the week before. To start getting
people used to disposing of their bulky items on a weekly basis on that collection day.
And we will continue with multiple notifications in the 4 or 5 newspapers that service the
community. And also the Rosemead Chamber Community letter to let the people know
that they no longer need to wait for the quarter to get rid of their bulky items. Just sit it
out for curb side service. We do prefer that you give us a call.
Mayor: Make sure that they check Dolly's question?
Mr. Fierro: Yes, sir.
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor, I would be opposed to starting that bulk pick up item
until we get it straightened out in the contract. The reason for that is we get 2 pages every
week of items that need to be picked up. And I'm going to estimate there maybe 35 per
row. 140... (per week).
Mr. Fierro: that's why I want to start it now. So we can eliminate that.
Councilman Taylor: Well that's the tricky part. Once you start it you think we've got a
contract. But what is happening now with those 140 items theoretically that are supposed
to be picked up.
Mr. Fierro: We pick them up.
Councilman Taylor: And who pays for that?
Mr. Fierro: We do.
Councilman Taylor: You pay for that
Mr. Fierro Yes sir.
Councilman Taylor: Now...
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Mr Fierro: Of the last six months or four months that I checked there were 685 bulky
items that the City called us to pick up. Of those 685-125 of those we were able to charge
back to the customer that lived there.
Councilman Taylor: How do you charge that back to them?
Mr. Fierro: We have an address that the t.v. set or refrigerator came from, 122 Main
Street. And on their next billing there was a charge for that bulky item and the people
paid it.
Councilman Taylor: Well most of these items are out on the curb. They are setting in
front of a house which I'm assuming, you have to assume that it came form that house.
So we get a hundred and forty (140) of these a week, and you mentioned that you billed
some of these homeowners, why don't you bill all of them. 140 that you pick up from?
Mr. Fierro: We could not find an address that went with it because it is neither on the
curb, on the street, or alley. We could not find it, and we couldn't really justify it.
Councilman Taylor: Well we have an address on everyone that is picked up of 140
names.
Mr. Fierro: But the people deny that it is theirs. And we are just not going to go back and
forth. What were offering is no charge to the city, no charge to the resident. On collection
day we will pick up the bulky items -just call Consolidated. It is not going to be above
the 12.44 that would
Councilman Taylor: but it becomes 62c for every residence in the city
Mr. Fierro: That's another program councilman
Councilman Tran: I would also agree that, that I would also like to hold off on the change
on the bulky item. Do to the fact we are going to have a study session. Maybe we can...
Mr Fierro: If that is your wish, then that is what I will do, I just saying because we know,
Mr. Warner and myself it become a nightmare for us. The last 2 years. But if that is your
wish. Then we'll just have one more month to work out.
Councilman Tran: That will be setting precedent as for as having people getting use to it.
Mr. Fierro: Right and we want the people to get used to it because, one of the programs if
you will allow me one minute. One of the programs is a no charge to the residents. We
will pick up bulky items on collection day (What single? or any collection day being
identified?) That's a another program which is a charge and we will pick up any bulky
item within the city when it is called by a resident or public works. An example if we are
on Tuesday route and we're picking up from the homes on Tuesday route, when there is a
couch setting on Thursday's route. We would normally have to wait until Thursday's
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route to pick it up that same Tuesday (how?) You no longer have to wait. You no longer
have to have it sit for a week, we will pick it up when we get the call. That's the extra
charge because when we're no longer on a particular route we have to pull off that route
to go pick up those items. Whether it be a couch or mattress. It is not necessarily a
residence in Rosemead, it may be somebody driving by, maybe people from the
apartments that moved out and dumped all their stuff on the street. We're not asking any
questions. We will pick it up. We need to get paid for it. We need to buy additional
vehicles for it.
Councilman Taylor: We still need to get it cleared up, because you're saying that they
can put out trash, bulky items every week, and you have in here 11,444 same number like
that of units. Now we've got to have those 11,000 people understand that you can't put it
out every week at every house, because how do we tell them, you have to call every time.
How do we resolve that. We're going to have 10 times as much bulky items because
people will think, boy we got a good deal here, and then, then all of a sudden we've got
hundreds if not thousands of bulky items by the end of the month. From there 11,000
homes that are picked up, 4 times. That's 45,000. ( a month)
Mr. Fierro: That's why we want to put it in the newspaper, but again. I would head to
your suggestion and wait because? It's tough enough to have.
Councilman Taylor: Here's stickler on this, I want to read their sentence to you. " the cost
of picking up the abandoned bulky items would be covered by CDS up to an annual
amount or cost of $1,000 dollars." you take $1,000 and divide that by 12 months, that is
88 dollars a month. You take 88 dollars and you divide that by 4. That is 22 dollars a
week. That is one and a half bulky item that can be picked up. And we just talked about
11,400 people. And we are only allowed 1.5 pickups. Then you start charging the city,
how much. $17 dollars for each one.
Mr. Fierro: Yes
Councilman Taylor: Now just put that in (perspective) what happened to the 45,000
people.
Mr. Fierro: That's why we have the second option of the 62 cents per resident. And it
gets paid by all residents and all bulky items are picked up.
Councilman Taylor: Now you just brought that back into the picture. When I brought
that up a while ago, I was told, no that's another program.
Mr. Fierro: Let me go back, we're trying to rush this thing okay.
Councilman Taylor: That's why we are going to have a study session. And I don't want
you to start picking them up (bulky items).
Councilman Clark: I want to hear it.
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Mr. Fierro: Right now, what you approve today if you allow me I can start to have the
bulk items picked up in 2 weeks.
Councilman Taylor: And I don't want that.
Mr. Fierro: Okay
Councilman Taylor: Because we don't have it actually, logistically figured out how it is
going to be. There's thousands of pieces that are going to be out there. These 11,000
residents are going to be thoroughly confused when they can put it out and they have to
make a call it's just not down pat yet.
Mr. Fierro: I understand, and that was one of my suggestions that staff, anyway we will
wait until the study session. And I will work with you, and come prepare. If you would, if
it is possible if you work with the City Manager and get all you questions so that I can
field them and when I came to the study session prepare to answer those questions
Councilman Taylor: Thank You.
Councilman Clark: I personally would like, oh, I'm sorry
Alejandro Gandara: Can the audience speak.
Councilman Clark: I would like to have the audience speak.
Mr. Gandara: I hate to add more time to this. Just today it happened that I had a
refrigerator that I wanted to get rid of. I had a new one sitting in my driveway and I called
this company because I couldn't remember the time they told me that it would be next
month. Well, I was not going to have it sit there for another month. So I was referred
when I said well what do I do if I don't want it there because there would be a cost. He
referred me to another number that I called and it would cost me another 80 something
dollars for them to come and take that. And I had already made another phone call to
somebody that I bought the refrigerator from, what do you do with your old one? He said,
I have a guy and he will call you later. I would just make the other phone call. So I was
going to wait for this phone to ring. And have it picked up, when somebody came to my
house and asked if they can take it. Now let me tell you it sounds like there is no money
in trash. There has got to be money in trash because this guy practically fell over himself
wanting it because of the metal it's worth. So if it's worth something why am I going to
get charged more from this company for picking up a refrigerator there has got to be
money in recycling.
Gandara: So you want to tell me we are going to give them more things that they can
recycle to get money from, but they want to then charge us more money while they
certainly, unless your making no money, you're saying it is a service, it's a favor to us.
That's great, gosh I wish more companies had that to say to me. But there has got to be a
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profit that somebody's making off this if this guy came and ask me if he could do it.
There's money being made in this recycling. And if not. We need to find a company that
knows how to make money off of recycling and that needs to be looked into. I had trash
for recycling and when it came to all the greens there was one piece of paper, one of the
trash picker would come and recycle my plastics put inside the can and the person who's
supposed to pick-up the greens wouldn't touch the cans because and they which stayed
all week because there was one thing on the top the first time that's not the first time.
We're talking about a company that needs a little bit of talking to a little bit of dealing
with and there should be somebody else that you talk to and deal with. I have a small
thing to recycle it's ridiculous. It's always full, it's falling over. If we're really serious
about recycling let's get serious instead of pretending. Let's get some bigger things out to
us so we can really recycle and let's hire a company that knows how to make money off
of recycling. Instead of passing the money to us to have to pay for a service...
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor, Mr Alejandro there is part of the proposal to put in a 64
gallon blue recyclable container.
Mr. Gandara: I'm glad to hear that
Councilman Taylor: And that's going to be a dollar fifty, what is it, a dollar seventy five
additional. For that bigger tin and it's probably worth it because the little colorr are
very...
Mr. Gandara: it maybe worth it. Again my point is we're giving them more to recycle and
they want to charge us more. And now we're going to recycle more instead of throwing it
into the regular garbage can because it doesn't so why are we giving them more
recycle goods. Is there not money to recycling. People recycle all the time. They are
coming down my street. So why are we giving the more recycling goods and why is the
cost to show that we are doing a greater job. They are getting more profit. Somebody
needs to look into that. It doesn't make sense to me.
Councilman Clark: Mr Mayor if I could just comment. Just to clarify there are mixed... a
lot of this stuff is put out, like an old couch. There is no money in that. So it's a balance
Mr. Gandara: Yes I understand that every things not good but there certainly is money in
the plastics. So we are going to give them more and they are charging us for a bigger
container.
Gandara: Does that make sense. It doesn't we need to do to make more sense.
- end of discussion-
Next speaker: Ariana Leon 3316 Charlotte Ave. Problem with law enforcement. Does
not see any care patroling. 5 cars stolen on her street. Sees 3 sheriff's cars at 7/11 on San
Gabriel B1.+ Hellman. Wants more patrolling.
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Next speaker: Michelle Gonzales to speak on traffic at Willard school. Called city hall
about crosswalks, called the sheriff. Has petitions of complaints to give to city. She read
petition.
Trail comments follow-
Nunez comments
Maggie
Next speaker: Jean Hall. Good evening honorable Mayor and councilmembers. My name
is Jean Hall. And I've been around here for about 50 years. And I'm here before you, for
what I'm about to say will be put on record. I feel that it is my duty to notify the public
about three facts. The proof of these fact are also on public record. And I am compelled
to share them with all of Rosemead. And all the other concerned parties.
Mr. Tran: Mrs. Hall before you continue I understand that what you are about to read
and I will inform you the matter is a confidential legal matter between my ex-wife and
myself, my attorney and the courts. Therefore the 1st amendment rights does not protect
any slanderous and libel suits on nay misrepresentation of this and I have notified my
attorney about this and put it in writing and if you continue with this I will seek legal
action towards you on this matter. So I will advise you at this point in time. It is not true.
Mayor: are you... what's
Mr. Tran: I will. I want to clarify, and also want to add that the City Clerk will make
these minutes verbatim, so that's also on record. The whole entire meeting.
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor;
Councilman Tran: For the whole entire meeting.
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor
Mayor: Yes-
Councilman Taylor: I would like to ask Mrs. Hall that I don't know what you have as for
as documentation of what you have to say. But, evidently there is something in there that
Mr. Tran does not want the community to know. He does not want anybody to see it and I
know why you must feel you have to put that out. But he's called for us many times to
resign. Do the good thing for the community. I have nothing to hide I've been here since,
56 yrs here. Nothing to hide. Is there anything that you want to say about my record
that... there's something there that...
Mrs. Hall: All due respect to all that anyone has said. The warnings and everything. I am
here because I am not a famous person. I do not hold a public office. I do now owe
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anybody or anything. God forbid. If I die from any unnatural causes. My family will
know who to direct...
(some audiences moan and laugh)
Councilman Taylor: Mrs. Hall, is what you have public documents?
Mrs. Hall: it is public record and anybody can get it.
Councilman Taylor: Okay. Just put that in the record that you believe it is public
information.
Ms. Hall: It is and I have handed the city clerk. A copy for everyone ( ? How many) to
see what it is that I saw.
Councilman Tran: I will also let you know that I did discuss this with Captain Shaw.
There is no truth in it. So I'm warning you in this point in time that it is a private legal
matter between myself and my ex-wife therefore if you continue again I will continue
with legal action that my attorney is aware of this.
Mayor: Is that a threat? (Missing sentence)
Mrs. Hall: As I said before I was so rudely interrupted by the audience.
I ...if something does happen to me other than natural causes, my family will know who
to direct the authorities to for questioning. So don't shoot the messenger I'm exercising
my rights stated in the first amendment that I can freely express my opinion. (missing
sentence)
Councilman Tran: Just state the facts on this.
Mrs. Hall: Now ever since we had our city council election last March, there has been
alarming rumors regarding our councilman Mr. Tran. His integrity his qualifications
serving on the Rosemead City Council. As for myself, I needed to see proof that rumor
was true. And thru public access and records show that Mr. Tran is ignoring court
appearances. And there is an arrest warrant out. And this alone is shocking. But there was
a request from a legal council asking to be excused from Mr. Tran's case. Because of a
bad check he gave for legal services. Now non-payment seems to be a habit of Mr. Tran.
The record shows him to behind in spousal payment. As well as child support. Now this
is all public record. There is a restraining order from his wife and has been granted for his
exebition of his violent behavior and alleged abuse. Last weekend I e-mailed (?9-23-05?)
All of this proof of Mr. Tran's fallacies to the newspapers and TV stations. Now, to date I
have not seen anything. My question is Mr. Tran has something on everyone. Should one
person have that much power? Should we feel okay like being afraid to speak? No Mr.
Tran. You need to put your house in order before wanting to clean up city hall. Sitting on
the council while pretending to be a model citizen, then scrutinizing your fellow council
members is appalling it doesn't give you the right to be above the law. You're arrogant
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toward our judicial system and the order of the superior court judge should be grounds
for your removal sir. Please Mr. Tran put you house in order. You come into my house
and mess it up. Rosemead deserves better leadership.
Mr. Tran: I would like to make a response to that, and so, if I may. We have our captain
here and I even brought it to his attention when I found out about this. I ask him if there
was an arrest warrant out there. There is not an arrest warrant. And this is not true. Again
this is a private legal matter and that's that reason why the newspaper refused to print it.
Because it is not true.
Audience: If there was an arrested warrant out there the captain would be there to arrest
you.
Ron Gay: I just wanted to say a few words
Ron Gay: 4106 Encinita Ave., Folks this is the kind of garbage that goes on and brings
down our city. Okay give me a break this is all a very well sculpted piece for you folks to
do. This is garbage. This is nonsense. Let's talk about real things. Real things. Cut the
mud slinging. Okay. This is why you folks are in this position. And it is really disgusting,
I'm tired of it.
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor. I hate to do this at this point. I have to ask Capt. Shaw,
is it a public document? Do you know about this incident.
Capt Shaw: I know of the docwnent.
Councilman Taylor: Is it an arrest warrant?
Capt Shaw: No,
Councilman Taylor: Capt. Shaw, you answered the question and that's fine. You made
that point. I appreciate that.
Gay: It has been answered.
Councilman Taylor: I'm going to direct the city attorney and the city manager to
investigate these documents if they are legitimate public documents and what they are...
haven't seen them.
(some audience boo + heckle)
Mayor: Wait, wait. Now, come on now. Let's here what they have to say.
(Audience, Brady, nobody has heard anything audience shouting)
Audience- Brady - Save your breath for the recall campaign.
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Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor I did ask a question to direct them TO SEE
these are public records. Mr. Mayor are there any other speakers on there?
Mayor: I don't think so. Is that all the speakers?
Councilman Nunez: I think that, when we start looking at personal lives (the way we do)
because I saw this and it got ugly and somebody put it in my maildrop. Is how it came to
me so it obviously came trough the city clerk.
City Clerk: I put it in a box.
Councilman Nunez: Okay but you know, these are, you know, if we have looking for
stuff like that you know, it's really crazy when you start looking at that. I think we've
made some complaints about some of the votes are maybe that lack of votes or lack of
direction. That this city council in the past has done? I think that if you look at votes for
directions that I've done as a city council member or on the Alhambra school board
member or as the Garvey school Board member, as a city council member. You know
once in a while I go over the speed limit. I get behind on some stuff time to time. I'm not
perfect and none of us are perfect. The fact that I'm not perfect and I'm about my
community out there tells me that I am fit and also that John is too, serve on the city
council. Thank You.
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor:
Mayor: yes.
Councilman Taylor: There is an other thing that I would like to direct the city manager to
do, I would like him to right a letter to the hotel New York, New York in Las Vegas and
specifically get their accounting dept. to find out if they in fact have been double billing
our city for charges that were made, and we heard 3 times that they double billed us and I
want them to deny it or prove it.
Councilman Nunez: Mr. Mayor that would be fine if we didn't use city revenue to go out
there and do an investigation like that. That would be fine as long or I would hate for you
or anybody in your camp to use that as a campaign. Because you know what is the
campaigns out there want to use that information let then go get that information. We
should not use tax revenue .
Councilman Taylor: No, it's official city money that was in this messy deal.
Councilman Nunez: We got it back
Councilman Taylor: So
Councilman Tran: City Manager
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Councilman Taylor: Mr. Tran. I'm talking Mr. Tran. Please, you famous at that, but I
would ask the city manager to issue that letter tomorrow. To clean up our accounting
procedures
Audience: Mr. Brady: you're spending our money to do something which is a personal
matter of yours
Councilman Taylor: No, No. This is to claim how the receipts came in to city hall.
Mr. Gandara: Is money missing
Councilman Taylor: No, we're trying to cover that up to. Mr. Tran ...we're going to
verify that
Mayor: One at a time please.
Councilman Nunez: I thought that our fiscal dept. already cleared that up. Did they not,
City manager
Mr. Crowe: Mr. Tran provided his personal check to cover the charges in question.
Councilman Nunez: So that is what you want to go spend money on
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Tran has stated 3 times at our meetings that New York, New
York has doubled billed the city. He said that 3 different meetings
Councilman Nunez: So you want us to spend that money.
Councilman Taylor: I want to write a letter Mr. Nunez
Audience: Mr. Brady: That cost money and time-
Councilman Taylor: Ok, Mr. Brady.
Mr. Brady: yeah, you go like that. You don't have much longer to do that. You're out of
here, you too Imperial.
Mayor: Listen,
Mr. Brady: don't point your finger at me.
Mayor: I'll point when I want to
Mr. Brady: you don't even know the word..?
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor.
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Mayor: Don't tell me.
Councilman Taylor: Jay, come on Jay. Mr. Mayor we've had a couple of items brought
up. Was that your oral communications.
Councilman Taylor: I would like something put on the traffic commission. As for
approving another signal light. Now we put a signal over on Del Mar. I would also like to
put on their agenda signal down on Rush St. at Rice St. ( at angelus ave.). if we're going
to put a signal over there it's fine. It sounds like we need it. But I would like to have a
signal put down on Rush St. So I would like that on next traffic commission agenda.
Councilman Tran: is this paving the way for Wal-Mart. Is that on Delta and Rush
Councilman Taylor: We've already got the statistics all that's been going on. There was a
lady that came up here and ask for a signal. Now you open the door and I think it's a
good idea. So I'm asking that it be put on their agenda.
Councilman Tran: I think it should go thru the channel as...
Councilman Taylor: I just suggested the channels. Mr. Tran. Is this proper Mr. Crowe.
Audience: Mr. Brady: Why don't you go thru the traffic commission.
Councilman Taylor: It's going thru the traffic commission Mr. Mayor I would like to
defer this law enforcement to the next mtg.
Mayor: Matters from officials.
Councilman Taylor: Defer because we're missing some information.
Matters from officials:
Councilman Tran: regarding the public hearing on the EIR that was going to be on
DecI3th. I thought that given the fact that our city attorney has retired and he is retiring
effective Dec 1 st. With the letter given to all us council members and given the facts
there were comments that were... the orders... the judge asked Wal-Mart to do. And in
order for us to have an objective look at these 2 items for 24 hours (store ) and the
alternate sites again I am requesting that we did get a different set of eyes to look at this
and which is a CEQA attorney specialist, who deals with these two items. Involved in
EIR I don't think that what I have read is on appropriate revised EIR for the Wal-Mart
developers... and in order for us to get an objective one. Let's go out there and get some
one who is objective who specializes in CEQA. And do it the right way this time. We
worked given the EIR in the state text. You know this is a perfect EIR, and it's going to
work. How ever we had some flaws in it. There's 2 items in it that the judge has
Aborted) so I am requesting that we put this public hearing ...Actually table this public
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hearing and not have it on December the 13th until we find a CEQA attorney who is
going to look at the EIR objectively. As we all are as residents can have a fair shot at
analyzing this?
Mayor: have you got a name for an attorney?
Councilman Nunez: We can look at one
Mayor: You gave a name one time before. I checked it and I didn't like it.
Councilman Tran: then it would suggest perhaps maybe then the city manager we could
actually get 3 city attorneys to come here to revise
The CEQA objectively and the staff to look at this and come back to us and give us
somebody will look at this. You know this public hearing on Dec, 13th. We are not going
to have our city attorney, he retires Dec 1 st.
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Tran, Mr Wallin is the city attorney handling the EIR process
and we are not going to stop it. We're going on the records as the state law requires. The
attorney the judge excuse me, the lawyer said you have 90 days to tell why we chose that
site. And as for as the 24 hours store goes that is a moot issue. The judge has accepted the
fact that Wal-Mart is not going to have a 24 hour store. The judge said go back and
correct the EIR and tell us why we chose that site because Edison has a piece of property
to sell. Wal-Mart has this right to buy that piece of property it's zoned C-3 commercial
for them, to build on it. And that is what the judge wants us to explain
Councilman Taylor: We already did it. It's all in the 5,000 page report. We have the
original EIR and we're not going to stop it.
Councilman Tran: And Dec 13th will eclipse the 90 days that the judge had ask us for. So
what's a few extra days.
Councilman Taylor: It ain't going to work John.
Councilman Tran: But to get and objective of a CEQA attorney to look at this.
Councilman Taylor: It ain't going to work John.
City attorney: Well, this is a non- agenda item for this evening.
Councilman Tran: I am requesting on the next agenda item. That we would consider
looking at getting a CEQA specialist to look at this EIR objectively
Councilman Taylor: Is that all that we have Mr. Mayor
Mayor: As far as I know.
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Councilman Tran: And the other thing was I know that Nancy had given us back the
material on the recall. And so it says here Jan 10 to Feb 13th. I would like to have placed
on the agenda that we have the election on Jan 10th, 2006. The recall election.
Councilman Taylor: Put it on.
City attorney: You next agenda will have the necessary resolutions to call this election.
The council at that time will decide the date.
Councilman Tran: I am requesting that the date be put on
City attorney: As I said that will be the decision of the council at the next mtg.
City attorney: you can select a date. Everybody can select a date. It's who ever you know,
the 3 members of the council can vote on the date of the election at this next mtg.
Councilman Tran: I'm sorry. I did ask for it and then Mr. Taylor said put it on. So.
Councilman Taylor: I have no problem with it John. It is going to be a 3 to 2 vote. It's
obvious you're just stalling for time.
(Audience: Mr. Brady:) Who's stalling here. Why can't you just decide the date. The
people said they want an election. Why can't you just pick the earliest possible date. And
get it over with.
Mayor: Why don't you sit there and let us
Councilman Taylor: Mr. Mayor
(Brady and audience unruly + shouting)
Mayor: This meeting is adjourned.
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